regardless of the outcome, the conflict between russia and your brain will for years remain and open the war between people once considered themselves, brothers and wild threats recital. strife is all the history, the confrontation over your brain may have given rise to a totally new phenomenon of instrumental eyes and cultivated he tripped who doesn't serve or discuss it. i'm now joined, but come off crowds, professor of russian history, the unfortunate romping diversity of sciences in budapest. that'll go to christ. thank you very much for your time. i appreciate the opportunity to talk to you. hello. you have been researching russian and soviet history for a long time, and you've also analyze it from the perspective of russia's relations, was the west point with the perception of russians as bloodthirsty barbarians isn't a new idea. is it is done. this is an old idea. yes, mainly you want to pinpoint the historical or it's a for it's

a phobia will be x because i don't know you have to go back to the 16th century just not just, not still movies and stuff. but in that was the time when russia became, in a way arrival to britain that was back than the british empire at depth of a big deal. seed up by scenes that period we have seen or rissa phobic emerged time and again, taking new forms and serving new goals seek at the but invariably it had to do with the competition in the global arena, says great powers confronted his shoulder and thoughtful, all sorts of advantageous positions some the global scene. ready overseas by his professor crash, as far as i understand, any anthropologist will tell you that this kind of fair and immunization of the

other tribe is a natural phenomenon that historically, humans have always thought over. so says, territories and power. don't you say that given russia size and influence yet it's essentially inevitable for somebody to fairbetter. imagine what you mean. i mean, and the same goes for cynthia, america, phobia, et cetera. i mean, bustle is b as good as the idiot us, of course sold is different, though bears have existed and will continue to exist. but we must always look for the powers that promote this phobia. as you did you for scott course, celia, we must see how much not by hate the people of a given country or region experience, how fearlessly they are attacked. bush's because most of these phobias be, are not at all a grassroots phenomenon. not be made yet. for example, i was in berlin a few days ago and i did not see any anti russian sentiment. when i talk to the

people, yet nobody harassed russian speakers. i don't valley that it shut. yeah. although we know from other german de bans, ministry reports again that there have been several 100 incidence arrows, including attacks and monuments and statues, et cetera. they did lonia, let i. but this isn't to popular movement. yes, yes, there are no park room. so it's nothing like what happened during the anti semitic pogroms, big images, and a sour a mean. this is a kind of hate that have different routes, so phobia rissa pho, bears an organized top down phenomenon. and it has always been that way. i know even yesterday, who yeah, yeah, i understand what you're saying is that from natural prejudice, which is inherent in whole nations. for me, she just,

mr. selby is now being deliberately and purposefully transformed into to, for cheating specific goals in your company. up with me. yes, this new type of bruce, of phobia by his part of the war and ukraine, you might, it's a means to insure a cohesion within the collective west who influence the population landing over the role of the media is critical. you know me any catches did channels like cnn, bbc, it sat right on one to name all of them. it's all on there for to demonize russia. we can see every minute of every day. this easy, i was planning to please, sir, if i understand you correctly. and your argument is that some of the best progress, if mindfully i see you must have decided to exploit humanities massey primitive instinct. i'm sure you're good at why, what is there an game?

he thought i would say comcast, i need to see a bit em ugly, loosely you laugh me gave an example for the audience and i did get the lizzie that be made. yes, you will. in the e. u, there is a top official in charge of foreign affairs by the name of joseph burrell. meely bought it o m o m o, he is anti rushing to the core and doesn't even deny it. and he, sad that russia must be defeated because on the battlefield. my boy b to b. stone hort, what is his agenda? why does he talk such nonsense? he sunday, he is a man of tremendous responsibility approach. what are we even talking about today? a few days after i heard him say that it, dawn on me why i was determined woman in her forties or fifties speak to show on z d f and major sherman t, the channel david bro, grandma and i was yes,

she was from a younger generation not the hitler youth generation. ah, julia gun know what she sad was so baffling. please. i even remember her last name. it was gal, go your amelia does you? i was amazed that a sentiment like that could be expressed in the very heart of europe. if you ever open, i'm not going to be, she spoke in favor of pumping ukraine with heavy weaponry. and her argument was that we should find the russians because they are a talking or a liberal and post modern way of life. you know a lot you so this woman, another way you chairman citizen, once germany to fight russia in the name of european valley is national lead. that was nice. we would have a professor kress,

