all things considered i'm funeral about 77 years ago. fascism in europe was bank, which the price paid for this victory was staggering. that experience remains part of russia's political and historical dna to this day. on this edition of the program, we discussed why pick today is honored in russia and largely forgotten in the west . ah, to discuss this and more, i'm joined by my guest here in moscow. maxine stop, he is the wrecker of the center of advanced american studies at moscow state institute of international relations. and we have to meet with barbara. she's a political analyst and editor knows me. internet media project for a gentleman cross rose and the fact that means you can jump any time you want, and i would appreciate it. let's start with maxine, maxine, it's a, it's a victory day victory day in the great patriotic wars. it's called here in russia,

and if you go down the streets and you see the st. george ribbon is the lines are all out of course for the big 3 days renown for the military parade. and the president giving a speech. what makes it important this year, as opposed to the very 1st one and all the ones in between? go ahead. well, i think the meaning of the picture day is important in 3 dimensions. one is a war that has united the entire nation and block, every other russian family have relatives or distant relative, or either flaw or a gauge in this war, and some form or the out. so this is as you accurately mention, this in the countries and d, n a. the 2nd important aspect of that is, this is a, in about 2 miles on the back of the russian history. that has become the core of

the state and entity in the also that russia, she's in the early days of the soviet union, the most important date was the number. it sounds, you know, the, the revolution. and also that russia is they may, 9th, the key date kind of shaping the state identity. and finally, and i think that goes directly to your question. it is important because it is not just about russia, it's about, you know, the human sacrifice. it's about the human tragedy, and it's about the ability of great powers, regardless of their geopolitical disagreements to come to their senses, a critical moment. so the world, you know, and it's, it's fine that political games may come to very, very far and pull the world to the threshold of annihilation. and this is a reminder that this shouldn't ever happen. well, these are words of great wisdom here, and i completely agree with your assessment dem, uh,

let's kind of flip that upside down. eventually and europe is celebrated on may 8th because of the time differences and all that time when the war came to an end. but it's not something that is really widely remembered or even honored at all in the west. and when i was, even as a child growing up, because my father was a veteran of the 2nd world war, you know, we, we thought of it, but they're not on the same level. graham scale hasn't been for a very long time. hollywood is kind of taken up the, the slack we're world war to film still, but that's just about it. a huge difference here in russia and in the west. go ahead. well, the me, of course, was the loss a r a b. you will know.

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you know, she r o n g a, a, a . now, as i said, you know, that's my next question, maxima, it, i mean, not only a reverence for victory in europe losing any kind of meaning. we have just the, actually, the reverse and deem is already hinted out. it is, we have a form of revisionism. so not only is, you know, that not only is the soviet union not given and the peoples of the soviet union, given credit for the, the destruction of fascism in europe. it's,

it's being diminished. and it's actually being played down into the point. where was the soviet union all the more started in the 1st place. i mean, we've gone through this entire, you know, a re here is really quite remarkable. and it's actually happened quite quickly. maxine, i agree, i look at it in 2 ways. on the one hand, it is part of the great revision of history that is taking place in the western societies. you know, where, where a lot of the c groups in the us and elsewhere are revising their own history. not just the history of other cities or international. so that's part of that pattern or trend. on the other hand, you know, throughout the human history, the most important thing was whose army winds and the 21st century, the growing, technological and information age. it's important who narratives once so i know why

by trying to tackle the most important for saying the most important identity, making element of the russian society of the russian say this part of this, you know, greater geopolitical struggle against, against russia in my view. well, the same thing, question to you, i mean we, we have to the new york review of books used to be a bell out there for intellectual bought in america. unfortunately, hasn't been the case for a very long time. when i can, i can remember stephen po and john mearsheimer know, you know, the great, you know, debating on the importance of the settlement in europe after the war and how and create the geopolitical environment that gave birth to the post more environment. and we had so much of that seems have just been peeled away. and again, just to d, legitimize any kind of positive role that russia is played on the world stage in

