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. the group of 7 has vowed not to lead potent when his war against ukraine as the announced new restrictive measures. but what about the officially enforced narrative claiming ukraine is winning? the wes attempt to weaken russia have failed. in fact, the west is weakening itself with raw, sucking the situation in ukraine. i'm joined by my guest, george samuel in budapest. he's a podcast or at the goggle which can be found on youtube and locals in munich. we have our ralph niemeyer, he is a leader of a german resistance movement and in st. petersburg across to gilbert doctorow. he is an independent political analyst and author of memoirs of an ex pat manager in moscow during the 1990s. i gently cross stock rolls. in fact, that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate george. let me go to you 1st. here are the g 7 is up to it. it's act again here is if anybody really cares what the g and says they are, but nonetheless,

they have vowed that pose, you will not win his war against the great what, what does that mean? what are they going to do about it? okay. other than inflict more misery on their own consumers and voters. go ahead, george. well, that's exactly right. that's all they have disposable which is do they can misery on the ukrainian and of course on their own was and when a victim or band said the other day, that's an oily mago completely cutting off from oil imports from russia will be like leasing a nuclear bomb on the gear or will speaking not just one gear ends, but for many europeans. this is an absolutely nonsensical idea of cutting yourself from energy employees to get them because they're simply the destruction of your own economists. and it's quite clear that there is no ready means at the european

disposal to replace russian oil, replace russian gas. so all of it is just simply call the e u horse. look on the line was supposed to be the chief executive of the use, the president of the european emission. she has no important mechanism kick off call european to do one thing or another. she can talk along and out. but ultimately you're gonna have to decide, are they going to stop? are they going to freeze? i was just going to bring their economists the whole or are they just going to live their lives and then are going to follow the big we're still on the line and the european emission and actually ukrainians. well, no one really cares very much about that. i mean, they just didn't count on all the part of the us, the nato agenda. well, i'm glad you brought that up gilbert. i mean, all of the russia now, it's the most sanction country ever. okay. how does that help you craniums at all?

go ahead and st. petersburg, it doesn't say any way. it's a curious thing that western analysts have spoken above the their, their appreciation of russia's military effort until now. they say that is proven, rushes weakens. that's quite extraordinary because the rule of the russian effort has captured a territory about the size of the united kingdom since the start of the, of the special military operation. it's also bears mention that russia is certainly the only country on earth with the perhaps exception of china, which is able to withstand the sanctions from hill with united states and its allies that would have delivered, less often overlooked. so russia is proving itself to be strong in remarkable waste and in ways that no one in europe could equal. and that very fact as to the hostility, the envy of european countries and their leaders with respect to russia. so it's

been paradoxical. the russia strength sheets to these are, are these vicious information war efforts by europeans, anybody united states to compensate for their real loss of ground in the competition of russia. ralph, let me go to you in munich. m a. i don't, many of us would have expected the germans would play a much more prominent role instead of just being subservient to washington. because germany is, has the most to lose and is losing the most. i would say, i mean, i've never seen a political class of a major country willing to turn off the switches for of their entire economy because somebody with no will no real power in brussels, told them to, oh, by the way, you know, i never thought i would have seen a german chancellor who i referred to as sergeant schultz on this program, beep openly insulted by the president in the united states and get away with it. i

mean, what kind of leadership is germany have? what kind of leadership is europe have? go ahead, ralph. yeah, you just said right, we are obviously not our own man, and mr. charles is not his own man. then. being on the international stage, he obviously took orders from washington and it became quite visible a couple of days ago when he gave a speech addressing the germans in english. so we wonder whether he lost his vocabulary book for us or, but i use rather reporting back to washington because that's the truth. we are not submarines since the 990. when we thought that we were suffering after the 2nd world war, and after the berlin wall had come down, that we would have our own stay to the nation and be sovereign and we would get to peace tree to you eventually. but all the nations that we harmed during the

2nd world war. and you now see that actually germany is doing exactly what washington wants them to do. first, they said we are not going to send any arms into conflict which is against our law and against the people. actually it's against international law to do that. but suddenly we do it a week later and there must have been some instructions from washington and they received them and ram stain at the base. here in germany, from all american wars are still being acute route, wealth, leave the behavior of the german government, and other governments in the european union make them co belligerence and this conflict. i think that, you know, that should be take, be noted, particularly the because of the regime type in care by the germans of all people should be very aware of that. and then there, it's completely whitewash. we'll talk about white washing a little bit later. george, i want to go back to you again the g 7, you know,

who must not win, but i thought ukraine was winning. how do you explain this to me? maybe i missed something. go ahead. let's say the boy that is on the g 7 and the west. the palace can't really make up their mind. i is russia just this hopeless, mediocre militarily incompetent, demoralized chaotic state that is being absolutely trounced and hammer by the plucky ukrainians. oh, does ukraine need? oh, when friends, desperately and you know, we need to send everything that we've got in order to ensure a potent doesn't prevail. they can't really get the narrative. right. and so they go for one to another just in order to persuade the public that somehow by sending in lots and lots of arms into ukraine, they are not actually endangering ok the safety of europeans and america. but

