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of sciences in budapest, recessive cows, fessor cries, thank you very much for your time. i appreciate the opportunity to talk to you. hello. you have been researching russian and soviet history for a long time. and you've also analyze it from the perspective of russia's relations, was the west. why was this perception of russians as bloodthirsty barbarians? isn't any idea? is it heavy? i don't use that. this is an old idea. yes, lynn. if you want to pinpoint the historical roots of fruits of phobia, full b x, because i don't know how to go back to the 16th century, she has lots of just thought still will be a start. what would it be? that was the time when brush became in a way arrival to britain died. that was back than the british empire. death of a baby yoga seed up by scenes that period. we have seen what risks of phobia emerged time and again,
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taking new forms and serving new goals. she does at the but invariably it have to do with the competition in the global arena, says great powers confronted his shoulder and thoughtful, all sorts of advantageous positions. some the global scene. ready by his a professor crass as far as i understand any anthropologists will tell you that this kind of fair and immunization of the other tribe is a natural phenomenon with historically humans have always fought over. so says, territories and power. don't you saying that given russia size an influence, yet it's essentially inevitable for some rooster fairbetter match what you may i me and the same goes for center, phobia america, phobia, et cetera. i need bustle. here is b of course sold is different. so busy have existed and will continue to exist,
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but we must always look for the powers that promote base beau b. s. u for b. scott, feel we must see how much not have the people of a given country or region experience how furiously if they are attack bush's because most of they've spelled is we are not at all like, grassroots phenomena, not be made yet. for example, i was in berlin a few days ago, and i did not see any anti russian sentiment. when i talk to the people, yet nobody harassed russian speakers. i don't valley that it shut. yeah. although we know from german defense ministry reports again that there have been several 100 incidence arrows, including attacks and monuments and statues, et cetera. they did lonia, let i. but this isn't to popular movement. yes,
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yes or no park room. so it's nothing like what happened during the anti semitic pogroms these images and a sound a mean. so this is a kind of hate that have different routes. so phobia rissa pho, bears an organized top down phenomenon in it has always been that way. yes. who? yeah, yeah, i imagine that we so what you're saying is that from natural prejudice, which is inherent in whole nations for recent, yes, mr. selby is now being deliberately and purposefully transformed into a tool for cheating specific goals. who's in your company of mckinney? yes, this new type of bruce, of phobia by his part of the war and ukraine, you might, it's a means to insure cohesion within the collective west who influence the population landing over the role of the media is critical. you know me any
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catches get channels like cnn, bbc, it sat right and want to name all of them. it's all on there for to demonize russia . we concede every minute of every day. this easy i was planning. so if i understand you correctly and your argument is that some of the best progress, if mindfully i say, i have decided to exploit humanities massey primitive instinct, i should be a good at why, what is there an game? he thought i would say comcast, i need to see other emma who used to be to lap me, gave an example for the audience. and i did get the list that they made. yes, you will. in the e u, there is a top official in charge of foreign affairs by the name of joseph burrell. meely bought it o m m o, he is anti russian to the corps and doesn't even deny it. and he said that russia
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must be defeated on the battlefield. oh boy, a b stone horse. what is his agenda won't go? why does he talk such nonsense? he sunday. uh he is a man of tremendous responsibility. our pro. what are we even talking about today? a few days separate, i heard him say that it dawned on me why i watched determined woman in her forties or fifties speak to shell on z d f and major sherman t, the channel david bro, grandma and i was yes, she was from a younger generation not the hitler youth generation. ah, julia gun know what she sad was so baffling. i even remember her last name. it was gal go your amelia. i was amazed that a sentiment like that could be expressed in the very heart of europe. you have roku
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. i'm not going to be, she spoke in favor of pumping ukraine with heavy weaponry. and her argument was that we should find the russians because they are a talking or a liberal and post modern way of life. you know, a lot you so this woman, another way, a german citizen, once germany to fight russia in the name of european values. nash, who libra was lebaron, is who jesus that has a professor crass my understanding is that this battle has more than just a political dimension. it has also expanded into the realm of culture. oh really? nobody was. all right. yes, this is don in order to serve cultural supremacy over russia. that's why i gave you the example about german woman. this line of argument is simply baffling for intellectuals to revert to some sort of racist or nazi fear rising to cultural
