ah mm. with long welcome to worlds apart, the old lady, maryland is maxime, show me your friends, and i'll tell you who you are gonna be more relevant today, especially in the context of the war torn ukraine. not only politics, but an entire worldview can be deducted from where one sounds on the conflict. how much do these for blinds influence? fraud blind? well, to discuss that i'm now joined by emanuel gets her born italian author, and political consultant. mr. peters, her one is good. to talk to you. thank you very much for a time. thank you very much for an individual. now i know that for you,

the conflict in ukraine is not just about ukraine now or it's territory. you wrote recently that it's a battlefield where the west, russia and other big players are fighting over diversions of and you world daughter . i wonder if this transition to a new world order is inevitable. i do think it can actually be averted if one of the sides is specifically the west. prevails in my, you being, you'll know, ah, the transition to when people are, it is inevitable. and the event will defeat russia would only slow down the line off the western, the medium over war. the reasons are several of them have to do with the west and not only speaking about to the loss. so they show credibility. the loss of economic influence over dork i'm or eyes of china,

for instance. i'm speaking about the west and speak to the concert, talk. and speaking about the demographic crisis, the birth of the economy, crisis within the west. for the more and more level to increase the level of 4 of the call is age children's fragmentation of western society. so the reason in simple reason and all these reasons have to do with the west, which in my opinion, and not only in my opinion, but also the opinion of several political scientists will inevitably lead to the decline of western and medium over to ward. i think some of the west, especially in the liberal camp, they're also hoping for a transition to your brand new will that it is sort of a transition back to the future. for example, francis will be, i'm

a prominent american political scientist who was a frequent guest and you know, very influential figure in here over the last couple of years. he wrote recently that a russian defeat will make possible a new birth of freedom. 2 and that it will allow to renew this period of 1989 putting aside for ability. why do you think that period of 1989, the falling berlin wall, the collapsing soviet union? this emerging american unit, larry, why do you think it was so shortly? the spirit of 89 was so short believe because as you said, it was led by the collapse of the soviet union. so it wasn't truly generally. it was a dollar drive and let's say, so i'm not saying that it was the money factor because it was and um, but it was

a man led by the rise of the polar moment. and as soon as the war experiences the unfairness of the many were buried. this of the unit for a moment in particular of the war on terror, the bomb being on the ground on the ground. the war started turning the little overnight. so it wasn't about russia because russia at that time was a week, was a plenty of time, no problem. it wasn't about china, which was focused on our internal growth. it was for other reasons. so i can't, i can't agree with the spirit of 89 because actually as a, as a said,

that the spirit was mainly alert drive them on the very short, regardless of the outcome of this battle for a new world, the united states will remain a very influential country, whatever they do, they will still be a major player supreme player. why do you think they are going to such great lengths and frankly, such risks. now, in openly confronting russia, when they, you know, to get something that they already have an abandoned, why, what it, what is it exactly the day after? the thing is that the european and american joe politics has a lot to do with russia. so the right the states is already the 1st measure power of the war. but in order to keep being a global and by the us,

let's say like works. there are some kind of divider rule over asia because as a cl for the kinder said, and you know, my kind, there is the funding father politics, rules over roger rules over door. so for us is not in there of mentally confronting russia. is matter of keeps being the measure of power over a because the medium over russia gives the united states the lead over door. you also mentioned them to one of your recent articles that by an administration in the, in this, in their policy v. ukraine and their sounds on the ukrainian conflict is trying to kill 2 birds with one stone undermine russia, as you said. but also we can, the berlin paris acts is that is to reduce the influence of those political forces

in europe, who are in favor of europe's larger autonomy and strategic autonomy from the united states. how advanced is washington at this point in accomplishing these 2 goals? i think the by them, administration, achieve the goal because the european powers deal, strategical, don't. i mean as good as being put to sleep. nobody is talking about the distinction the damp with the rush. they are only speaking about this is for the best and the end of the coupling, which was very, very important. i was on the economy, the link between the european market and russia market has been gone for the energy, the coupling. it will be a matter of months of years,

but it will take place. and as you know, the stream to is that, and then we have not to which some years ago was the fine the brain that by mach wrong, but now is more alive than ever before. and it seems like it is even going to be a large with the entry of sweden and finland. so from my point of view by the administration has already achieved the goal. it's sure that americans are moving very fast in, in terms of that strategic objectives that i think it's only starting to john on the european how much they will have to pay for that in, you know, little terms. you know, every single european citizen and, you know, i've supermarket or at a gas station, but also in strategic and tactical terms. as the cost of these policies become more clear to the european people, you think, you know,

those results that the americans have achieved for now? do you think they could be sustain? let's start from these. nothing left forever. so when a speaker about the by the administration and shipping the goal and speaking about the short or the best of the mean that, that and the for the sure to me dara, there can be no peace, no growth between noon on and the rush. this is more than a bulk of the cost of the long term sustainability. and this is very interesting actually, the right, the states hoped for a lead bounce, big 3 and the red cent, the financial actions. because a micron is a seen as an obstacle between the american agenda for europe and the european

agenda for europe because mac chrome is the mastermind of digital tongue. micron is the one ones right now. the only one for francis and all of them is the only one wants to dialogue with russia. so you know, mac wrong will be the measure obstacle in the years to come. even because micro, closely tied to germany and also germany or in they look shoals, angular medical, they hoped for a micron selection. because micro selection, we'll give life to the but he's battling axes and from the bet, but it's better the next is the bands, the future if you were. and of course, the future of europe, russia relations. can i ask a specifically about the economic sanctions?

