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ah hello and welcome to cross talk. we're all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle . the group of 7 has vowed not to lead putin when his war against ukraine as the announced new restrictive measures. but what about the officially enforced narrative claiming ukraine is winning? the wes attempt to weaken russia had failed. in fact, the west is weakening itself with cross stocking the situation in ukraine. i'm joined by my guest, george samuel in budapest. he's a pod counselor at the gaggle which can be found on youtube and locals in munich. we have bra, ralph niemeyer. he is a leader of

a german resistance movement and in st. petersburg across to gilbert doctorow. he is an independent political analyst and author of memoirs of an ex pat manager in moscow during the 1990. sorry, gentleman cross talk roles. in fact, that means you can jump anytime you want, and i always appreciate george. let me go to you 1st year. the g 7 is up to it. it's act again here is if anybody really cares what the g 7 says in war. but nonetheless, a, they have vowed that putin will not win his war against you. great. but what, what does that mean? what are they going to do about it? okay. other than inflict more misery on their own consumers and voters. go ahead, george. well, that's exactly right, that's all they have that disposal which is do if they can misery on the ukrainians and of course on their own alexis. and when victor or band said the other day that an oily mago completely cutting off from oil imports from russia will be like, leasing you bomb on the gear with me or was speaking not just to get here is but

for many europeans, this is an absolutely nonsensical idea of cutting yourself from energy import, because it is simply the destruction of your own a column is and it's quite clear that there was no ready means at the european disposal to replace russian oil, replace russian guys. so all of it is just simply call the e u m. in order to look on the line was supposed to be the chief executive of the year, which is the president of the european commission. she has no enforcement mechanism . she can't pools european to do one thing or another, she can talk along them. but ultimately you're gonna have to decide, are they going to stop? are they going to freeze? i was just gonna bring their economists the whole or are they just going to live their lives and then are going to follow the big or still of on the line and the

european emission and actually ukrainian. well, i know one really cares very much about that. i mean, they just didn't count as part of the us nato agenda. well, i'm glad you brought that up. gilbert. i mean, all of the russia now is the most sanction country ever. okay. how does that help the ukrainians at all go ahead and st. petersburg. it doesn't any way. it's a curious thing that western's analysts have spoken about the their, their appreciation, russia's military effort up till now. they say that is proven, rushes weakens. that's quite extraordinary because the, the russian effort has captured a territory about the size of the united kingdom since the start of the, of the special military operation. it's also bears mention that russia is certainly the only country on earth with perhaps the exception of china, which is able to withstand the sanctions from hill with united states and its

allies that we have delivered us often overlooked. so russia is proving itself to be strong in remarkable waste and in ways that no one in europe could equal. and that very fact as to the hostility, the envy of european countries and their leaders with respect to russia. so it's been paradoxical. the russia strength sheets to these are these vicious, are information war efforts by europeans on both united states to compensate for their real loss of ground in the competition with russia. ralph, let me go to you and munich, m. i. many of us would have expected, the germans would play a much more prominent role instead of just being subservient to washington. because germany is, has the most to lose and is losing the most. i would say, i mean,

i've never seen a political class of a major country willing to turn off the switches for of their entire economy because somebody with no, with real, no real power in brussels, told them too, oh and oh, by the way, you know, i never thought i would have seen a german chancellor who i referred to as sergeant schultz on this program, beep openly insulted by the president in the united states and get away with it. i mean, what kind of leadership does germany have? what kind of leadership does europe have? go ahead, ralph. yeah, you just said right. we are obviously not our own man, and mr. charles is not his own man. then being on the international stage, he obviously took orders from washington and it became quite visible. a couple of days ago when he gave a speech addressing us germans in english. so we wonder whether he lost his vocabulary book for us or but i use rather reporting back to washington because

that's the truth. we are not submarines since the 900 ninety's. when we thought that we were suffering after the 2nd world war, and after the berlin wall had come down, that we would have our own stay to the nation would and be sovereign and we would get the peace tree to you eventually. but all of the nations that we harmed during the 2nd world war. and you now see that actually germany is doing exactly what washington wants them to do. first, they said we are not going to send any arms into conflict which is against our law and against the people. it's not actually it's against international law to do that . but suddenly we do it a week later. and there must have been some instructions from washington and they received them and ram stain at the base here in germany. from all american wars are still being rout wealth. leave the behavior of the german government and other

governments in the european union make them co belligerence and this conflict. i think that, you know, that should be take, be noted, particularly the because of the regime type in care by the germans of all people should be very aware of that. and in there it's completely whitewashed. we'll talk about white washing a little bit later. george, i want to go back to you again the g 7, you know, who must not win, but i thought ukraine was winning. how do you explain this to me? maybe i missed something. go ahead. well, let's say the boy that is on the g 7 and the western powers can't really make up their mind. i is russia just this hopeless, mediocre militarily incompetent, demoralized chaotic state that is being absolutely trounced and hammer by the plucky ukrainians. oh, does ukraine need and desperately and you know,