george, for john, because my dad got charged me for 8 years. nato has been training the ukranian army for 8 years. arms have been pouring into, you grain. i mean so more training, more arms. let me throw that to gilbert here. i mean that there's something that we've been doing the western powers have been doing this for 8 years, and this is the result they're getting. so why would you say pouring bad money in after reporting? good money after bad money. go ahead in st. petersburg or effectiveness doesn't exist in vocabulary of the european leaders. they are posture, all pastoral. d v, a weapons. richard been sent to us till recently have been oh, they haven't been ineffective and they have been delivering the way where they are destroyed on arrival. that does not bother a fluster. the,

the western presidents and prime ministers, a very concerned with their relationship with united states, not really with their relationship with ukraine. and they want a demonstration of bid one another. well, i mean about ralph. i mean, what, what does ukraine mean to the german people? i mean, if you could speak for your entire people or just yourself here, but i mean, why is germany willing to sacrifice so much for a country that has no strategic value whatsoever to germany or the west? well i, as i said before, i believe that this is a do orders of someone else. germany is particularly not interested in ukraine. we hardly know much about it. i mean our culture. ringback is so different to think that polish people are closer to vest ukrainians, but even there i see a lot of differences. but here in germany, people are saying okay,

people are suffering to let's take them on the refugees. we want to help, we want to look good with that and all that. yes. but on the other hand, we don't understand as a german people who ukrainians are and what they are. and not many of us even recall the recent history from a 100 years ago or from 77 years ago. mean last night we had the ambassador of ukraine on the german tv show, again that he's, mr. malik is quite extra tenant in this sense that he's accusing paypal and he said to openly the germans, we would owe them for $10000000.00 soldiers who lost their lives and freeing astronauts as a he's turning it completely around, i mean, stefan bun, dera, the outer nationalist leader of, of ukraine at that time was the strong ally of mr. hitler. so who fought guns to

here and who freed us? i mean, i wish that there would be clarity, at least here in germany on that matter because we wanted to be freed from fascism . but mr. ma certainly did not do the opposite. yeah, george, i mean we were, you and i have talked about at the, at the, the gaggle or podcast, how the narratives have been flipped. ok, where the good guys are now. the good guys are now the bad guys. bad guys are now the good guys. go ahead. 15 seconds before we go to the break. a show speech on the day. he kind of pretty much suggested that somehow germany was one of the good guys in the to and the russians. well, the bad guys and somehow you know, the price. oh that thought hold that, that we have to go to a hard break about hard break. will continue our discussion on the situation and you can stay with

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welcome act across stock, where all things are considered on peter level. to remind you, we're discussing the situation in ukraine. ah. okay, go back to gilbert in st. petersburg. and the 1st part of the program we were talking about who's giving orders to whom. here you have a dissenting opinion. go right ahead. i can say definitely who is getting directions to mr. shots, but i would like to do is a very important consideration that in degrees in government and he was dependent on agreements of the range because our agreements are not just agreement. we're bounded by your vision and

really to read. and they had a program which included of our policy positions were always very me and entire brushing the last 20 years and the german greens and then the most bowl in attacking russia in trying to sanction russia. therefore, it should come as no surprise that when the greens, the game full members coalition and at the last election to ensure they have come in with a strong weak russian position. they need it, no not states. the question is, who is stronger than the government? i think we are sending in additional very we personality and it is colleagues in the cabinet from the green part,

ignorant experience and long story themselves to be stupid, but they are turner and they are totally anti well i actually ralph, i, i, i very much agree with gilbert and the position of the green party. however, i would add another layer to that. is it, washington is never like social democrats. ok at all. okay. they've always been very suspicious. they're getting it. they're going to make a deal with, you know, it goes all back to keep the russians out, the germans bad and the american then, and the social democrats always challenge it one way or another. go ahead, ralph. yeah, actually i do agree with both of you. i mean, the green party that i knew was pedro car and kathy 40 years ago, i interviewed her as a young journalist and she was demonstrating and ramstein as well as it moved against the deployment of pershing. yep. rockets and so on and cruise missiles and so on. so that is

a long way. the greens have come when the 999 because of what war broke out and the 1st german military direct military participation after 945. this was done by florida and fish fish at the green, foreign minister at that time, who made them shipped and who actually he vowed that he would never have out with happened again saying there were concentration camps run by subs in the territory of the. busy federal republic of yugoslavia and kosovo, and which was not true. it's a bit like the situation we have now. we start where they say that were war crimes committed. well the well route you're going exactly way want to go. i want to talk about the information where let me go to george here. that's one thing that we keep hearing charge over the russians have lost the information war. well, i mean, if you're in the west, it's all dissent any,

