ah ah ah hello and welcome to cross stock, were all things considered? i'm peter lavelle. the group of 7 has vowed not to lead potent when his war against ukraine as the announced new restrictive measures. but what about the officially enforced narrative claiming ukraine is winning? the wes attempt to weaken russia have failed. in fact, the west is weakening itself with cross sucking the situation in ukraine. i'm joined by my guest,

george samuel in budapest. he's a podcast or at the goggle which can be found on youtube and locals in munich. we have bra, ralph niemeyer, he is a leader of a german resistance movement and in st. petersburg across to gilbert doctoral. he is an independent political analyst and author of memoirs of an ex pat manager in moscow during the 1990s. i gently cross stock rolls, in fact, that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate george. let me go to you 1st year. the g 7 is up to it. it's act again here is if anybody really cares what the g 7 says in war, but nonetheless, they have vowed that pigeon will not win his war against you. great. but what, what does that mean? what are they going to do about it? okay. other than inflict more misery on their own consumers and voters. go ahead, george. well, that's exactly right. that's all they have that disposal which is due in baker misery on the ukrainians. and of course on their own alexa was, and when the victor or man said the other day that an oily bob completely cutting

off from oil imports from russia will be like releasing a nuclear bomb and get them in or will speaking not just to get their ends, but for many europeans, this is an absolutely nonsensical idea of cutting yourself from energy employees to get them because they're simply the destruction of your own economists. and it's quite clear that there is no ready means at the european disposal to replace russian oil, replace russian guess. so, all of it is just simply call the e u m. in order to look on the line was supposed to be the chief executive of the human. she's the president of the european emission. she has no important mechanism . she got pools european to do one thing or another. she can talk along them out. but ultimately you're going to have to decide, are they going to stop? are they going to freeze? i was just going to bring their economists the whole or are they just going to live

their lives and then are going to follow the of the we're still on the line and the european emission and that's totally ukrainians. well, no one really cares very much about that. i mean, they just didn't count as part of the us nato agenda. well, i'm glad you brought that up gilbert, i mean, all of the russia now it's the most sanction country ever. okay. how is that help ukrainians at all? go ahead and st. petersburg. it doesn't. anyway, it's a curious thing that western analysts have spoken about the their, their appreciation, rushes military effort up till now. they say that is proven, rushes weakens. that's quite extraordinary because the, the russian effort has captured a territory about the size of the united kingdom since the start of the, of the special military operation. it's also bears mention that russia is certainly

the only country on earth. with the perhaps exception of china, which is able to withstand the sanctions from hill with united states and its allies that would have delivered, less often overlooked. so russia is proving itself to be strong in remarkable waste . and in ways that no one in europe could equal. and that very fact as to the hostility, the envy of european countries and their leaders with respect to russia. so as have been paradoxical, the russia strength sheets to these are, are these vicious, are information war efforts by europeans, amber united states, to compensate for their real loss of ground in the competition russian. ralph, let me go to you in munich, m. i, many of us would have expected the germans would play a much more prominent role instead of just being subservient to washington. because

germany is, has the most to lose and is losing the most. i would say, i mean, i've never seen a political class of a major country willing to turn off the switches for of their entire economy. because somebody with no with will no real power in brussels, told them to, oh, by the way, you know, i never thought i would have seen a german chancellor who i referred to as sergeant schultz on this program. being openly insulted by the president in the united states and get away with it. i mean, what kind of leadership does germany have? what kind of leadership does europe have? go ahead ralph. yeah, you just said right. we are obviously not our own man. and mr. charles is not his own man. when being on the international stage, he obviously took orders from washington and it became quite visible a couple of days ago. and he gave a speech addressing us germans in english. so we wonder whether he lost his

vocabulary book for us or but i use rather reporting back to washington because that's the truth. we are not submarines since the 990 is when we thought that we were suffering after the 2nd world war. and after the berlin wall had come down, that we would have our own stay to the nation, would be sovereign and we would get the peace tree to you eventually. but all of the nations that we harmed during the 2nd world war. and you now see that actually germany is doing exactly what washington wants them to do. first, they said we are not going to send any arms into conflict which is against our law and against the people. it's not actually it's against international law to do that . but suddenly we do it a week later, and there must have been some instructions from washington and they received them. and rom stain at the base here in germany from all american wars are still being

rout ralph. leave the behavior of the german government and other governments in the european union make them co belligerence and this conflict. i think that, you know, that should be take, be noted, particularly the because of the regime type in care by the germans of all people should be very aware of that. and then there, it's completely whitewash. we'll talk about white washing a little bit later. george, i want to go back to you again the g 7, you know, who must not wait and but i thought ukraine was winning. how do you explain this to me? maybe i missed something. go ahead. well, i say the boy that i. 2 the g 7 and the western powers can't really make up their mind. i is russia just this hopeless, mediocre militarily incompetent, demoralized chaotic st. that is being absolutely trounced and hammer by the plucky ukrainians. oh, does ukraine need oh,