my understanding is that this special has more than just a political dimension. it has also expanded into the realm of culture only nobody wants or yes, this is don, an order to serve cultural supremacy over russia. that's why i gave you the example about chairman women. this line of argument is simply baffling for intellectuals to revert to some sort of racist or nazi. thea, rising to cultural racism, it is, i'm think about there is a massive risk for russia here as well. if it fails to handle these developments properly, just not that i'm very worried about rush his response. we must not go back to the 940 or 950 is back to the sabi at anti cuss. my politan campaign, which was me, me got some, i mean, i think it's an important thing to understand that under the banner fighting russia, russia, cultural heritage,

including the heritage of the 19th or early 20th century, is getting essentially cancelling it not for much of it, but there are plenty of examples of this kind of it is happening. what could you tell us? which one shot to the most of the thought of lead solely that it was the 3rd tab in the face of liberalism. it charged me to see that it exists, but it's got to say, i have a position and it's not the official position of the youth. for example, natalie word though i expressed that position. the brewster. not any fear. the voices advanced somewhere on the fringes. if i want to say i want the truth, i send for diplomacy in peace. this is a very simple position, but where can i make my boys heard her? say you didn't have access to the media. you was, it was just, you want find this sort of have been ins, expressed anywhere in the media, notting,

germany or not, and call and let them know, you know, but i know what people actually think. i've been to many european countries lately . people don't want war, they believe in pace. they are against pumping ukraine with arms because these cannot be achieved that way. miss the miss the meta mask, but instead of payson negotiations, we've got crusoe phobia, or ukraine, a phobia level. it works almost the same way on the other side. yeah, i mean, is it less noisy? i'll have to disagree with you here. because i do not see this anti ukraine sentiment in russia, in part because we all have family in ukraine. any guys nicholas? no, there is no ukraine of phobia in russia every night, no matter what the media says, we call our relatives to check how they're doing as a jesus. we worry about them all the time. so if someone says this was easy on the russian people that to lie when we realized this is

a heavy bad and i would even say great sin and some day we will have to pay for it starting up and get the blessing. noah. bob, ross, don't thought, but the thing is, the way i see it is that the west left russia, no other choice, look at the traps to do it. there are at least 4 actors involved rocha. i've already talked about the authoritarian phase of liberalism. they claim that russia alone is responsible for the war that the conflict again and sampling great $24.00 didn't double the war, started way before at that time, a historian. so i analyzed phenomena from a historical perspective. they give you most ad though he's more began, it made it, we operate the collapse of the soviet union delete the idea of breaking the russia part. was a concept in the 3 merged in the early 1998 in the works of

a speak nap. but it's in schema, who was a security adviser to several us presidents. but you know, i just seems then nato has been expanding eastward and all the way, at least now we are witnessing the backlash. what's new? i think there is something to this conflict we haven't seen before. was the confrontation between russia and the west had indeed gone a long time ago way before the 24th of february 2022. we have never seen any attempts to bend chikavsky or just the scans who now go that with me, you may have heard the story about the 200 year old oak tree in the to get if museum, which was banned from participating in the european tree of the year contest in order to exclude russia, organic tree that we've done with, you know, i mean this is marana. beta wanted their oars, there's some kind of deeper meaning here. is there an underlying purpose, or are people just losing their minds when someone is come to leave?

the goal is to control the population, the public opinion in many, into ready cade all or give us more. ganeth o g has no right to exist in the west. people will want to know why you me a problem. up i did explain this or told russians are evil. people said they should be punish lee you are you still neither you nor seal but in they keep appealing to the sand. so hopefully conscience to the ideal punishment saw it. they keep trying to implant and to people's minds. the idea that russians are some kind of barbarian enlist either for european values must be to bandit in you train. that's why they pretend that ukraine is

a democracy. they can using these concepts as to what you see while there are a number of democratic countries in eastern europe. does the majority, are authoritarian regimes. tony dungy, it is she who all and for example or the baltic states get national a of in my own country. mike, you know what? it is very important that is offered the collapse of the ussr. we pacified our ideology, little saying that we follow the same development path as europe, younger, obisky butchered as weak base is simply impossible. you cannot build a board, you. i democracy without a pro democracy middle class will just do this really is going to build democracy. then i thought it would be all the guards said without any culture from scratch. dory, what they did was concentrate all economic power in their hands through privatization . nothing more yet we hear all these nonsense about european culture. well,

professor cross, we have to take a very short break right now, but we will be back in just a few moments. a chin, ah ha ah, a with only one main thing is important for naziism, internationally speaking to that is that nation's presence allowed to do anything. all the mazda races. the reason you wish had gemini, is so dangerous, is it?