any contrary and view on the situation that's ukraine is shut down. i mean, then what's the point of having an information more of one side can speak, and that's essentially what is happened. go ahead, george. it's worse than that. it's not just that they closed down t and, and when the band, any access to russia, media in the western governments are also the asian, isn't the boss of smearing operations. there are any number of organizations and things, things from the by western governments and the e. you, whose sole purpose is to go around writing reports about who to box on the net or criminal this information. agents, you know, the russian tools of this information. that's what they do. they are lavishly funded by the european government, the government,

and they probably these reports completely worthless, but they serve to great is the atmosphere that as soon as the russian boss all over the place, putting out all kinds of this information, trying to all the western complex so yeah, i mean, then that is what happens then. people don't want to listen to that and they just, exclusively, to the absolute nonsense, told by western governance of case in point. yes, they oh, they speak on may the 9th delivered by british defense minister ben wallace, in which he not only with like russia to not be germany. he actually went to the mean and disparage the performance of the red army and we'll go to for him. you know, the soviet performance was pretty much smaller than trop back and then styling,

sending millions of people to perish before the german times, all the way the russians like that. they just send millions of people because they don't care about, you know, they just, it's just a matter of humanity. that's what you get. effect winning information. we're okay. it just situates. yeah. think like it but it, it shows their weakness. that's why they, they believe in censorship because they don't want to counter argument, you know, gilbert, one of the things that very frustrating for me as our, our on december 17th, when the russian center ultimatums. because that's what they were one to the on nato. and one to the united states. now, you know, you can go at least you could go to the, the kremlin website, you could go to task dot com, and you would get all of these documents. i had guessed after guess before 2 of february 24th. but you are not messaging, we don't know what that, what's in putins head on. why did you just go and read, depress. com, friends. when you read the press release,

it was all out that was all out there on display. george. and i have talked about this countless number of times. you're surprised they did, they telegraphed, they were going to do from the very beginning. nobody listened in with this information warren and shut down of for of dissenting views. we said it's only going to get worse. go ahead gilbert. well, i think we have to put the information, information or substitutes for a real, or it is a virtual world. and that is the bo in which was most of the united states exists. the united states for last 30 years running the real ground war. and so this is taking place, i wouldn't get too excited. but roger ruling information were considering where we had been since the notion of russia would be given a fair hearing of any con, is excluded. however, in the real world,

what will count at the end of the day on the ground, and what russia does or does not do to achieve its objectives, which one might say i was pretty clear it is to take and keep control. and to do crane, and to keep the frame from the black sea and to limit the grid that it is not a good read to russia at any time in the future. so real world, so some ground we'll see how it works and they're being given every chance to succeed because we are just 6 or western wise to ukraine. alright. anyway, very effective. finally, you know, ralph of the western media is coverage of this is just simply appalling and it's obviously intentional. my position is always been,

it's rushes time table and russia will determine the outcome when it's ready when it wants to do that. but, you know, one of the things that is never really talked about is that, why did we get into this situation, the 1st place, because of insecurity in europe though, the, the very poor security infrastructure that allowed the to happen. and russia will, it will make the, will not offer negotiations. it will say these are our conditions and these will, will be met. it will be another ultimatum. and i think europe is not prepared or even willing to think about that. go ahead ralph. yeah, you're absolutely right here as well. now, what i have to note is that there's a rewriting of history at the moment. i mean, we see, and all our papers here in germany, especially those who are close to the green party. like tuts, the target side they, they kind of scripting what mrs. bear buck is saying,

and even what mr. charles is going to say putting and in this context read it. they started and had already planned to begin the war before hitler rose to power. you know, this was yesterday on the headline, so they're having put in either with started or with hitler. sometimes they're not care about of mr. phones likes to lincoln to hitler and george, you and i, we cross this bridge before. ok. i mean, i remember the new york review books, it was like and what was it like 19919293. something like that. ok. you know, the new revisionists, the, this is happening again except for what the differences in some of those were crazy academics. now politicians are in, in on it to go ahead george. there's no question of that. and that within the next 1020 years, the willfully a historical anti historical german, one of them so that they were actually victims in world war 2,

that they were actually the victims of aggression by silence. when yes and you went on the german tv, i'm pretty much told them that this is what the so committed these terrible processes a few when they invaded lynn new audience and again yesterday obey the lions, ben wallace, and his speech he started talking about the heretic arrays and mothers that were committed by the red army. when he was liberal, i know you're a prom fascism. so that this and now you know, we look back on world war 2, who are the good guys with a bad guy? enjoy john. what do you bet? i bet you a couple of beers on this one before it's all said and done. it was the, the russians the trick, the japanese into attacking pearl harbor, bad stuff, history. you know, it sounds comical right now,

but we're debt. we're going down that path. that's what we're a very, a historical one when you, when you're a historical, you're looking for a catastrophe, gentlemen. that's all the time we have. many, thanks. am i guessing, budapest, munich, and in st. petersburg. and thanks to our viewers for watching us here are the see you next time. remember, cross hospitals. ah ah, with today i'm authorizing the additional strong sanction foreign companies,

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