the last century. it's really quite remarkable. well, it's a soon to see how he views the situation so far. it was very interesting to read a very basic question, while he's 14, so concerned about history of what you gave him. roger wasn't aggressive as many story and made him stop for the rush is not that it's not that no ways in the security call. so now we can do whatever we want. you know,

so this is, this is what they're trying to do. to support the student who knows, these are all the way they're in the left the bakery to gauge, right. in rush to send, you know, what did all these have? why? i remember when he when you they said so you don't the right as noise. we have knowing we got a few nations down the road. i thought it was. there's no way you

started back on the post. you know, did you wanna talk more so why mine was it the story or go we we destroyed it inspires and now the way she is nautica will notice a it's a much much really you know i you my introduction you know the back pushing fascism

in europe, but that is not the western narrative right now is the soviet union defeated germany. ok because they want to take the ideological element out of it and the rush is very insistent that it must remain ok and this is the end. and i think this is so very important because of trends that are going on in europe right now. we can talk a little bit about what's going on in ukraine as well. but there's this, this refusal to look at in an ideological terms, go ahead. well, there is a refusal to look at it in on a logical terms in the way that we're framed, you know, shortly after world war 2, but definitely not, refusal to look at it in modern day ideological terms, you know, with this quote unquote democracy was our craft kind of thing, this is kind of a different type of framing of the ideological struggle. that is now, is now be in which i totally agree with what i call

except that it's, you know, that it's an attempt to 1st do legitimize the victory. and then, you know, you try to push russia out, you know, the pictures, but then come very practical and things such as, you know, the removal of russia. they tend to rush from the un security council that is already been taking place. you know, they tend to review the post war architecture, you know, in the very principles on the basis of it and try to restore a new world order on very different principles. and where russia is not a player. a rather a player. good, mary, i'm going to hold this very important that we have to go to a hard break. and after that hard breaking your discussion on some real new state. ah, ah,

with those are for the all new business. and you will clean a shoes on your medical grey you, when you wrote it, you know, you got to it is just touching up good. just feeling for when you was just touching . sure in was names. you're off the different student info with you use their own the what the problem you're still with you with the study christa cleaning for choice. the blues are coming to the one off on

ok instead of today which you, which in the longer your bush is just a push to to stream remote because you know, your personal view school go with the subpoena for losses. come up with a welcome back to process where all things

considered. i get a little, this is the home edition remind you were discussing some real. ah, i did tell them we had to go to a break here, but you were talking about the nature of european architecture. let's take a look at that. you know, what was what came is result of the war, the end of the cold war. and now, because this is really, i think, the colonel of it all about what kind of security arrangement that europe needs. go ahead. well, exactly, i was saying, you know, it's important. i think it from what we observe today for western states with us in particular to ensure that russia is not part of the new european security arrangement that is now emerging. it is not a player that original, but rather pay or both your grade and to lessen institutions,

not just with financial, no assets that been frozen or outside the country in foreign banks, but also morally politically, you know, because you always have to restore a new world war and a new security arrangement on the ashes of the old one and on the basis of something, you know, back in the day was on the basis of the german and japanese military infrastructure and their political ambitions. both germany and japan were successfully integrated into the western states. no, but today it's, it's an attempt to, to, to, to you know, to rush into that type of place. if we can go this way, even don't rush, it was not militarily defeated because you know that, you know, that's, it gets to the point of it your team and let me of you because that's what they want. they want a vanquished russia. so it can be integrated like the vanquished countries of

germany and japan as after the 2nd world war demon jump in, this is their programs that were also for the game. and i, when i left your game it became an ally, but it was, it was a supplicant as well. okay. you know, it's not friendship of equal to the image. you know, so you know, i mean is equal right? and if you want to buy the mostly and do you know

the really so you know more about the better you don't just the week before you buy so indeed, enjoy your rush and see what you know we are buying and what would be brought along with you know, just like germany and japan or people the west change, gender, change. it's a completely different from what it used to be. neither were, you know, be very upset and i don't know if your problem was very much against russian style. what

you know, people are wrong . josh was very upset about that. a huge rush about a general idea, you know, didn't work either and you know what? i want more and more and right. you know why? so that's why it would be more what we need to do, you know, same way. hold on hold

