important aspects of that is, this is a and in advance, modest on the back of the russian history that has become the core of the state and entity in the post soviet russia. she's in the early days of the soviet union, the most important date was the number that sounds, you know, the, the revolution. and also russia is the may, 9th, the key dates kind of shaping the st identity. and finally, and i think that goes directly to your question and it is important because it is not just about russia, it's about, you know, the human sacrifice. it's about the human tragedy and it's about the ability of great powers, regardless of their geo political disagreements to come to their senses that critical moment. so the world, you know, and it's a sign that political games may come to very, very far and pull the world to the threshold of and i lay sure. and this is a reminder that this shouldn't ever happen. well,

these are words of great wisdom here, and i completely agree with your assessment dem, uh, let's kind of flip that upside down. but it actually in europe is celebrated on may 8th because of the time differences and all of that time when the war came to an end. but it's not something that is really widely remembered or even honored at all in the west. and when i went, even as a child growing up, because my father was a veteran of the 2nd world war, you know, we, we thought of it, but they're not on the same level. graham scale hasn't been for a very long time. hollywood is kind of taken up the, the slack world war to them still, but that's just about it. a huge difference here in russia and in the west. go ahead. well, the me of course was the was a r,

raise the united states or even be, you know, they're all see also i was looking for rocky beach. well, so you have these dates are and i mean. ready in the right now i read the be 3 days. you can use it, party all well, in fact only years they were to her now with no,

i'm in the session. i probably need to fire you know, sure are all the where to go. and there will be at the multiple role not using that was the media very difficult was know, that's my next question. next. i mean, not only is reverence very vague for victory in europe. losing any kind of meaning, we have just the up to the reverse and deem as already hinted out. it is, we have a form of revisionism. so not only is, you know, that they not only is the soviet union not given and the peoples of the soviet

union, given credit for the, the destruction of fascism in europe. it's being diminished, it's, it's actually being played down into the point where was the soviet union felt that the more started in the 1st place. i mean, we've gone through this entire, you know, a re here is really quite remarkable. and it's actually happened quite quickly. let's see, i agree, i look at it in 2 ways. on the one hand, it is part of the great revision of history that is taking place in the western societies. you know, where, where a lot of advocacy groups in the us and elsewhere are revising their own history. not just the history of other cities or international. so that's part of that pattern or trends. on the other hand, you know, throughout the human history, the most important thing was whose army wins and the 21st century and the growing

technological and information age. it's important who narratives once so, i know why by trying to tackle the most important for saying the most important identity, making element of the russian society of the russian say this part of this, you know, greater geopolitical struggle against, against russia in my view. well, the same thing, question to you, i mean we, we have to the new york review of books used to be a bell other for intellectual bought an american unfortunately, hasn't been the case for a very long time when i can, i can remember. and stephen po and john mearsheimer know, you know, the great, you know, debating of the, the, the importance of the settlement in europe after the war and how and create the geopolitical environment that gave birth to the post more environment. and we had so much of that teams have just been peeled away. and again,

just to be legitimize any kind of positive role that brushes played on the world stage in the last century. it's really quite remarkable. well, joe, and i stay to see how any use the situation so far as was very interesting to read in border. but she basically why are you so concerned about history? what you gave him. roger wasn't aggressive as many stories made him stop for the right. not that it's not, no ways in the security council right now we can do what we

want and you know, so this is where this is what they're trying to do. to support these are all the, you know, in the west the bakery in world war 2, gave rise in russia to send, you know, what did all the teachers have. why? but they said, i remember when he went to say they said, so you know, we have knowing we just got a few nations down the road. i thought it would be fine. you know?

no, williams 9 that started back on the post max. oh, i see. so why mine, what is it the story all over again? we destroyed it inside and out of the way she is nautica will notice a

it might say much, much really you know i in my introduction you're only vanquishing fascism in europe . but that is not the western narrative right now is the soviet union needed germany. ok, because they want to take the ideological element out of it and the rush is very insistent that it must remain ok. and this is the end. and i think this is so very important because of trends that are going on in europe right now. we can talk a little bit about what's going on in ukraine as well. but there's this, this refusal to look at in an ideological terms, go ahead. well, there is a refusal to look at it in on a logical terms in the way they were framed, you know, shortly after world war 2, but definitely not, refusal to look at it in modern day ideological terms, you know, with this quote unquote democracy was our craft kind of thing, this is kind of a different type of framing of the ideological struggle that is now is now be being

