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hello and welcome to cross talk. we're all things are considered. i'm peter level. the group of 7 has about not to lead pollutant when his war against ukraine actually announced new restrictive measures. but what about the officially enforced narrative claiming ukraine is winning? the wes attempt to weaken russia have failed. in fact, the west is weakening itself ah, sucking the situation in ukraine. i'm joined by my guess george, send me well in budapest, he's a podcast or at the goggle which can be found on youtube and locals in munich. we have our ralph niemeyer, he is a leader of a german resistance movement and in st. petersburg across to gilbert doctorow. he is an independent political analyst and author of memoirs of an ex pat manager in moscow during the 990 s r h m. in cross talk roles,

in fact that means you can jump anytime you want, and i always appreciate george. let me go to you 1st year. the g 7 is up to it. it's act again here is if anybody really cares what the g 7 says or, but nonetheless, they have vowed that putin will not win his war against you. great. what, what does that mean? what are they going to do about it? okay. other than inflict more misery on their own consumers and voters. go ahead, george. well, that's exactly right. that's all they have that disposal which is if they can misery on the ukrainians and of course on their own. excellent. and when a victim or band said the other day that an oily mago completely cutting off from oil imports from russia will be like leasing a nuclear bomb on the, on the economy or by i'm was speaking not just one gear ends, but for many europeans. this is of absolutely nonsensical idea of cutting yourself from energy invoice. you know,

because the alternative is simply the destruction of your own. a column is and it's quite clear that there is no ready means at the europeans disposal to replace russian oil replace russian get. so all of it is just simply all tack the e u, or some of the lion was supposedly the chief executive of the you. she's the president of the european commission. she has no one course on mechanism because european to do one thing or another, she can talk along and out. but ultimately you're gonna have to decide, are they going to stop or they get you freeze. i was just gonna bring their economists the whole or are they just going to live their lives and then are going to follow the big or still on the line and the european emission and actually ukrainians. well, no one really cares very much about that. i mean, they just didn't count as part of the us,

the nato agenda. well, i'm glad you brought that up gilbert. i mean, all of the russia now it's the most sanction country ever. okay. how does that help ukrainians at all? go ahead and st. petersburg. it doesn't any way. it's a curious thing that westerns analysts have spoken about the, their, their appreciation of russia's military effort. up till now. they say that is proven, rushes weakens. that's quite extraordinary because the, the russian effort has captured a territory about the size of the united kingdom since the start of the, of the special military operation. it's also bears mention that russia is certainly the only country on earth with perhaps the exception of china, which is able to withstand the sanctions from hill with the united states and its allies, that you will have delivered that's often overlooked. so russia is proving itself to be strong in remarkable ways,

and in ways that no one in europe could equal. and that very fact as to the us to the, the envy of the european countries and their leaders with respect to russia. so it's been paradoxical. the russia strength sheets to these these vicious information war efforts by europeans, anybody united states, to compensate for the real loss of ground in the competition russian. ralph, let me go to you and munich, m. many of us would have expected, the germans would play a much more prominent role instead of just being subservient to washington. because germany is, has the most to lose and is losing the most. i would say, i mean, i've never seen a political class of a major country willing to turn off the switches for of their entire economy because somebody with no, with real, no real power in brussels, told them too,

oh and oh, by the way, you know, i never thought i would have seen a german chancellor who i referred to is sergeant schultz on this program, be openly insulted by the president in the united states and get away with it. i mean, what kind of leadership does germany have? what kind of leadership is europe have go ahead ralph? yeah, you just said right. we are obviously not our own man, and mr. charles is not his own man. when being on the international stage, he obviously took orders from washington and it became quite visible. a couple of days ago when he gave a speech addressing us germans in english. so we wonder whether he lost his vocabulary book for us or but i use rather reporting back to washington because that's the truth. we are not submarines since the 990. when we thought that we were suffering after the 2nd world war, and after the berlin wall had come down,

that we would have our own stay to the nation would be sovereign and we would get a peace tree to you eventually. but all the nations that we harmed during the 2nd world war. and you now see that actually germany is doing exactly what washington wants them to do for us. they said we are not going to send any arms into conflict which is against our law and against the people. actually it's against international law to do that. but suddenly we do it a week later. and there must have been some instructions from washington and they received them and ram stain at the base here in germany. from all american wars are still being real wealth. leave the behavior of the german government and other governments in the european union make them co belligerence in this conflict. i think that, you know, that should be take, be noted, particularly the because of the regime type in care by the germans of all people

should be very aware of that. and in there it's completely whitewash. we'll talk about white washing a little bit later. george, i want to go back to you again the g 7, you know, who must not win, but i thought ukraine was winning. how do you explain this to me? maybe i missed something. go ahead. well, let's say the boy that on the g 7 and the western powers can't really make up their mind. i is russia just this hopeless, mediocre militarily incompetent, demoralized chaotic st that is being absolutely trounced and hammer by the plucky ukrainians. oh, does. ukraine needs and desperately, and you know, we need to send everything that we've got in order to ensure a potent doesn't prevail. they can't really get the, the narrative, right? and so they go for one to another just in order to persuade the public that somehow

