ah, ah if anybody's been trapped in elevators, 20 minutes could be pretty long time right and the load trapped in an elevator for 20 minutes. not knowing what's gonna happen, not knowing where you are. the sense of sensory deprivation. ugh, think about that if your life i plenty visits about an hour. not at all. yeah, the intercom is nothing i was trying to get you out. i was keeping you id. is your communication? oh, and i think systems to, ah,

ah, a more of the billing. mm . more on turn begins with me, but it does not in there. it will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found. stopped and defeated. ah . i think we lost more in the warranty. so you know, empires and decline,

resort to torture. and i think it gives them the illusion of mastery and dominance and control by torturing essentially we blind ourselves. but we could in fact, create a democratic society which actually has consistently valuable and effective techniques to fight terror. the fact that we don't is more an expression of our own anxieties and fears were so called interrogation techniques used by us officials were basically designed as techniques to break down the human mind and therefore also the body because they are very connected and leave no physical traces, it's an extremely destructive practice. torture

on, of course, on those who receive this pain and suffering. but also on the sidey that becomes a society of cruelty. what we've done is we've not so much lost the war on torture as we've won the war on democracy, and that through terrorizing a population over a period of decades. so that there's nobody in this country who didn't grow up with some booky man, some danger. first, it was communism, then it was terrorist for obviously engage in many facets of what is generally called the cold war. rich, the communist policies for a

political activity or any intelligence. rather not approve of the higher level. there was a concern that emerged 1st started coal in the late notice that the soviets had the code of human consciousness that they knew how to apply pressure upon the human mind and break the line. and it was that sir of this whole pursuit that lead ultimately to the, the creation of the sea ice doctrine of psychological torture. this was a time of the brain washing scare. there were show trials in eastern europe, in hungary and poland, which aroused a lot of concern in the west because people seem to be confessing to crimes that

they hadn't committed or mm. most importantly was the child was cardinal months in ski and hungry. and jesse was already in an after world war 2, quite famous because he was known for having resisted the nazis and their occupation of hunger. and then after the war, he became the cardinal on the primary of the church. they arrested him. they can find him. those choose of being an aristocrat, it became a kind of target of that regime. and then he was put on trial, were publicly he confessed to the charges against him. and there was this fear in washington, the prince of the church, a man known for his church under not to pressure that if he could be broken

clearly, the soviets were possession of techniques. mm. the cia reaction was primarily around what they thought was brainwashing the concerns with communist brainwashing. what they never seemed to realize was that these communist techniques were actually borrowed originally from earlier american techniques. in the 1920s in 1900 ten's, using sleep deprivation exhaustion exercises. all these other techniques were standard domestic policing tortures. they were also driven by 2nd concern. there was a moral panic in the 1950s that an american p o w is in korea. they confessed to things that were completely untrue and it didn't look like they had been talking during the korean more. what happened was that there were captain down american aviators,

and there were around 30 pilots that made testimonies. there were 4 pilots that broadcast on radio badging alleging that the united states was using bacteriological warfare against the korean people. after the armistice, one, these pilots were released or brought back and they were put through court martials and they realize that they had been put through what was then called brain wash. could you describe the method used by the communist the cherokee? oh yes, i would put these methods into to categorize physical torture, all the start and mental torture. it consisted mainly of standing at attention, having my face flap once in awhile and i did fail to respond as they wanted me to it consistent of being confined in a very close area. the mental treatment which they gave was

a start day designed to try to wear down my resistance to their interrogation to break my well power to force me in some manner to confess. a mind control project starts in 1950. this was a project that involved a $1000000000.00 a year. there was a, a formal creation, a british finance american operation at the highest levels in order to mobilize behavioral sciences. so these 3 countries are to kind of crack the code of human consciousness. ah, dick, off for medical doctors or cornell university medical school in new york city. they got access to some of them are classified material on people that escaped from the

soviet union and have been tortured in the service in wolf was a very well known neurologist. he had a personal relationship with our goal is to headed to cia and with the human ecology of fun walls offered to who does ca, essentially a friends in order to study questions of brainwashing what they discovered was $11.00 of the 2 foundational techniques and the ca, doctrine of psychological torture. they discovered a self inflicted pain. what they described in that, in their, in their co author article was that the most devastating technique that the k g, b a n k v d practice was not crude physical beatings. but simply making subject stand immobile for hours and days at a time. if you force a human being to stay in

a certain position, especially a position that puts a little stress on ligaments or muscles or bones, joints. it doesn't take very long for the pain involved to become absolutely excruciating, but nobody's lane figure finger on you. you are doing it to yourself. ah, that was one of the techniques, the over technique they discovered was from the a, the biomedical research. there was dr. haps work, it was the chair of the psychology department at mcgill university in canada. students volunteered to participate in the study of human behavior under extreme and prolong monogamy. their hands and arms were softly covered to muffle a sense of touch, all harsh lights subdued by