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racism. it is, i'm thinkable there is a massive risk for russia here as well. if it fails to handle these developments properly. not that i'm very worried about rushes response. we must not go back to the 1940 or 19th atheist back to the soviet anti gus ma politan campaign that watching last name nickerson. i mean, i think it's an important thing to understand that 100 had been now fighting picnic russia, one of russia's cultural heritage, including the heritage of the 19th or early 20th centuries, is getting essentially cancel it. not put it back to my child, but i know there are plenty of examples of this kind of idiocy happening. can you tell us which one showed you the nice deal after he died lately? so the better it closed, the authoritarian base of liberalism. it shocked me to see that it exists, but it's like, well deposits. they say i have a position and it's not the official position of the you. for example,
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napoli were the one expressed that position at the stone. my benefit, he was advanced somewhere on the fringes. if i want to say i want to truth, i send for diplomacy in peace. this is a very simple position, but where can i make my boys heard? you do not have access to the media. you get the more you want find the sort of a finance expressed anywhere in the media, notting, germany, not in colon logins, but i know what people actually think. i've been to many european countries lately . people don't want war, they believe in peace. they are against ukraine with arms because thieves can be achieved that way miss missed missed. but then dad was, he isn't negotiations. we've got chris a pho bit or ukraine, a phobia about it works almost the same way on the other side. let me think,
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i'll have to disagree with you here, because i do not see this and to ukraine sentiment in russia, in part because we all have family in ukraine. you guys know, there is no ukraine of toby in russia every night, no matter what the media says, we call our relatives to check how they're doing. they really worry about them all the time. so if someone says this, who is easy on the russian people, that's a lie, we realized this is a heavy burden. i would even say a great sin and some day we will have to pay for it. go to number 2, it's a blessing nor brought them stone. but the thing is, the way i see it is that the west left russia, no other choice booked book. that's the tragedy. it least for actors invoke body. i've already talked about the authoritarian phase of liberalism. they claim that crush alone is responsible for the war that the
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conflict again and sample rate, $24.00, and then you got a didn't a double the war started way before at that time, a historian. so i analyzed phenomena from a historical perspective. they give you most ad though, he's more and began, it made it, we operate the collapse of the soviet union delete the idea of breaking the russia part was a concept in the 3 emerged in the early 19 nineties in the works of a speak me up but as in scale, it was a security advisor to several us presidents. i know i just since dan native has been expanding eastwards all the way sort of us now we are witnessing the backlash. what any of us, i think there is something to this conflict. we haven't seen before, not one of the confrontation between russia and the west, had indeed begun a long time ago that way before the 24th of february 2022. or that we have never
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seen any attempt to ban sykowski with no c. s. he until now he us go, that was literally, you may have had the story about a 200 year old oak tree in to again, if museum, which was banned from participating in the european tree of the year contests in order to exclude russia, organic tree that we that it, i see, you know, i mean, this is moronic. evade unwanted there avoid or is there some kind of deeper meaning here? is there an underlying papist, or are people just losing their minds? went to law, if he is going to rally the goal is to control the population, the public opinion, many and to ready cade all other years. see years mostly through gaps. oak has no right to exist in the west. well, people will want to know why you, me, bravo figured it over. or explain this, that you are told russians are evil people that they should be punished. my li,
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are you, are you still not a not sure what it means they keep appealing to the sounds self properly conscience to the ideal punishment. so this is glen, keep trying to implant and to people's minds. the idea that russians are some kind of barbarians. it's in lucy, therefore european values must be abandoned in ukraine. that's why they pretend that ukraine as a democracy, even though they keep using these concepts as tools with us, you see, while there are a number of democratic countries in eastern europe, just the majority, are authoritarian regimes. when he's done the, it is all and for example, or the baltic states nationally, been my own country. mike, you know what? it is very important that is offered the collapse of the ussr pow suffice our ideology law saying that we follow the same development path as europe general base
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ski boat. as me this is simply impossible. you cannot build a board, you. i democracy without the pro democracy middle class will just do this really is going to build democracy. then i thought it would be all the guards without any culture from scratch. doherty, what they did was concentrate all economic power in their hands through privatization. nothing more yet. we hear old is nonsense about european culture. well, professor cross, we have to take a very short break right now, but we will be back in just a few moments they can, ah ah ah
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ah ah, ah bizarre through the gwinnett college center you are good to, can you better than the women? crossville but oh, but on the but as i go to the book on this was so love is this is sonya one is the