by sending in lots and lots of arms into ukraine, they are not actually endangering ok the safety of europeans and america, but charge for judgment because my tang are charged. but for 8 years, nato has been training the ukranian army for 8 years. arms have been pouring into, you grain. i mean so more training, more arms. let me throw that to gilbert here. i mean that there's something that we've been doing. the western powers have been doing this for 8 years, and this is the result they're getting. so why would you cite pouring bad money in after reporting? good money after bad money. go ahead in st. petersburg and effectiveness doesn't exist in vocabulary of the european leaders. they are posture is all pastoral d v a weapons. richard been sent to him until recently? have been. oh,

they haven't been ineffective and they have been delivering away where they are destroyed on arrival. that does not bother a fluster. the, the western presidents and prime ministers, a very concerned with their relationship with united states, not really with their relationship with ukraine. and they want a demonstration of bid one another. well, i mean about ralph, i mean, what, what does ukraine mean to the german people? i mean, if you could speak for your entire people or just yourself here, but i mean, why is germany willing to sacrifice so much for a country that has no strategic value whatsoever to germany or the west? well i, as i said before, i believe that this is a do orders of someone else. germany is particularly not interested in ukraine. the hardly know much about it. i mean our culture is so different. you

think that polish people are closer to vest ukrainians, but even there i see a lot of differences, but here in germany, people are saying okay, people are suffering to let's take them on the refugees. we want to help. we want to look good with that and all that. yes. but on the other hand, we don't understand as a german people who ukrainians are and what they are. and not many of us even recall the recent history from a 100 years ago, or from 77 years ago. mean last night we had the ambassador of ukraine on the german tv show, again that he's mr. malik. he's quite extra tenant in this sense that he's accusing paper. busy and he said openly, the germans, we would owe them for 10000000 soldiers who lost their lives in freeing astronauts as he's turning it completely around. i mean, stefan dera,

the outer and nationalist leader of ukraine at that time was the strong ally of mr . hitler. so who fought guns to here and who freed us? i mean i wish that there would be clarity, at least in germany on that matter because we wanted to be freed from fascist. but mr. ma certainly did not. they did the opposite. yeah. george, i mean we were you and i have talked about at the, at the, the gaggle are podcast. how the narratives have been flipped. ok. where the good guys are, the good guys are now the bad guys. bad guys are now the good guys. go ahead 15 seconds before we go to the break. and if you listen to a sergeant shows a speech on d e day. he kind of pretty much suggested that somehow germany was one of the good guys in, well, what to and the russians. well, the bad guys and somehow you know the eyes. oh that thought hold that,

that we have to go to hard break and that's about hard break. will continue our discussion on the situation and you can stay with ah, lisa hunter, rushin, state total narrative. i've stayed as i'm phone and ignore some scheme div us. mm hm. the american culture house once a week within 55 when okay, so 9 is good bargain. speaking with, we will fan in the european union, the kremlin media machine, the state on crush up to date and split ortiz spoke neck, given our video agency,

roughly all band on youtube and pinterest. and we put the question, did you think even clifford shelf with welcome back across stock? were all things are considered on peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing the situation in ukraine. ah okay, go back to gilbert in st. petersburg. and the 1st part of the program we were talking about who's giving orders to whom. here you have a dissenting opinion. go right ahead. i can say definitely who is getting directions to mr. shorts. but i would like to do is

a very important situation that is degrees in government. and he was dependent on agreements of the range because our agreements are not just agreements were bounded by your rules and they had a program which included of our foreign policy positions were always very anti rushing. the last 20 years the german agrees. and then the most bull in attacking russia in trying to sanction russia. therefore, it should come as no surprise that when the degrees, the game full members of coalition and at the last elections in germany, they had come in with a strongly russian position. they needed not the question is,

who are stronger than the government? i think we are sending an additional very we personality and it is his colleagues in the cabinet from the green part, ignorant experience and the long show them so stupid. they are determined yet, and they are totally empty. well, i actually, ralph, i, i, i very much agree with gilbert and the position of the green party. however, i would add another layer to that is that washington is never like social democrats, okay at all. okay. they've always been very suspicious where they're getting it, they're going to make a deal with, you know, it goes all back to keep the russians out. the germans died in the americans and the social democrats always challenge it one way or another. go ahead, ralph. yeah, actually i do agree with both of you. i mean, the green party that i knew was paid for

a car in canada. 40 years ago i interviewed her as a young journalists and she was demonstrating. and in ramstein as well as it moved against the deployment of pershing. yep. rockets and so on. and cruise missiles and so on. so that is a long way. the greens have come when the 999 because of what war broke out and with the 1st ever german military direct military participation after 945. this was done by schroeder and fish fish or the green foreign minister at that time, who made that shift and who actually he vowed that he would never have out with happened again saying there were concentration camps run by subs in the territory of the. busy federal republic of yugoslavia and kosovo and which was not true. it's a bit like the situation we have now. we booster where they say that were war