waged. i do, i totally agree with what i call except that it's, you know, that it's an attempt to 1st do legitimize the victory. and then, you know, you try to push russia out. you know, the victors don't come very practical and things such as, you know, the removal of russia. they tend to remove russia from the un security council that is already been taken place. you know, they attack to review the post war architecture. you know, in the very principles and the basis of it and try to restore a new world order on very different principles where russia is not a player. rather a player very, i want to hold this very important that we have to go to a hard break. and after that hard breaking your discussion on some real new state. ah,

a new business and you clean with that was chosen. yeah. maybe comes with it is just such, not critical, not ceiling in for you was just touching sure. it was nice talking to different student info with you throw in the with them the problem you're still with yours with to watch. so it was coming to the on off, on the 3rd it which, which no longer interested in the new position. i posted sustainable loan because a leash knew where your personal you school course. i don't know who got to know for the don't know is that a with who used to play in finance is come up

with this whole more block type thinking of us versus the good guys versus the bad guys is really counterproductive for everybody here and of course, it's not in china's interest to pursue a new cold war or some sort of destructive competition with other countries around the world. i would say that even for the united states, that it would be much better service if it did not have to devote as much money as it does to the military to decide spending. and could we allocate some of that towards domestic priorities? ah

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place you mama cook go to somebody tamika but it is ashley of nbc. wanted to work with you but not with regards to network phones or something like that. and then we got that with a well to make the process where all things are considered, i get a little this is the home addition remind you were discussing some real ah

let's see, manage. and then we had to go to a break, but you were talking about the nature of european architecture. let's take a look at that. you know, what was what came is result of the war, the end of the cold war. and now, because this is really, i think, the colonel of it all about what kind of security arrangement that europe needs, go ahead. well, exactly, i was saying, you know, it's important. i think it from what we observed today for the western states with us in particular to ensure that russian is not part of the new european security arrangement that is now emerging. it is not a player that original repair, both your great and to western institutions, not just with financial, no assets that been frozen or outside the country in foreign banks, but also morally politically, you know, because you always have to restore a new world war and a new security arrangement on the ashes of the old one and on the basis of

something back in the day was on the basis of the german and japanese military infrastructure and their political ambitions. both germany and japan were successfully integrated into the western states. no, but today it's, it's an attempt to, to, to, you know, to rush into that type of place. if we can go this way, even don't rush. it was not militarily defeated fee because you know, that, you know, that's, it gets to the point of it here. demon, let me of you because that's what they want. they want a vanquished russia, so it can be integrated like the vanquished countries of germany and japan. after the 2nd world war demon jump in, this is their older states

also for the game and i, when i deem it became an ally, but it was, it was a supplicant as well. ok. you know, it's not friendship of equal, but it's not how i you know, so you know, i mean is equal and if you want to buy the mostly by the soul, you know more about the better you don't make people lazy by that. so indeed, the joy, your rush was,

you know, and other than buying and what would be wrong with you just like germany and japan or people the west change gender. they changed it to completely different from what i used to be. neither were you know, be very upset. i don't know if you were probably, she was very much against russian style in north you know, a went in wrong. joshua was very upset. a rush

by the general a h a l, a b, a. so that's why we have a, you know, we're saying we owe a wheel a, you mentioned the regime and kept maxine, this is one of the things i find very problematic in this, in this age of censorship. i, it's, it's, it's so important to be able to say the truth of what's going on and what kind of

political elements the u. s. in the european union of the so supporting and ukraine since 2014, when there was the illegal overthrow of the democratically elected government. and so i'm, you know, the groups i'm talking about 8 are probably a sector of all these people here and then are not shy in their ideological dispositions. and this is a well known in the west, but you wouldn't publix don't know it because it's overlooked or not seen is important to buy these or into a small number of individuals that always passing it off for some reason. but it's really quite poignant here on big 3 day in, in russia, when the west is supporting the kind of forces of the soviet union bank bank, which 77 years ago. go ahead max. it was the, the are of the policy making is the art off the right priority. so i want to go back to where i started with talking about the today's victory day is important in