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only way, boucher learning to love the school ideals, to least according as little as in the course booking which mrs. jen option mrs. 4th grade, and painful. gotcha. gotcha. ah, local herancha. this prisoner should been good. we think he might be a soviet soldier because of the boots. he's wearing huge, which sold up. so to move a personal opinion with anyone on the summer, washington police force swim bus home a blue
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welcome back to world support with the mass krause, professor of russian history at the, at fortunate around the university of sciences. in budapest, a has a professor earlier you mentioned the idea of appealing to people's consciences. yeah. it seems to me that the whole mark of russian culture is its complexity and absolute walker. we're good on that as it appeals directly to the human. so it's not the only culture to do that, but that is suddenly it's distinctive feature been made by me course at the store. would you agree that these attempts to cancel tchaikovsky to kenneth and dostoevsky are intended to keep to this away and from russian culture? i did as up of the g, i was the middle school good and you like that choice so that it can not touch their so is and let them see through they have not only the rich, the phobia, the also, the entire catholic system is here, like i bought it that basically squeezes the live out of people here in somewhat favoring to humanize us. with that, i'm not going to, i mean they're not be me
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a good day for example, as that germans woman was talking all that nonsense saw the prism for olsen made a point. you just you sad that one cannot ignore their deep and breach russian culture. got dora, which represents the piano, columbia human achievement, bridge, old dude. yeah. dogs, you have to admit that because every one knows that store and that so the harm is not as great as we might hear. people, one be filled. they cecily didn't blame the west as over doing it. my som in the west are being over zealous in the way they did carry out the orders from washington and brussels. yeah, you have it among the intellectually lead side and see anyone trying to directly target for russian culture grow. man, you get to hear some main at which to have conflicts with the russian scholars. and
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you might, you know, to my, and he, nick, i've got some may refused to correspond with russian in black shows at the saturate, doesn't you there? but the hatred asthma dobson goes so deep as to warrant a man on chikavsky or tolstoy a law. and then i don't feel that kind of sentiment just yet, but i called the number the store does yet, but you might endless or did you not owe the package yet? you will. so you, me, it, it seems to me, there is something home, a superstitious, or rich and left click about this movement to cancel russia. you may remember the incident in sweden, when a concert in support of ukraine was cancelled after the swedish musicians found the battle alike as they were supposed to play were made in russia. like as good counsel. how crazy is that? this is magical thinking in its purest form. they think they are somehow helping the crane ends by doing old lives with old is rusito beer. can a russian by like
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a heard the ukrainians in any way? or should we get a bit of a hope that the superstitious approach will help generate more support, more emotional solidarity with the cranium, refugees, days given by stamps. now true. we have been helping the cranium refugees since day one. greatest. ready we are helping them to the russians are helping miss jackie. but people of all political views, all sorts of people are helping. yes, those is yes. be a good night and needed some money too. so all the hate against russians comes from the top. i'm going to use that to the mortal, but maybe it's just the way i see it. but there has been a lot of mystic messaging in the dallas between the kremlin and the white house from when you got senior, the middleman, bill and bonham. what, for example, both payton and biden, bring up god a line of walker or say,
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biden said some time ago that peyton had no soul, which was quite a strong statement with this because evening. do you think that this conflict between russia and the west is defined merely by the struggle for geopolitical influence? resources is the right to decide for the nation. so i decide that there will be not only or is it also a spiritual battle of some soon as well? yes. ology just these things do not exist separately. this very chill, the political, emb, economy, aspects all work together. yeah, yeah. there is a global conflict going on in the u. s. and the collective west one to restore their ahead germany and the world even these up. but what it was that, i mean, give them good. do this, they need to demonize, each animal that poses a real threat like china, india, et cetera. got a bus is, or a new factor is some, the global scene and nobody really understands them. well, yeah, this is all about
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a new world order. well, you see, nobody understands them, but i think in russia, at least, i think i do understand them when i was there to watch the emotions, you know, have a certain inclination for him, mrs. and he said we will be with us certainly. but so do the americans sports williams was sure we are really close in this regard. we'll believe we're the chosen people, which i'll give an example. rather than biden often denounces president putin, who never speaks back by the way in biden, is on a mission to fight russian ali garbage. your pro, he isn't fighting against capitalism. like, i do know he's targeting russian oligarchs. why isn't he fighting american oligarchs? what's the difference? a shame you but you might or barshan oligarch started bad american. the oligarchs are good guys. he only got, he's got us. she said,
