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the west was deception of russians as bloodthirsty barbarians isn't a new idea is it is done. this is an old idea. yes. mainly you want to pinpoint the historical or it's the 1st phobia will be x because i don't know how to go back to the 16th century just not just, not the movie. but in that was the time when russia became, in a way arrival to britain that was back than the british empire at depth of a big deal seed up by since that period. we have seen more recent though, been emerging time. and again, taking new forms and serving new goals. seeing that at the but invariably it have to do with the competition in the global arena, seen as a great powers confronted each other and thoughtful,
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all sorts of advantageous positions. some the global scene. ready i have a professor crashed as far as i understand any anthropologists will tell you that this kind of fit and demonize ation of the other tribe is a natural phenomenon. different. historically, humans have always full over sources, territories and power. don't you saying that given russia size and influence, you know, it's essentially inevitable for some rooster phobia to match or to my, i mean, and the same goes for sin, a phobia america will be a cetera i need to be of course sold is different. so been, have existed and will continue to exist, but we must always look for the powers that promote phase po, b, s. u, for b. scott seeley. we must see how much not by hate the people of a given country or region experience how furiously if they are attacked bushes because
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most of the spell b, s, b are not at all like grass roots phenomena. now maybe for example, i was in berlin a few days ago and i did not see any anti russians sentiment when i talked to the people. yet nobody harassed rush. and speaker school though we know from german defense ministry reports again that there have been several 100 incidents including attacks and monuments and statues, etc. but this isn't a popular movement. news. yeah, there are no cochran, it's nothing like what happened during the anti semitic pogroms. send me, geez, i understand, you mean this is a kind of have that have different routes. will be
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a phobia is an organized top down phenomenon. and it has always been and that way, i know who, yeah. so what you're saying is that from a natural prejudice which is inherent in all nations for being just mr. f o, b, as now, being deliberately and purposefully transform into a tool for shaming specific goals. you can create gas, this new type of bristow, he's part of the war and ukraine. you might, to your bus. it's a means to insure a cohesion within the collective west to influence the population gladly more, but the role of the media is critical. you know me? yeah, you cut, you get channels like seeing then bbc, it sat right on one to name all of them. it's all on there for to demonize russia. we can see every minute of every day, it's easy. i was planning to say,
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if i understand you correctly, your argument is that some of the best progress, if mindfully i say, i have decided to exploit humanities massey, primitive instinct. i, shall i be a good at why, what is there an game? he thought i would say, comcast sign it m m a goose 3. you laugh me gave an example for the audience and i did get the elizabeth that they made. yes, you will in the you, there is a top official in charge of foreign affairs by the name of joseph burrell. meely bought it o m m o, he is anti russian to the corps and doesn't even deny it. and he said that russia must be defeated on the battlefield una, ah, boy, if legally stone horse, what is his agenda won't go? why does he talk such nonsense? he somebody is
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a man of tremendous responsibility. appro school. what are we even talking about to be a few days after i heard him say that it dawn on me. why i watched a german woman in her forties or fifties speak to show on z d f and major sherman t, the channel david bro, grandma and i was yes, she was from a younger generation. not the hitler youth generation. ah julia gun know what she sad was so baffling, please. i even remember her last name. it was gal go your amelia. i was amazed that a sentiment like that could be expressed in the very heart of europe. you wrote, i'm not that she spoke in favor of pumping ukraine with heavy weaponry. and her argument was that we should find the russians because they are a talking or a liberal and post modern way of life. rosky is
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you. so this woman, mother le, germans citizen, once germany to fight russia in the name of the european valley is national. libra was little niece who, jeez, i had a professor crass my understanding is that this battle has more than just a political dimension. it has also expanded into the realm of culture. nobody was sure. yes, this is don in order to serve cultural supremacy over russia. yep. that's why i gave you the example of bad german woman. this line of argument is simply baffling for intellectuals to revert to some sort of racist or nazi fear rising to cultural racism. it is, i'm thinkable, there is a massive risk for russia here as well. if it fails to handle these developments properly. not that i'm very worried about russia's response. we must not go back to