the sense that it's reminder of the human sacrifice and the ability of the great ours to work together. i think as we move forward, any other less veterans per year from the war and the memory of that war is no longer fresh with the new generations. and, you know, the history of the worst obligated the history of the soviet american british alliance is complicated. so there was a on a number of occasions and appreciation on the part of moscow of the need for a new basis for russia, where stock ration made peace for speech and un general assembly in 2015. calling for a new anti hitler coalition against isis. now that did not work out, so we don't really see on the horizon and any that would potentially unite russia in the west. so the quality of the leads have changed in the west dramatically. and

the new release chosen the priority to, to, to, you know, and getting back to this domain upgrade. all right, russia, is it adversary in any. and every single tool in audiology is used to torpedo it. and you can hear it both the collateral damage and into the policy. you know what, you know? we've talked, we've talked about changing narratives and one of the narratives, even in my long spell in living in your country is that i see i see the commemorating victory de more is a victory of the, of the peoples of the soviet union of the russian in all other nationalities that sacrifice because that's the key word over and over again is sacrifice that was made here. and it is not to promote or venerate any kind of ideology. it's more a human suffering and sacrifice because it was the soviet union and it was

a communist country. but when we think about it now in 2022, it's more about sacrifice. would you agree with her? i will be in our leases and your muscle. mark, whatever they want to hear, a lot of want to be i don't want to see that was, you know, you are summarizing the car. i will say right there in the line and i wish there were russian people. you may all there are,

i don't know. sure. read all the readers neighbors. friends. i've already got to be realize it was a real and interesting way. i don't want to be made by all the line again. corey. we also and you know, maybe you know, so i call that point when we really was there, really so it's time for us to be there by our b. m x m a. and finally, in the, in the united nations security council passed a,

a resolution about ukraine. and it was, it was, it was, it wasn't very specific. i mean, the least, there was some kind of agreement here, but it's a, as we think about this day victory day, it really pains me that there are so little, little awareness that a major conflict is in the making. and i, and that's what we should, you know, that's what she considered today, what has been lost and what can be lost again. and i think we're still, we're still are not fairly safe for major conflict and trajectory of things in all this recent weeks. you know, new york times in talking about, you know, what they alleged real support of the us intelligence for any military operations can stop rushing. you know, brass and other is really, you know,

actually think in my view increasing the stuff like, right. our direct, right, our escalation clash. so i think that's why in my view what, what i just spoke, you know, the quality of the lease is so different from what we dealt with. you know, we'll work to shortly after the world war 2 or even in the late 9099. yes. so i personally, you know, saying that this time is hard times you know, usually give birth to greater leaders. i will say why and isn't why straight out here. yeah. big quality leadership in the west and it's nothing to write about as they say, well, i hope our viewers will take the take away from this program. is that the, the people of the soviet union, particularly the russian nation separate enormously and to see russia and

european neighbors where they are right now. it's really cause for concern parts. right? and that's all the time we have one of the, i guess here in mosque, i want to think our viewers watch here are see an ex family member of the the the for the moving the business. and you will clean the ready daily shoes on your medical graham. when you wrote, you just got to really just such a little ceiling, influential, so such for him was author of 2 different employ your throne with them the probably and you're still with the rules. you're here,

take you history as you are not the studies of play stuff coming to enough on ok which which longer it was just up and pushed him home because i knew a lot of colors don't wish to know for the donors i should just to do given me that you're going to use just opinion enough is come on when i would chose the wrong when i was just don't the room. yes. to fill out the thing because the kid an engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves worlds apart,

we choose to look for common ground. a with you to look up from where you live most always on noon. she doesn't be military and show on a nurse to me as possible. mama cook goose creek to somebody to look up to his ashley. uh this morning to work with you bring up with regards to my work phone. is that right? something? yeah. i had that week. i had that boy did that

with them. with questions the night on victory day with the parade's, any mortal regiments motto is taking place across the country. wondering both fallen and living soldiers. residents of the dumbass city of mo, opening, joining in the celebrations for the 1st time since the area was seized by the ukrainian military 8 years ago. there were chance that we are very sorry, that all this stopped in 2014. if we had gone further, maybe there would not have been so many victims. i mean, it's a holiday, it's not even a longing. this is a joy that overwhelms the soul. because for all 8 years, all of this was forbidden. here with qualities victor day address that in your portfolio, parallels between the common conflict and ukraine and the.