when friends, desperately and you know, we need to send everything that we've got in order to ensure a potent doesn't prevail. they can't really get the narrative. right? and so they go for one to another just in order to persuade the public that somehow by sending in lots and lots of arms into ukraine, they are not actually endangering ok the safety of europeans and american, but georgia for judgment because my dad got charged me for 8 years, nato has been training the ukranian army for 8 years. arms have been pouring into, you grain, i mean so more training, more arms. let me throw that to gilbert here. i mean that there's that we've been doing the western powers have been doing this for 8 years, and this is the result they're getting. so why would you cite pouring bad money in after reporting? good money after bad money. go ahead in st. petersburg and effectiveness doesn't

exist in vocabulary of the european leaders. they are posture all of the she weapons which are been sent to us till recently have been oh, they haven't been ineffective. and they have been delivering the way where they are destroyed on arrival. that does not bother a fluster. the, the western presidents and prime ministers, a very concerned with their relationship with united states, not really with their relationship with ukraine. and they want a demonstration of bid one another. well, i mean about ralph. i mean, what, what does ukraine mean to the german people? i mean, if you could speak for your entire people or just yourself here, but i mean, why is germany willing to sacrifice so much for

a country that has no strategic value whatsoever to germany or the west? well i, as i said before, i believe that this is a do orders of someone else. germany is particularly not interested in ukraine. the hardly know much about it. i mean our culture is so different. you think that polish people are closer to vest ukrainians, but even there i see a lot of differences, but here in germany, people are saying okay, people are suffering to let's take them on the refugees. we want to help. we want to look good with that and all that. yes. but on the other hand, we don't understand as a german people who ukrainians are and what they are. and not many of us even recall the recent history from a 100 years ago or from 77 years ago. mean last night we had the ambassador of ukraine on the german tv show, again that he's,

mr. malik is quite extra in this sense that he's accusing paper and he said to openly read germans, we would owe them for $10000000.00 soldiers who lost their lives and freeing astronauts as he's turning it completely around. i mean, i've been there on the outro nationalist lead of, of ukraine at that time was the strong ally of mr. hitler. so who fought guns to here and who freed us? i mean, i wish that there would be clarity, at least here in germany on that matter because we wanted to be freed from fashions, but missed them a lot certainly did not do the opposite. yeah. george, i mean we, you and i have talked about at the, at the, the gaggle or a podcast, how the narratives have been flipped. ok, where the good guys are now. the good guys are now the bad guys. a bad guys are now

the good guys. go ahead. 15 seconds before we go to the break. and if you listen to start your also speech on the day. he kind of pretty much suggested that somehow germany was one of the good guys in well to and the russians. well, the bad guys and somehow, you know, the, i thought, oh, that thought hold that, that we have to go to hard break. and that's about hard break, will continue our discussion on the situation and you can say without ah ah, a spoke with with both both the models you need to do both got nothing new

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. okay, go back to gilbert in st. petersburg. and in the 1st part of the program we were talking about who's giving orders to whom. here you have a dissenting opinion. go right ahead. i can say definitely who is getting directions to mister shows, but i would like to introduce a very important situation that in greece is in government . and he was dependent on agreements of the rings because of the greens are not just the greens were founded by you and ruby to read. and they had a program which included a bar and then forward policy positions were always very anti rushing. the last 20 years and the german agrees, and then the most bowl in attacking russia in trying to sanction russia therefore,

should come as no surprise that when the degrees became full members coalition. and at the last elections in germany, they had come in with a strongly russian position. they needed. no, not the question is stronger than the government. i think we standing in officials a very we personality and it is, is colleagues in the cabinet from the green part, ignorant experience and the long story themselves to be stupid. they are determined yet, and they are totally well, i actually ralph, i, i, i very much agree with gilbert in the position of the green party. however, i would add another layer to that is that washington is never like social democrats

. okay at all. okay. they've always been very suspicious where they're getting it, they're going to make a deal with, you know, it goes all back to keep the russians out, the germans band and the americans and the social democrats always challenge it one way or another. go ahead, ralph. yeah, actually i do agree with both of you. i mean, the green party that i knew was pedro carr. and kennedy, 40 years ago, i interviewed her as a young journalist and she was demonstrating and, and ramstein as well as a lot against the deployment of pershing. yep. rockets and so on and cruise missiles and, and so on. so that is a long way the greens have come when the 999, the cause of what war broke out and the 1st ever german military direct military participation after 1945. this was done by schroeder and fish fish at the green, foreign minister at the time,

who made that shift and who actually he vowed that he would never have out with happened again saying there were concentration camps run by subs in the territory of the federal republic. of yugoslavia and in kosovo and which was not true. it's a bit like the situation we have now. we start where they say that we're war crimes committed. well the well route you're going exactly way want to go. i want to talk about the information more. let me go to george here. that's one thing that we keep hearing george over the russians have lost the information more. well, i mean, if you're in the west, it's all dissent any, any contrary in view of the situation, that's a new grain is shut down. i mean, then what's the point of having an information more of one side can speak, and that's essentially what is happened. go ahead, george. it's worse than that. it's not just that they close down t and,