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the 1940 or 19th atheist back to the soviet anti gus map politan campaign that watching last name nickerson. i mean, i think it's an important thing to understand that under the banner fighting pigeons, russia, one of russia's cultural heritage, including the heritage of the 19th or early 20th centuries, is getting essentially cancel it. if not, that's my challenge. what's i know? there are plenty of examples of this kind of idiocy happening. can you tell us which one show you the nice deal after he died of lately? so the big plus the authoritarian base of liberalism, it shocked me to see that it exists. but it's like, well deposits, they say i have a position and it's not the official position of the e. u. for example, natalie word though i expressed that position. the brewster. not any fear. the voices advanced somewhere on the fringes, if by one to say, i want the truth, i send for diplomacy and pace. this is a very simple position,
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but where can i make my boys heard you say you didn't have access to the media. you was a young boys, you want find this sort of have been ins, expressed anywhere in the media, notting, germany, not in calling us letting him know, you know, but i know what people actually think. i've been to many european countries lately . people don't want war. they believe in pace. they are against the pumping ukraine with arms because these cannot be achieved that way. miss the miss the meta mask, but instead of payson negotiations, we've got through so phobia, or ukraine, a phobia that i bought. it works almost the same way. all the other side is, is that less noisy, i'll have to disagree with you here because i do not see this antique crane sentiment in russia, in part because we all have family in ukraine. any god, nicholas? no, there is no ukraine of phobia in russia every night,
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no matter what the media says, we call our relatives to check how they're doing. so they genius, we worry about them all the time. so someone says this was easy on the russian people that to lie when we realized this is a heavy bad and i would even say great sin in some day we will have to pay for it. so the number of the black ink, noah buffer us don't store, but the thing is, the way i see it is that the west left russia now as a choice booked book. that's the tragedy of your, at least for actors invoke body. i've already talked about the authoritarian phase of liberalism. they claim that crush alone is responsible for the war that the conflict again and sample rate $24.00. didn't double the war started way before that time, a historian. so i analyzed phenomena from a historical perspective. they give you most ad though he's more began,
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it made it, we operate the collapse of the soviet union delete the idea of breaking the russia part was a concept in the 3 emerged in the early 19 nineties in the works of a speak me up, but as in scale, it was a security advisor to several us presidents. i know i just since dan native has been expanding eastwards all the way sort of us now we are witnessing the backlash. what nicholas? i think there is something to this conflict we haven't seen before. and that was the confrontation between russia and the west had indeed begun a long time ago that way before the 24th of february 2022. or that we have never seen any attempt to ban sykowski with no c. s. he until now. and that was literally, you may have heard the story about a 200 year old oak tree in to again of museum, which was banned from participating in the european tree of the year contests in
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order to exclude russia, organic tree. that was that, it, i see, you know, i mean, this is moronic. evade, and wanted there avoid, or is there some kind of deeper meaning here? is there an underlying purpose or are people just losing their minds? went to law is gone through a li, the goal is to control the population, the public opinion, many and to ready cade all other years. see years mostly through gaps. oak has no right to exist in the west. people will want to know why you, me, bravo figured it over or explain this, that you are a told russians are evil people. i said they should be punished. i li, are you, are you still now that he not garza, she already may keep appealing to the sounds self, probably conscience to the ideal punishment. so this is, glen,
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keep trying to implant and to people's minds. the idea that russian says are some kind of barbarians. it's in lucy. therefore, european values must be abandoned in ukraine. right? that's why they pretend that ukraine is a democracy. even though they keep using these concepts as tools with us, you see while there are a number of democratic countries, eastern europe just the majority, are authoritarian regimes done the it is all on, for example, or the baltic states national and my own country might though it is very important for the collapse of the ussr bounce it by our aid elegy will saying that we follow the same development path in europe. you ever obisky bases simply impossible. you cannot build a board. you are democracy without a pro democracy middle class. this is going to build democracy,
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then i thought it was the only guard without any culture from scratch to what the deal was concentrated. the all the comic power in their hands through privatization to nothing more yet we hear all these nonsense about european culture . well, professor calls, we have to take a very short break right now, but we will be back in just a few moments in the me the ah
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except where such order that conflict with the 1st law show your identification. we should be very careful about official intelligence at the point obviously is to race trust or rather than fear i would like to take on various jobs with artificial intelligence, real solar and with a robot must protect its own existence with ah welcome back to world support with the mass, krauss, professor of russian history out there at fortunate around the university of sciences. in budapest, a has a professor earlier you mentioned the idea of appealing to people's consciences.