the law is the sovereignty of all the country wars business and business is good and that is the reality of what we're facing, which is fashion ah with mm. welcome back to world support with the mass krause, professor of russian history at the, at fortunately around the university of sciences in budapest, he's a professor,

i li, you mentioned the idea of appealing to people's consciences because it seems to me that the whole month of russian culture is its complexity and absolute walker would go to a lot of it appeals directly to the human. so it's not the only culture to do that, but that is suddenly it's distinctive feature in this one because it's a store. would you agree that these attempts to cancel tchaikovsky to kenneth and dostoevsky are intended to keep western away from russian culture? a good idea of miss lee, i thought was the little sticker underneath you like that, the shortest, so that it can not touch there. so is, and let them see through they have not only the rest, the phobia, but also the entire catholic system. this is a boy that basically squeezes the live out of people come in somewhat favoring to humanizes us. with that, i'm not going to, i mean they're not be me a good day. for example, as that german woman was talking old. that nonsense sort of saw the prism for olsen made

a point is just the sad that one cannot think ignore their deep and breach russian culture. already got dora, which represents the panic, whole of human achievement. i believe you're good. yeah. so you have to admit that because everyone knows that store at that. so the harm is not as great as we might hear me. people won't be filled. they. cecily didn't like the west as over doing it . why some in the west are being over zealous in the way. they carry out the orders from washington and brussels. yeah, you have it among the intellectual elite side and see any one trying to directly target russian culture grow. man, you get to hear some main at wish to have conflicts with the russians scholars and you might, you know, to my, i mean, you could just, some may refuse to chris palmed with russian and black shoals, et cetera. doesn't you there? but the hatred asthma dodson goes so deep as to warrant

a ban on tchaikovsky. org tolstoy, a law. and then i don't the old bad kind of sentiment just yet. but i called the number but stolen does. yes, but you might enter. so did you know the judge yet your school? you mean, it seems to me there's something home, a superstitious or richer lift pick a bag of movement to cancel russia. so that means you may remember the incident in sweden when a concert in support of ukraine was cancelled after the swedish musicians found out the bell alike. cuz they were supposed to play were made in russia. like as good counsel crazies that this is magical thinking in its purest form. they think they are found how helping the ukrainians by doing whole lives, with all these rusito beer can a russian, bela like her, the ukrainians in any way. shape. we get a bit of a hope that the superstitious approach will help generate more support. more

emotional solidarity with the cranium. refugees, give me by sad snap true. we have been helping the cranium refugees since day one. we are helping them to the russians are helping miss jackie. but people of all political views, all sorts of people are helping yes. yes, we either needed some money to so all the hate against russians comes from the top of the move on to that more, but maybe it's just the way i see it. but there has been a lot of mystical messaging in the dollar. but when the kremlin and the white house, when you got senior, took him norman bill, and for example, both payton and biden bring up god and all that also biden said some time ago that couldn't had no soul, which was quite a strong statement because we really do think that this conflict when russia in the west is defined merely by the struggle for geopolitical influence,

resources is the right to decide for the nation. so robert sides of the game will be, or is it also a spiritual battle of some sort as well? yes, just these things do not exist separately, but it's very chilled the political envy, konami aspects all work together. but yeah, there is a global conflict going on in the us and the collective west one to restore there had gemini in the world even these up. but what you need to do is they need to demonize each enemy the pose us in a real trap, like china, india, et cetera. most indeed are in new factories, some of the global scene, and nobody really understands them. well. this is all about and new world order. well, you say nobody understands them, but i think in russia at least, i think i do understand them when you get it. who wants the motions?

you know, have a certain inclination for mysticism certainly, but so do the americans sports weapons with sure we are really close in this regard . we'll believe we're the chosen people search me and i'll give an example. cravett bon biden often denounces president putin to nap or speaks bad by the way. and biden is on a mission to fight russian all the garbage yet, bro, he isn't fighting against capitalism. like, i do know he's targeting russian oligarchs. why isn't he fighting american? all the guards, what's the difference? a budget or washing oligarch, sorry. bad american oligarchs are good guys, keowee god, he's got us. she. and please as mr. c, as in its purest form. miss me, how can one believe is your right? one can tip one as a racial person. i usually go, it's