a mass comfortable bell choir. and yet it was impossible for most of the students to take it for more than 24 and 48 hours. center deprivation really is way of producing 3 monotony. it's a horrible experience getting worse and worse, somebody, somebody talked about cruelty. what they said was that the degree of boredom became intolerable and was once i'd been said as bad as anything you had to hitler had ever done to any of his son due to his victims. as we know from almost any basic medical understanding, human contact is what makes us human. and a leg enables a person to have a sense of normalcy in their lives. and when they are completely isolated from any human contact and often kept in this sensory isolation, you will literally easily become severely mentally impaired,

or that then they came up a consult with the cia continued to work for them. is really the progenitor, modern psychological torture on this project funded another guy, mcgill named dr. ellen cameron, what you and cameron did at elmwood city was, was close to months for psychotherapy. i was just crying, crying cry, a hopeless. i didn't know what to expect. they said i was going to the psychiatric ward, a cameron, that's you and cameron. yes, i met him. we were all was terrified of him. why we all fell to fear. we

all had a fear of him, and we didn't want him to notice us, because whatever he did, it would never, there was a patient with them. the patient was always screaming for ah

ah ah ah, ah, these are the days and hours ah, the occasion professor un cameron was a very famous psychiatrist. he was head of the american psychiatric association and the world psychiatric association. he was the top of the field at the same time, he seemed pretty much willing to do anything. and the for the cia to find

a doctor who didn't have limits in a nearby cap at oh, with lots of patients to work with last as subs that subjects was somebody they were interested in supporting patients would come in, ah, with ordinary psychological, emotional problems. they sign their waivers and then they would be subjected to this as are urging of extreme sensory deprivation, isolation for, for up to a month. one of his favorite things was he had a sort of a football helmet with a tape recorder in it. that would play a tape and look up to 500000 times, say things like my mother hates me and he would blit the brim with ropes enter deprivation and kind of psychological emotional assault. well, what's working? i mean it's garbage move.

ah, what he did was he would put people under massive electro shock and he would give it to the man a prolong basis along with what he called sleep therapy. his idea was, once you wipe the brain clean, you could wipe out the site a buried behavior. the bad ideas, the ideas that were messing up people's minds. and you could program in other ideas . electrical vasa therapy picked up and was widely used in germany before it went anywhere else as a way of returning soldiers to board. the german army was going to spend tons of money on psychotherapy for regular soldiers. so they were looking for cheap and effective ways to send soldiers back to war. it then moves into the united states in the clinical note of march 23rd. 1962 confirms

129. e. c. t 's cameron's clinical notice september 12th recommend patterning and sleep. the clinical notes of october, 19th, november, 1st, november, 3rd, november, 8th, december 15, all confirmed the patterning and various stages. my son to those that was supposed to be acting strange, right? my mother decided to have, i decided to have the bid to the on find out what was wrong. so i went to the on a couple of months later, and the bathroom has shocked me. i was in now on for 6 months, and this would repeat. yeah, over days and days and weeks and yeah, it's what you feel you have been through being the patent. yes, i guess and i say you in mariah and her different worlder

a race somehow could be yeah, well. 1 they didn't finish the treatments with me. so when i came out, i was still active and so on. but they did. you went through 3 sessions of di patterning treatments. and when i asked you about things before you don't, you don't remember like i say if i ask you what were you, what stuff for you typing for the national defense, for instance. oh, on that now, are there certain things in your memory that you just don't remember? oh, this 1st hospitalized. i was about 1616 and a half. the doctors pushed me into a sleep therapy. and that was it for about 3 weeks in this sort of a deep sleep. but i don't remember getting up to go to the washroom. i don't,

i just remember that the doctor came in and occasionally to feed me. and that was it. and then shortly after a while there was another patient that came in and she was an older one and she slept in the other bed. when i started to wake up, i saw these patients and these patients were in tube, some of them they had earphones and headphones. i dont know if they did any of that to me because when i with the 1st 3 weeks, i don't know what happened. but this was d patterning. ah, this yes, doctrine of psychological torture that they develop, of through research in the decade, the 1950s. and was codified in khobar, counterintelligence interrogation manual. oh hm. mm mm. mm. as to

basic techniques on which all the rest of the procedures to run one is sensory deprivation and the other is self inflicted pain. ah, the cia and trained allied agencies in the techniques. so in effect, you know, knowing about dissemination about, if use, send these techniques to other armies. could you take an ordinary individual, lighter resty or recruit and make a person become an effective interrogate? and it seems that mil gms make sperm was like in part of his project when i learned of incidents such as the destruction of millions of men, women and children, perpetrated by the nazis in world war 2. how is it possible i asked myself that