crimes committed. well the well route you're going exactly way want to go. i want to talk about the information where let me go to george here. that's one thing that we keep hearing charge over the russians have lost the information more. well, i mean, if you're in the west, it's all dissent any, any contrary and view on the situation, that's a new grain is shut down. i mean, then what's the point of having an information more of one side can speak, and that's essentially what is happened. go ahead, george. it's worse than that. it's not just that they closed down t and the sport. and when the band, any access to russia, media in the west. western governments are also the asian, isn't the boss of smearing operations. there are any number of organizations and things from the by western governments and the you who so the purpose

is to go around writing reports about who to box on the net or criminal this information agents. you know, the russian tools of this information. that's what they do. they are lavishly funded by the european government, the government, and they probably these reports completely worthless, but they serve to great is the atmosphere that there's, there's a sinister russian boss all over the place, putting out all kinds of this information, trying to all the western public so yeah, i mean, then that is what happens then. people don't want to listen to that and they just political exclusively to the absolute nonsense goal by western governance of case in point yesterday. the speech on may the 9th, delivered by british defense minister of ben wallace,

in which he not only with like russia to not be germany. if he actually went to the mean and disparage the performance of the red army. and we'll go to for him. you know, the soviet performance, the pretty much smaller of read the truck back and then falling spending millions of people to perish before the german times away. the russians like that, they just send millions of people because they don't care about, you know, they just, it's just a matter of humanity. that's what you get. effect winning information war. okay. it just, it juice. yeah. big lie. it. but it just shows their weakness. that's why they, they believe in censorship because they don't want to counter argument, you know, gilbert, one of the things that very frustrating for me as a on december 17th, when the russians sent their ultimatums because that's what they were one to the on nato. and one to the united states. now, you know,

you can go at least you could go to the, the kremlin website, you could go to task dot com, and you would get all of these documents. i had guessed after guess before 2 of february 24th. but you are not messaging, we don't know what that, what's in putins head on. why did you just go and read the press conference when you read the press release, it was all out that was all out there on display. george and i have talked about this countless number of times. you're surprised they did, they telegraphed out they were going to do from the very beginning. nobody listened in with this information warren and shut down of for of dissenting views. we said it's only going to get worse. go ahead gilbert. well, i think we have to put the information more information or substitutes for a real or it is a virtual world. and that is the ball in which washington and most of the united states exists. the united states for last 30 years is capable of real ground war.

and so this is taking place. i wouldn't get too excited, but russia ruling information were considering where we had been since the notion of russia would be given a fair hearing of any con, is excluded. however, in the real world, what will count at the end of the day, do some ground, and what russia does not do to achieve its objectives, which one might say, are pretty clear. it is to take control of the south and east of ukraine and to keep the train from the black sea. and so, so limited the ground that it is not a military read to russia at any time in the future. so we'll work some ground. we'll see how it works and they're being given every chance to succeed, because we are just 6 or western supplies to ukraine. alright.

anyway, very ineffective. finally, you know, ralph of the western media coverage of this is just simply appalling and it's obviously intentional. my position has always been, it's rushes timetable and russia will determine the outcome when it's ready when it wants to do that. but, you know, one of the things that is never really talked about is that, why did we get into this situation in the 1st place? because of insecurity in europe, the, the, the very poor security infrastructure that allowed the to happen. and russia will, it will make the, will not offer negotiations. it will say these are our conditions and these will, will be met. it will be another ultimatum. and i think europe is not prepared or even willing to think about that. go ahead ralph. yeah, you're absolutely right here as well. now, what i have to note is that there's

a rewriting of history at the moment. yeah, i mean we see, and all our papers here in germany, especially those who are close to the green party like tuts, the target side to they, they kind of scripting what mrs. bear buck is saying, and even what mr. charles is going to say. putting in this context rather say started had already planned to begin the war valid before hitler rose to power. you know, this was yesterday on the headline. so they're comparing put in either with started or with hitler. sometimes they're not care about it. mr. phones likes to lincoln to hitler and george you and i will cross this bridge before. okay. i mean i remember the new york review, but it was like and what was it like 19919293. something like that. ok. you know, the new revisionists, the, this is happening again except for what the differences and some of those were

crazy academics. now politicians are in, in on it to go ahead george. there's no question of that. and that within the next 1020 years willfully a historical anti historical germans will convince themselves that they were actually victims in world war 2. that they were actually the victims of aggression by silence. when yes and you went on the german tv, i'm pretty much told them that this is what the the so committed these terrible processes gave you when they invaded lynn new audience. and again, yesterday and i, it's been wal as the new stage we started talking about the heretic, arrays and mothers that were committed by the red army. when he was liberal, i know you're a prom fascism. so that this and now you know,

we look back on world war 2, who are the good guys with a bad guy. and george, what do you bet? i bet you a couple of beers on this one before it's all said and done. it was the, the russians that trick the japanese into attacking pearl harbor that sterile history. i, you know, it sounds comical right now, but we're debt, we're going down that path that we a very a historical one when you're, when you're a historical, you're looking for a catastrophe. gentleman, that's all the time we have many, thanks. am i guessing? budapest, moon, munich, and in st. petersburg. and thanks to our viewers for watching us here are the see you next time. remember, cross hospitals. ah, with

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