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you, cuz it seems to me that the whole mark of russian culture is its complexity and absolute walker. we're good on that as it appeals directly to the human. so it's not the only culture to do that, but that is certainly it's distinctive feature, openness by me, cause it's a store. would you agree that these attempts to cancel? tchaikovsky to kenneth and dostoevsky are intended to keep westerners away and from russian culture? a good idea of nicholas g r. i was the middle school going to renew july zarbara shores so that it can not touch their souls and let them see through the hays of not only the rest, the phobia, but also the entire capitalist system. scuse, stuart got bought out the basically squeezes the live out of people, cups in some would save money to humanize us. problem with them after 2, i mean, they're not premier, they for example, as that german woman was talking old. that nonsense saw the prism for olsen made a point. yes, yes, he said that one cannot ignore their deep and breach russian culture. got dora,
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which represents the pentacle of human achievement, a bridge old dude. yeah, dogs, you have to admit that because every one nelson store and that so the harm is not as great as we might hear people, one be filled. they, cecily, didn't blame the west as over doing it. some in the west are being over zealous in the way they did carry out the orders from washington and brussels. yeah, you have it among the intellectually lead side and see any one trying to directly target for russian culture grow. man, you get to hear some may not wish to have conflicts with the russian scholars by you might, you know to my, i me, nick, i've got some may refuse to chris palmed with russian in black shoals at the center of doesn't you there, but didn't the hatred as my dad's and goes so deep as to warrant
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a man on chikavsky or tolstoy a law. and then i don't feel that kind of sentiment just yet, but i called the number, but stoba does. yeah. but you might endless or did you not owe the brokerage yet? you will. so, you mean, it seems to me, there is something home, a superstitious or rich inefficient back with movement to cancer russia that i think you may remember the incident in sweden when a concept in support of ukraine was cancelled after the swedish musicians fan. actually, when the bell alike, as they were supposed to pray, were made in russia bell alike as good counsel. how crazy is that? this is magical thinking in its purest form. they think they are somehow helping the ukrainians by to angle lease with old is. russo phobia said kenny, rushing bella like, had the ukrainians in anyway bullshit. we get a bit of a help that these superstitious approach will help generate more support. more
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emotional solidarity with the ukranian refugees. guys give me bad stats now. true. we have been helping the ukrainian refugees since day one. we are helping them. tay russians are helping misaki people of all political views. old sorts of people are helping yes, those is yes. be a good night and needed some money to. so all the hate against russians comes from the top. i've gotten used to that more than, but maybe it's just the way i see it. but there has been a lot of mystic messaging in the dallas between the kremlin and the white house from when you got seniors looking normal bill and bill them. for example, both payton and biden bring up got a line of order or say, biden says some time ago that pigeon had no soul, which was quite a strong statement with dish. cuz evening. do you think that this conflict between russia and the west is defined merely by the struggle for geopolitical influence, resources that is the right to decide for the nation?
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so i decide that there will be not only or is it also spiritual basso of some soon as well. yes. ology just these things do not exist separately from this very chill, the political emb economy, aspects all work together. but yeah, yeah. there is a global conflict going on, the u. s. and the collective west one to restore their had gemini and the world even these up. but what it was that, i mean, give them good. do this, they need to demonize, each animal that poses a real threat like china, india, et cetera. a bus is, or a new factor is on the global scene and nobody really understands them. well, yeah, this is all about, and you world order. well, you see, nobody understands them, but i think in russia at least, i think i do understand them when i was there to watch the emotions, you know, have a certain inclination for him. mrs. him, he said we will be with us. oh,
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certainly. but so do the americans sports williams wasn't sure we are really close in this regard. we'll believe we're the chosen people. i'll give an example. rather than biden often denounces president putin, who never speaks back by the way in biden, is on a mission to fight russian ali garbage. you, bro, he isn't fighting against capitalism. like, i do know he's targeting russian oligarchs. why isn't he fighting american oligarchs? what's the difference? a month or washing oligarch started bad american. oligarchs are good guys. he only got he's got a she. and please as mr. c. as in its purest form. miss me, how can one believe it or you're right? one can't, if one is a racial person, i usually thought it's a matter of faith. you bring your mind letting me up, but i,
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i was struck by russian soldiers paintings that under the coastal sky. if it's an ancient slattich latin, meaning the us here at the watching them you satisfy, bounce can look like i thought as much ad z m loop. it's other meanings were land, nation and people i, that i'm not, not a what it even to narrative. the human body in its entirety, i was able to lexia, i had to move for russian sits and next essential spiritual battle. couple and what about the west? when you might think, does it understand it's not just about cream. that is much more than that. as a boy. it will walk aviation. i thought i suggest, but i forget a show going to ship is to let you not all the you see the people at large, haven't internalize this yet. only some might understand the meaning called this letter go dog bud wilson power haid this latter is haley the they are trying