ordinary people were courteous and decent in everyday life? can i callously in you mainly without any limitations of conscience? under what conditions, when a person obey authority, who commanded actions and went against conscience? these are exactly the questions that i wanted to investigate at your university. the marines permit very simply was assimilated torture. this was one, not all the research we've been describing is the impact of interrogation upon the subject. milgar had another agenda, the impact of interrogation upon the interrogator. if he were to indicate the wrong answer, you would say wrong. then tell him the number of rolls you're going to get him. then give him the punishment and read the correct word care. once he got an ordinary people who fit by all the regular scales, very normal americans. and then he subjected them under false color to just to

doing what he called an educational experiment in try to encourage people to apply ever higher voltages as a false patient kept on getting, making mistakes. in fact, milgar was able to encourage, at least in his 1st experiments, i think close to 70 percent, to go on to apply highly dangerous and sometimes fatal shocks. i'm not going to get that man. think it, there is a there. i want to learn a lice in a not we must go on until he's done wrong and refuse to take the responsibility and get her. i mean, he's under our end, it's actually central. as you continue teacher, there are still many left here, and i mean, ged going get wrong. good us to learn in last. i mean i was going to take the responsibility apparently had was that i don't,

i'm responsible for anything that happens here. continue, but i'm actually slow. wow. dance truck music. answer glaze wrong. ah 95 volts dance. i mean, yes. he did this simply with a very simple thing. putting the person behind the wall and having a person with a white lab coat, telling them that they needed to continue. very ordinary people can be influenced by situations. and it's one of the implications of both the milligram experiment is embargo. the stanford prison experiment was i think,

a unique attempt to answer that question of what makes some people behave in good way. but what makes some people behave in a bad way. and so the idea was let's, let's find an evil place and prisons everywhere in the world are evil places and less pill, this evil place with only good people to get the students involved. i had convinced the palo alto police department to make mach arrest of all the students have a good, a prisoners. and then they came down to the basement of at stanford psychology department, the place where the prison study was done. the idea is prison is made to feel inferior, insignificant, worthless. the most important thing is you take away their name, they become a number. and of course,

given they have smocks it with no under pans than behind is showing like my 1st hour in there. it was humiliating, lose also. abrupt was quick. it was just, you know, take him off, put this on. and then i got dusted with baking soda, which was supposed to be the d. lauser. and i was lebanon. the cell, what is embargo did was a very cheap knock off of the kind of thing that milligram was doing. not only some bar though, but i think, you know, the guard called john wayne believed that ethics don't matter if the environment is artificial. and that's not true, all life is real life. we needed to get tougher with the

prisoners. and it could well be that we were instructed by the experimenters to get to in fact, i don't think we considered ourselves to be a subject of the experiment. we were merely a tool of the researchers to get the results they wanted from the real subjects, which we thought were the prisoners. and i decided to become the nastiest prison guard that i could make myself back. and i was responsible for coming up with all of these routines that i would put the prisoners through where i'd have them stand and align, recite their numbers, do push up to do jumping jacks. i had never once stopped to think that these prisoners were suffering any harm or any damage. we're not, we're not treating anybody. we're just sort of applying psychological pressure on

me. it harms me. how did, how does it harm just that people can be like yeah, it let me in on some knowledge that, that i've never experienced 1st hand. i've read about it. i read a lot about it, but i've never experienced it for 10. i've never seen someone turn that way. i know you're a nice guy. you know, well, you and position. what would you have? i don't know. the for only one main thing is important for knox. ism internationally speaking. that is that nations that's allowed to do anything. all the mazda races,

and then you have the minor nation. so the slave americans, proc obama and others have had a concept of american exceptionalism. international law exist as long as it serves american interest. if it doesn't, it doesn't exist by turning those russians into this dangerous boy, a man that wants to take over the world. that was a conscious strategy. so some golf out of it on your own english v i n b, i not leashed off to observe on in tablet block. nato said it's ours. we move east . the reason us had germany is so dangerous. is it the by the sovereignty of all the countries? the exceptionalism that american uses and its international war planning is one of the greatest threats to the populations of different nations. if nature, what is founded, shareholders in the united states and elsewhere in large obs companies would lose

millions and millions, or is business and businesses good. and that is the reality of what we're facing, which is fashion. a boutique firm. both for us is just like his predecessor, he's a fan of the mortgage transition and they may have to wait for normalization on the only see russian relations why they need. so because they acknowledge the fact that the west can not to be around 30 sterilized again, the west these laws to the west man's right. as opposed to christian era. ah

ah ah approval of a new $40000000000.00 u. s. a package, the ukraine is delayed by republican senator the launch is special coverage focused on the on told stories of ukrainian refugees who fled to russia. they mean they were given little help to escape. the conflict with my son is a ukrainian soldier while crossing the border. i didn't hide anything. my son honestly told the mom, go to the russian border, go to russia, they will help you with resident of done yet. the guns take part in victory day celebrations as a more peaceful life. slowly returns to cities in the dom bus to get a being on the front line.