we need to send everything that we've got in order to ensure a potent doesn't prevail. they can't really get the narrative. right? and so they go for one to another just in order to persuade the public that somehow by sending in lots and lots of arms into ukraine, they are not actually endangering ok the city of europeans and america. but george forgot it because they got charged. but for 8 years, nato has been training the ukranian army for 8 years. arms have been pouring into, you grain. i mean so more training, more arms. let me throw that to gilbert here. i mean there's, there's that we've been doing the western powers have been doing this for 8 years, and this is the result they're getting. so why would you fight pouring bad money or after the reporting good money after bad money, go ahead in st. petersburg and effectiveness doesn't exist in vocabulary of the european leaders. they are posture is all postural

d v m. what does this richard been sent to us till recently? have been oh, they haven't been ineffective and they have been delivering the way where they are destroyed upon arrival. that does not bother a fluster. the, the western presidents and prime ministers, a very concerned with their relationship with united states, not really with their relationship with ukraine. and they want a demonstration of bid one another. well, i mean about ralph, i mean, what, what does ukraine mean to the german people? i mean, if you could speak for your entire people or just yourself here, but i mean, why is germany willing to sacrifice so much for a country that has no strategic value whatsoever to germany or the west? well i, as i said before, i believe that this is

a do orders of someone else. germany is particularly not interested in ukraine. the hardly know much about it. i mean our culture is so different. you think that polish people are closer to vest ukrainians, but even there i see a lot of differences, but here in germany, people are saying okay, people are suffering. busy let's take them on this refugees. we want to help. we want to look good with that and all that. yes. but on the other hand, we don't understand as a german people who ukrainians are and what they are. and not many of us even recall the recent history from a 100 years ago or from 77 years ago. mean last night we had the ambassador of ukraine on the german tv show, again that he's, mr. malik is quite extra in this sense that he's accusing paper and he said to openly the germans,

we would owe them for 10000000 soldiers who lost their lives and freeing us from naps as a he's turning it completely around, i mean, stefan bun dera, the ultra nationalist leader of ukraine at that time was the strong ally of mr. hitler. so who fought to guns to here and who freed us. i mean, i wish that there would be clarity at least here in germany on that matter because we wanted to be freed from fascism. but mr. ma certainly did not do the opposite. yeah, george, i mean we, you and i have talked about at the, at the, the gaggle or a podcast, how the narratives have been flipped. ok, where the good guys are now. the good guys are now the bad guys. bad guys are now the good guys. go ahead. 15 seconds before we go to the break. and if you listen to your show speech on d e day,

he kind of pretty much suggested that somehow germany was one of the good guys in the world war 2 and the russians. well, the bad guys that somehow, you know, the, i thought i saw all that thought hold that, that we have to go to hard, break them out about hard break. we'll continue our discussion on the situation and you can stay with ah, in each come to russian state. little, never, i've side on the northland scheme, devastation sunset for a group in the 55 when. okay, so mine is group i'm speaking with. we

will van in the european union, the kremlin. yup, machine. the state aunt rush up to date and c r t spoke neck, given our video agency, roughly all band to on youtube and pinterest. and we could push it big if, if even close with a welcome back to crossing. were all things are considered on peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing the situation in ukraine. ah. okay, go back to gilbert in st. petersburg. and the 1st part of the program we were talking about who's giving orders to whom. here you have a dissenting opinion. go right ahead. i can say

definitely who was getting directions to mister shows, but i would like to introduce a very important situation that in greece is in government and he was dependent on agreement. so the range because of the greens are not just the greens were founded by ruby to read and they had a program which included of our foreign policy positions were always very anti rushing the last 20 years. and the german greens and then the most bull in attacking russia in trying to sanction russia. therefore, it should come as no surprise that when the degrees, the game full members coalition. and at the last

elections injury, they have come in with a strongly russian position. they needed not the question is, who is stronger than the government? i think we're sending it officials very we personality and colleagues in the cabinet from the green part, ignorant experience and long story themselves to be suited to turn. yep. and they are totally well i actually ralph, i, i, i very much agree with gilbert, the position of the green party. however, i would add another layer to that is that washington is never like social democrats . okay at all. okay. they've always been very suspicious. they're getting it, they're going to make a deal with, you know, it goes all back. they keep the russians out, the germans bad, and the americans in and the social democrats always challenge it one way or

another. go ahead, ralph. yeah, actually i do agree with both of you. i mean, the green party that i knew was pedro car in canada. 40 years ago i interviewed her as a young journalists. and she was demonstrating and, and ramstein as well as in mood, learned against the deployment of pershing. yep. rockets and so on, and cruise missiles and so on. so that is a long way the greens have come when the 999 because of what war broke out. and with the 1st ever german military direct military participation after 945, this was done by schroeder and fish fish or the green foreign minister at that time . who made that shift and who actually he vowed that he would never have out with happen again. saying there were concentration camps run by subs in the

territory of the. busy federal republic of yugoslavia and in kosovo and which was not true. it's a bit like the situation we have now. we were. busy they say that were war crimes committed. well, route you're going exactly want to go. i want to talk about the information where let me go to george here. that's one thing that we keep hearing george over the russians have lost the information more. well, i mean, if you're in the west, it's all dissent any, any contrary in view of the situation, that's a new grain is shut down. i mean, then what's the point of having an information more of one side can speak, and that's essentially what has happened. go ahead, george. it's worse than that. it's not just that they close down t and, and when the band, any access to russia, media in the west, western governments are also engaged and isn't the last of mary operations. there