a matter of faith. you bring him nathan, me up, but i, i was struck by russian soldiers paintings that under the coastal sky. assassination. slattich latin meaning the us there ever watching the image that a finance can look like i thought i had my chat z m lucas place other meanings were a land nation. when people die that i'm not, not a what a by that it even denotes the human body in its entirety. i was, he will not here. i had them would say for russians sits and next essential spiritual battle. look on what about the west? when you might think, does it understand it's not just about ukraine, that is much more than that. as a boy. it will walk aviation. i thought i should just but i for you. i be a rush. you're going to ship is delayed. you not all the, you see the people at large haven't internalize this yet. only some might understand the meaning called this letter. go dog bud wilson. power

a hey this latter is key lee. the they are trying to ban it. can you believe this little bit die? you're not east banning a ladder a place shine. how is it possible? is that going to show this is the civilized world, so to say the west campaigning against the latter doesn't, but you book who was a issue. there is a joke saying it's not a z landscape but your landscape crazy. so mostly you asked why does it that has shocked me the most grassy these has. yeah. but as the look it's about us. no, i guess a professor crass there might be some deep meaning to this out, you know, a lot of romanian philosophy and historian of religion mir charlie id gave it to me . i got out of his study the connection between geography and spirituality. you're one of his most famous works is the sacred and the profane. you name it with the ongoing. he argues there, that when a home or

a land loses his cosmological meaning to person, that the person's body and entire existence also lose their spiritual and religious dimension wasn't his line, your boss, and the shy absurdity of yours in the way beholden of a smooth law but don't you think that you've, by antagonizing the west, russia is fighting globalization. he's actually, and the idea that a passage should be detached from the land of it's from the history of his answer says rob the idea of being free and separated from the historical that cultural and spiritual processes are processing. it's not, i'm a dealer globalization, is that the idea that you can be anywhere or saw in was it with you if you put it this way is essentially against human spiritual nature, whose voice in an effort to write and ship the warmest, give us no wine you don't get ruin yet. you know, i am a historian, so i speak from battle historical perspective in recent decades,

globalization has brought about some tremendously negative consequences for all of mankind or challenges ever been william. i think everyone agrees on that to day look again, but what was the response to these neil liberal globally as challenges e . still morse loves yes. the response seems to be that they decided they can ride a humanist and religious fillings and use them as a pretext to wage a war that actually has completely different real reasons of destiny. genesis subset this debbie, there is this issue of national south expression and eastern ukraine. this is the breo leash here junior law daughter. is that a new grade and that a aaliyah la rossi in as up a mix that this is also true for western ukraine that i see russian never said it

didn't one and independent process in ukraine a, it was a did not want the country to become a grand to launch an offensive. what does it mean? you annisa my, they are and hushing up all of ukraine's problems. move up shows up on that group. i got over. ready old, there isn't a single mansion of the negative aspects, slight ukrainian, that says in western propaganda or lee. i have one last question about propaganda. coincidentally, about in his speech financing the start of the special operation in ukraine. president putin called the west the empire of life e y e o. yet in period 3 with is i see it. that was a reference to preston rake and cooling the soviet union and even empire community to say that because i also want them to ring and what i want to ask he passed in the not as a historian, owner, academic, but as a passing her, we do you believe that truth is power reviewed that the truth always comes out

sooner or later than with bugging back cb. i glad. yes this is lee. yea be honest. there's like a king if i were to lose faith and human kind and that prove my, my life would be meaningless, as i did candidly without it, you mo, most of you model it by it that we on your door, my daughter key. that's why i don't think generalize concepts like the west and east are legitimate political. my. they are too broad a local but as he is up. but the idea of us talk when applied, they raised the diversity of the west, east and russia. they give rise to cultural braces, naziism, and russo phobia the analogies. instead, we need to analyze the existing global and regional systems. and if you want to give us was not bitterly you. also, you have to have

a critical approach to capitalism. but i wish the best way to reach you you've otherwise it's impossible to solve any crisis. is a weather today or tomorrow? yes, you would know. yes, dr. professor, i think we had a very spirited conversation. thank you very much for that. thank you. goodbye, and thank you for watching. focus here again on the wells apart. ah, with noun

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the law civilians have been evacuated. we're mary, i'll pull them battlefield factory with don't get for public officials reporting a total of $100.00 ne, $22.00 now brought to safety. we've heard from some of them. we knew about the humanitarian corridors. we knew about the evacuation, but they just didn't let us out one time, they wanted us to dig trenches. it's crazy to even think for me that my son can go dig trenches. nato conduct military drove close to the russian on beller, russian borders with a former senior diplomat from nato. paul, the new zealand youth. caution against the alliances policy of all in here, we're going to make sure that allude would, begins and new zealand to stop us be.