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to ban it. can you believe is low die? yeah. ne. banning a ladder. a place shine. how is it possible? is that going to show this is the civilized world, so to say the west campaigning against the latter? those up but you book which is sugar is a joke, saying it's not a z landscape, but your landscape crazy. so mostly you asked, why does that that has shocked me the most grassy these has. yeah. but as the look at the but us no, i guess i professor cries, there might be some deep meaning to this notion of i love the romanian philosopher and historian of religion mir charlie id gave it to me. i thought of his study, the connection between geography and spirituality. you're one of his most famous wax, is the sacred and the profane heal name a point, the own go i did. he ok, is there that when a home or a land loses cosmological meaning to pass and i have yet to the person's body,
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an entire existence also lose their spiritual and religious dimension wasn't his 20 fours and a shy absurdity of yours in the way beholden there. was no sla, but don't you sing? said you've bryant agonizing, the west rushes, fighting globalization. lastly, and the idea that a passage should be detached from the land from the history of his ancestors. the idea of being free and separated from the historical setting, cultural and spiritual processes and the processing. it's not m delia. globalization is the idea that you can be anywhere or saw in was it with you? if you put it this way, is essentially against human spiritual nature, whose voice in an upper divide asia. the warmest give us no one, you know, you had, you brought it yet, you know, i'm a historian, so i speak from battle historical perspective in recent decades,
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globalization has brought about some of these tremendously negative consequences for all of mankind, or you're looking at the, from william, i think everyone agrees on that to day look a good, what was the response to these neal liberal globally as challenges e. still morse loves yeah. the response seems to be that they decided they can bride a humanist and religious fillings and use them as a pretext to wage a war that actually has completely different real reasons of just an engine. lucy, subset this debbie, there is this, is she of national south expression in eastern ukraine? this is the braille ish here, junior la, love us daughter, is that a new grade and they are near la grossi in as up next. like this is also true for western ukraine that i see russia never said it didn't one an independent process
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in ukraine move to graham. it was, it did not want the country to become a ground to launch an offensive. what does senior annisa my they are and hushing up all of ukraine's problems. move up shows up on the group. i got over. ready there isn't a single mention of negative aspect, slight ukrainian, that says in western propaganda. holy, i have one last question about propaganda. coincidentally about in his speech announcing the start of the special operation in ukraine. president putin called the west the empire of life, e y e o. yes. in period 3 with them is i see it that was a reference to preston rake and cooling the soviet union. and even empire community decided because i also want them to ring. and what i want to ask you personally, not as a historian, owner, academic, but as a passing we, do you believe that truth is power reviewed that the truth always comes out sooner
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or later than with on getting back to die? glad. yes, the gala is lee, yea be honest. there's like a king. if i were to lose faith and human kind 10 the proof of my my life would be meaningless. is i candidly without it you model gross? don't you model it by it that we on your door most of our key. that's why i don't think generalize concepts like the west and the star. my legitimate legal, my are too broad a local, but as he is a good idea of us dog when applied, they raised the diversity of the west, east and russia. they give rise to cultural graces, naziism, and rissa phobia anomalies. instead, we need to analyze the existing global and regional systems. and if you want to, you eat, your mother was not bitterly you. also, you have to have a critical approach to capitalism. but i wish the best way to reach you,
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you've otherwise it's impossible to. so many crisis is a whether today or tomorrow. yes or no. you can use this doctor or professor. i think we had a very spirited conversation. thank you very much for that. thank you. goodbye. and thank you for watching this here again on the wells apart. ah with ah ah nice to come to the russian state.
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ah . ah, the last civilians have been evacuated from larry. all po, them, battle field factory was door hits were public officials reporting a total of $182.00. now protest, i think we've heard from some of them we knew about the humanitarian corridors. we knew about the evacuation, but they just didn't let us out one time. they wanted us to dig trenches. it's crazy to even think for me that my son can go dig trenches. later can dug for military drills close to the russian and fellow russian borders with a former senior diplomat from a part of new zealand. oh jeez caution against the alliances policy of the army. here we are going to make sure to move begins in new zealand to stop us being
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