and when the band, any access to russia, media in the west, western governments are also the asian, isn't the boss of smearing operations. there are any number of organizations and things thanks from the by western government and the e. you, whose sole purpose is to go around writing reports about who to box on the net or criminal this information ages the russian tools of this information. that's what they do. they are lavishly funded by the european government, the government, and they probably these reports completely worthless, but they serve to great this, the atmosphere, that is the soonest, the russian boss all over the place, putting out all kinds of this information, trying to all the western public so yeah,

i mean then that is what happens then is people don't want to listen to that and they just listed exclusively to the absolute nonsense told by western governance of case in point. yes. so they, they speak on may the 9 delivered by british defense minister ben wallace, in which not only of course, like russia to not be germany. he actually went to the mean and disparaged performance of the red army. and we'll go to, but him, you know, the soviet performers, the pretty much smaller to read than trop back and then styling spending millions of people to perish before the german time. so that's the way the russians like that. they just spend millions of people because they don't care about, you know, they just, it's just a matter of humanity. that's what you get. effect winning information. we're okay. it just,

it juice. yeah. big like it. but it just shows their weakness. that's why they, they believe in censorship because they don't want to counter argument, you know, gilbert, one of the things that very frustrating for me as our, our on december 17th when the, the russian center ultimatums. because that's what they were one to the on nato. and went to the united states. now, you know, you can go and lease, you could go to the the kremlin website. you could go to task dot com, and you would get all of these documents. i had guessed after guess before 2 of february 24th. but you are not messaging, we don't know what that, what's in boot didn't head on. why did you just go and read to press come friends, why don't you read the press release? it was all out that was all out there on display. george and i have talked about this countless number of times. you're surprised they did. they telegraphed. they were going to do from the very beginning. nobody listened in with this information warren and shut down a for of dissenting views. we said it's only going to get worse. go ahead gilbert.

well, i think we have to put information more information or substitutes for a real or it is a virtual world. and that is the bow in which was most of the united states exists. united states for last 30 years has been capable real ground war. and so this is taking place. i wouldn't get too excited. but russia, ruling information were considering where we had been since much against the notion that russia would be given a fair hearing of any con, it's excluded. however, in the real world, what county at the end of the day do some ground, and what russia does not do to achieve its objectives, which one might say right now we're pretty clear it is to pay and keep control of the south and east of ukraine and to keep the train from the black sea and to

limit the grim that it is not read to russia anytime in the future. so the real world, so what's on the ground? we'll see how it works. and they're being given every chance to succeed. because we are just 6 or western supplies to ukraine already. anyway, they are very effective. finally, you know, relevant in the western media coverage of this is just simply appalling. and it's obviously intentional. my position is always been, it's rushes time table and russia will determine the outcome when it's ready when it wants to do that. but, you know, one of the things that is never really talked about is that why did we get into this situation? the 1st place because of insecurity in europe, that the, the very poor security infrastructure that allowed the to happen and russia will,

it will make the, will not offer negotiations. it will say these are our conditions and these will, will be met. it will be another ultimatum. and i think europe is not prepared or even willing to think about that. go ahead, ralph. yeah, you're absolutely right here as well. now, what i have to note is that there's a rewriting of history at the moment. yep. i mean, we see and all our papers here in germany, especially those who are close to the green party. i liked tots, the target sideshow. they are kind of scripting what mrs. burbock is saying, and even what mr. charles is going to say they're putting in this context run to say, starting had already planned to begin a war valid before hitler rose to power. no, this was yesterday on the headline. so they're comparing putin. ida was started.

busy with hitler, but sometimes they're not clear about mr. fonts likes to link them to, to hitler and, you know, george, you and i've got, we've crossed this bridge before. okay. i mean, i remember in the new york review book, it was like in what was it like 19919293, something like that. okay. you know, a new, revisionist, this is happening again except for what the differences in some of those were crazy academics. now politicians are in, i'm in, in, in on it to go ahead. george. it is no question of that. and that was in the next 1020 years. the willfully, a historical anti historical germans will convince themselves that they were actually victims. i've been well to that. they were actually the victims of aggression by silent when jackson you went on the german t, v. i'm pretty much told them that you, that this is what the soviet committed these terrible atrocities against you.

when they invaded berlin, he knew his audience again yesterday, a may, the 9th ben wallace and his speech. he started talking about the whole rig a race and models that were committed by the red army when he was liberating europe from fascism. so that this and now you know, we would look back on local to who were the good guys with a bad guy. and yeah, george, what do you bet? a batch a couple of beers on this one before it's all said and done. it was the, the russians that trick the japanese into attacking pearl harbor. that's the history. you know, it sounds comical right now, but we're debt, we're going down that path that we're a very, a historical one when you, when you're a historical, you're looking for catastrophe. gentlemen. that's all the time we have. many thanks to my guess in budapest, munich, and in st. petersburg. and thanks to our viewers for watching us here, are the see you next time?

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