. really well you, you've mentioned to him and kept maxine, this is one of the things i find very problematic and madness and it's age of censorship. it's, it's, it's so important to be able to say the truth of what's going on and what kind of political elements the us in the european union of supporting and ukraine since 2014, when there was the illegal overthrow of a democratically elected government. and so i'm, you know, the groups, i'm talking about a dara, private sector of all these people here that are not shy and they're ideal logical dispositions. and this is a well known in the west, but you wouldn't publix don't know it because it's overlooked or not seen as important. or these are into a small number of individuals that always passing it off for some reason. but it's really quite poignant here on big 3 day in, in russia,

when the west is supporting the kind of forces that the soviet union bank bank, which 77 years ago go ahead mexic walking. the, the are of the policy making is the art offset the right priority. so i want to go back to where i started with talking about the today's victory day is important in the sense that it's reminder of the human sacrifice and the ability of the great ours to work together. i think as we move forward and you know, there are less better ends per year from the war. and the memory of that war is no longer fresh to the new generations. and you know, the history of the worst obligated the history of the soviet american and british alliances complicated. so there was a on a number of occasions and appreciation on the part of moscow of, of a need for a new basis for russia, where stock ration made peace for speech and un general assembly in 2015.

calling for a new anti hitler coalition against isis. now that did not work out, so we don't really see on the horizon an enemy that would potentially unite russia in the west. so the quality of the leads have changed in the west dramatically. and the new release chosen the priority to, to, to, you know, and getting back to this don't mean upgrade or to russia is an adversary in any. and every single tool, an audiology is used to the appeal. and you can, here is both the collateral damage and into the policy. you know, what, you know? we've talked, we've talked about changing narratives and one of the narratives, even in my long spell and living in your country, is that i see i see the commemorating victory de more is the victory of the,

of the peoples of the soviet union of the russian in all other nationalities that sacrifice because that's the key word over and over again is sacrifice that was made here. and it is not to promote or venerate any kind of ideology. it's more a human suffering and sacrifice because it was the soviet union and it was a communist country. but when we think about it now in 2022, it's more about sacrifice. would you agree with? i will be in your muscle. whatever they want them to be all at once you go and be more summarize the car, i will say right there in the line and

i see that there were russian people you may all should be there. i don't know. sure. read what they read for my are you going to be real? i was a real and in the same way, i don't want to be made by all the line a is again, course we will also be and your maybe you know, so i a home that we really was

there read so it's time for us to be there and meet him at same. and finally the in the united nations security council passed a, a resolution about ukraine. and it was, it was, it was, it wasn't very specific. i mean, least there was some kind of agreement here, but it's a, as we think about this day victory day, it really pains me that there are so little, little awareness that a major conflict is in the making. and i, and is that what we should, you know, that's what she considered today, what has been lost and what can be lost again. and i think we're still, we're still are not fairly safe for major conflict and trajectory of things in all this recently. you know,

new york times in town talking about, you know, what they alleged real support of the us intelligence for a good friend in military operations can stop rushing, you know, brass and other is really, you know, actually think in my view creasing re, stuff like right our direct, right, our escalation clash. so i think that's in my view what, what i just spoke, you know, the quality of the lease is so different from what we dealt with, you know, and we'll work to shortly after the war 2 or even in the late ninety's 99. yes. so i personally, you know, saying that this time is hard times, you know, usually give birth to greater leaders. i will say my, and is my street now here. yeah. the big quality leadership in the west,

and it's nothing to write home about as they say. well, i hope our viewers will take the take away from this program. is that the, the people of the soviet union, particularly the russian nation, separate enormously and to see russia and it's european neighbors where they are right now. it's really cause for concern parts. right? and that's all the time we have want to make my guess here in mosque, i want to make our viewers watch. here are you see an ex family member? ah ah ah, ah

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