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this is mr. c. as in its purest form. is me how can one believe it or you're right? one can't, if one is a racial person, i usually thought it's a matter of faith. you bring your mind letting me up, but i, i was struck by russian soldiers paintings that under the coastal sky. if it's an ancient slattich latin meaning the us that ever watching them you satisfy, bounce can look like i thought as much as z m. lucas. place, other meanings were land, nation and people. i said, i'm not, not a what a by that it even denotes the human body in its entirety. i watch cable nights here . i had them say for russians sits and next essential spiritual battle. look up on what about the west when you might think, does it understand it's not just about cream. that is much more than that. i think what it will walk aviation. i thought i said just but i for you. i'll be
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a rush. you're going to ship is to let you not all the you see the people at large, haven't internalize this yet. only some might understand the meaning called this latter good. you don't but listen, power a hate this latter. is he in the the they are trying to ban it. can you believe this low die? yeah. ne, banning a ladder. a place shine. how is it possible? is that going to show this is the civilized world. so to say the west campaigning against the latter lot, but you book which is sugar is a joke saying it's not a z landscape, but your landscape crazy. so mostly you asked why does it that has shocked me the most grassy. these has it, but as the look it's about us. no i guess professor cries, there might be some deep meaning to this out. you know, i let the romanian philosophy and historian of religion mir charlie id gave it to
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me. i thought of his study, the connection between geography and spirituality. you're one of his most famous works is the sacred and the profane. you name it when the on go i did he ok, is there that when a home or a land loses his cosmological meaning to pass and i have yet to the passenger body and entire existence also lose their spiritual and religious dimension wasn't his line of boys in the shy absurdity of yours, in the way the home was new sla, but don't you think that you've, bryant agonizing, the west. russia is fighting globalization. he's actually, and the idea that a passage should be detached from the land from the history of his and he says, well, the idea of being free and separated from the historical that cultural and spiritual processes are processing. it's not a mom dealer. globalization is the idea that you can be anywhere or saw in was it, which is yeah, if you put it this way is essentially against human spiritual nature, whose voice in an upper it's about ancient, the warmest give me your snow on,
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you know, you had you brought it, yeah, cuz you know, i'm a historian, so i speak from bob, a story called perspective. in recent decades, globalization has brought about some tremendously negative consequences for all of mankind or challenges ever from royal. i think everyone agrees on that to day look again, but what was the response to these neal liberal globally as challenges e . still morse loves yes. the response seems to be that they decided they can bride a humanist and religious feelings and use them as a pretext to wage a war that actually has completely different real reasons of just me jen. lucy sub said this debbie, there is this, is she of national south expression in eastern ukraine?
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this is the real issue, jane year law. not love us, don't you? is that a new grain? and danielle rossi, in as up and make for this is also true for western ukraine that i think russian never said it didn't want an independent process in ukraine. what i've read your name, it was, it did not want the country to become a grand to launch and offensive. what he does here annisa my. they are hushing up all of ukraine's problems. move up ships up on the group again over. ready over there isn't a single mention of negative aspect, slight ukrainian, that says in western propaganda. holy, i have one last question about propaganda. coincidentally, that was in his speech announcing the start of the special operation in ukraine. president putin called the west the empire of life, e y e o. yep. in period 3 with them is i see it that was a reference to preston rake and calling the soviet union an evil empire community to say that because i use it on them to reagan. what i want to ask you personally,
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not as a historian owner, academic is, but as a passing we do you believe that truth is power reviewed that the truth always comes out sooner or later than with bugging back cbi? i glad. yes. the gala is lee. yea, be honest, there's like a king. if i were to lose faith and human kind 10 the truth my my life would be meaningless. i candidly without it you model ghost on your model. if i had that we on your domain starkey, that's why i don't think generalized concepts like the weston, the star, legitimate. please go my are too broad a local, but as he is up a local but as the of us dog when applied, they raised the diversity of the west, east and russia. they give rise to cultural braces, naziism and rissa phobia the anomalies. instead,
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we need to analyze the existing global and regional systems. and if you want to, you eat your mas was la biskin 8. you also, you have to have a critical approach to capitalism, to school. by that, i wish the best way to reach you you've otherwise it's impossible to so many crisis is a weather today or tomorrow. yes or no. you can use this doctor or professor. i think we had a very spirited conversation. thank you very much for that. thank you. goodbye. and thank you for watching this here again on the wells apart. ah,
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