are any number of organizations and things thanks from the by western government and the e. you, whose sole purpose is to go around writing reports about who to box on the net or criminal this information agents are the russian tools of this information. that's what they do. they are lavishly funded by the european government, the government, and they probably these reports completely worthless, but they serve to great this, the acquisition, this as soon as the russian boss all over the place, putting out all kinds of this information, trying to all the western public so yeah, i mean, then that is what happens then is people don't want to listen to that and they just listed exclusively to the absolute nonsense told by western government the case in point. yes. so they,

they speak on may the 9th delivered by british defense minister ben wallace, in which he was like russia to not be germany. and he actually went to the mean and disparaged performance of the red army. and we'll go to, but him, you know, the soviet performers, the pretty much smaller to read than trop, back and then styling, sending millions of people to perish before the german times, all the way the russians like that. they just send millions of people because they don't care about, you know, they just, it's just a matter of humanity. that's what you get. effect winning information were okay. it just it juice. yeah. big lie. it. but it, it shows their weakness. that's why they, they believe in censorship because they don't want to counter argument, you know, gilbert, one of the things is very frustrating for me as our, our on december 17th when the,

the russian center ultimatums. because that's what they were one to the on nato. and went to the united states. now, you know, you can go and lease, you could go to the the kremlin website. you could go to task dot com, and you would get all of these documents. i had guessed after guess before 2 of february 24th. but you are not messaging, we don't know what that, what's in putins head on. why did you just go and read to press come friends, why don't you read the press release? it was all out that was all out there on display. george and i have talked about this countless number of times. you're surprised they did. they telegraphed. they were going to do from the very beginning. nobody listened in with this information warren and shut down of for of dissenting views. we said it's only going to get worse. go ahead gilbert. well, i think we have to put information more information or substitutes for a real or is a virtual world. and that is the ball in which was most of the united states

exists. the united states for last 30 years has been capable real ground war. and so this is taking place. i wouldn't get too excited. but russia, ruling information were considering where we had been since much against the notion that russia would be given a fair hearing of any con, is excluded. however, in the real world, what will count at the end of the day, some ground, and what russia does not do to achieve its objectives, which one might say right now, we're pretty clear it is to pay and keep control and ukraine and to keep the train from the black sea and to limit the grid that it is not a good read to russia anytime in the future. so real world, so what's on the ground?

we'll see how it works. and they're given every chance to succeed. because we are 6 or western supplies to ukraine. alright. anyway, very ineffective. finally, you know, ralph of the western media coverage of this is just simply appalling and it's obviously intentional. my position is always been, it's rushes time table and russia will determine the outcome when it's ready when it wants to do that. but, you know, one of the things that is never really talked about is that why did we get into this situation? the 1st place because of insecurity in europe, the, the, the very poor security infrastructure that allowed the to happen. and russia will, it will make the, will not offer negotiations. it will say these are our conditions and these will, will be met. it will be another ultimatum. and i think europe is not prepared or

even willing to think about that. go ahead, ralph. yeah, you're absolutely right here as well. now, what i have to note is that there's a rewriting of history at the moment. yep. i mean, we see, and in all our papers here in germany, especially those who are close to the green party, i like tots the targets side. so they, they are kind of scripting what mrs. burbock is saying, and even what mr. charles is going to say they're putting and in this context read is say starting had already planned to begin a war valid before hitler rose to power. no, this was yesterday on the headline. so they're comparing food and i was started. busy with hitler, but sometimes they're not care about mr. shawn's likes to link him to, to hitler, and you know, on george, you and i have come, we've crossed this bridge before. okay. i mean, i remember in the new york review, but it was like in what was it like 19919293, something like that. okay. you know,

a new, revisionist a and this is happening again except for what the differences in some of those were crazy academics. now politicians are in, i'm in, in, in on it to go ahead. george. it is no question of that. and that within the next 1020 years, the willfully a historical anti historical germans will convince themselves that they were actually victims. i've been well to that. they were actually the victims of aggression by silence. when jackson you went on the german t, v, i'm pretty much told them that this is what the soviet committed these terrible atrocities against you when they invaded berlin in you know, his audience. and i, again, yesterday a may, the 9th ben wallace and his speech. he started talking about the whole rig arrays

and models that were committed by the red army when he was liberating europe from fascism. so that this and now you know, we look back on world war 2, who are the good guys with a bad guy at george? what do you bet, a batch a couple of beers on this one before it's all said and done. it was the, the russians the trick, the japanese into attacking pearl harbor, bad stuff. oh, history. i know it sounds comical right now, but we're debt. we're going down that path that we're a very, a historical one. when you're, when you're a historical, you're looking for catastrophe. gentlemen, that's all the time we have many thanks to my guess in budapest, munich, and in st. petersburg. and thanks to our viewers for watching us here, are the see you next time. remember, cross move

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