because you wrote recently that these economic sanctions against moscow are both unprecedented and planned in advance. but i'm seeing more and more western analysts suggesting that the scale of the sections and specifically the effect on 3rd countries, how painful it is to the rest of the world. and maybe the biggest achilles heel, and that it may actually come back to her the united states. do you think that there are indeed so well plan, do you think the united states are calculated accurately the rest of the world's ability and willingness to carry the burden of the american decision? i did right. that they were very long, black and unprecedented. but i also did something they were mainly they were acted against the or be a union. and only the 2nd level they were and they are aimed

at the weakening rush. why? because the united states is a well aware of one fact. no one can expel russia from the global markets. you simply can't, because russia is not the north korea, russia, russia is the major, do, sir, and explore that of energy goes all over the door. and secondly, as i said, the, the main goal of the main target was to, we can do european union. why? because the work union for the united states is a yes, a military ally, but the is also an economic rival. so the sink show regime was long planned and carefully studied to weaken the european union. and indeed the 1st target of the sanctions regime, as you know, was the norm to stream to so by then the,

the walk through obama with them. now for many years, the american political scientists criticized russia for using cruise power and extolled the american ability to exercise self. busy or smart power and when other players americans will not because they are forced to but because they genuinely one final official for themselves. getting these images that are of fun of the global common good as an author or an advocate of universal. busy rules and values, it will change as a result of this whole ukrainian affair. in my opinion, doesn't matter. we do crane war because they show a crisis of the united states and not to be sold. i mean, not now, not in the years to come because they might the states administration not made too

many mistakes in the recent years. the 1st for firstly am i mention at water, you know, the world, there are an incredible impact not only in the rest of the world, but also on the west. for instance, my country, the impact on the public opinion was very huge. there was a growth, an incredible growth of american. he's in the wake of the world better because of the death office. and i'm saying because of the death of more monica, which was one of the best allies you know, and he was wildly killed. ah. so i think the image of the many states is undermined. they and their mind themselves was undermined by themselves. and the outcome of this

war, of the peace of the 3rd world warring pieces will not impact significantly on the match of the united states. on the contrary, it will afford their all arise, the war in blocks. ok, well mr. pierre one, we have to take a very short break right now, but we will be back in just a few moments. ah, a, a with

ah, a political consultant. mister p one before the break, we talked about this transition to a new world order. russia given, says, with the current system of american dominance are well known. i think they're almost and to logical in nature. but you suggested that much of the global sounds also has a stake in this transition. what are the potential benefits in just throwing out

washington for the rest of the globe, excluding russia? made benefits. let's only think about working a many off washington. so most trusted allies, historical ice like india, saudi arabia, and brazil. i'm brazil is that he will not allow it was the show because he didn't america just as the have the side to side with russia. they knew towns were to buy those calls to arms against russia. why did so? because because that when people are, it is also elite for them for a global aspiration. so they are citing with russia because we are here before the west against the rest. and the west,

although all this time, since the end of the cold war ignored the interest of the rest of the ward. this is why by them was surprised by their refusal. the refusal of their refusals coming from countries like saudi arabia and brazil. but many political, at least like me when and surprise, the rest of the war is a watch these war. and these are citing with russia because the event while defeat, the west, the not on military terms, but on diplomatic terms. and also on economic terms. because if you, if you, if you don't join the sanctions regime against russia, you are fighting with russia implicitly. so the rest of the war deciding with russia hopefully to capitalize them when people are,

can see you also suggested that your brain is both and battlefield and negotiating table for the already ongoing 3rd world war in peace is that's a very interesting phrase. what exactly do you mean, and how's it different from the previous world wars when they speak about the war war in these, i'm using the concept which was popularized by of frances in the wake of the war. and these war to political scientist used to call great power competition, what the press or name called war 2. and it is different ah, compare the to the previous war war because it is a formal, the great powers are to war. but this war is called and they are fighting the across the globe by noon. so sometimes

the color will shows a c, v to wars deborah, reason, the result of terrorism and the new kind of weapons like cyber attacks. and the company was so much more different than in the past. i think you also mentioned that there is a, in one of your articles that there is a shift towards the periphery. is that the many of the facilities started that the very 1st and that got me and thinking about tolkien books in which protagonist 1st fight for their own land. and them they come together to fly for the so called middle earth. and to some extent, ukraine has a turkey, syria, they're all sort of middle lens, their position right between, you know, other big players and potentially they have a lot to gain, but also

a lot to lose. i think the case of afghanistan is, is a very good one. it's a very rich country in terms of mineral resources. it's allocated geographically in a very advantageous position, but for decades it's been ravaged by conflict. what do you think is this my strategy in this day and age for such middle earth powers? how should they get, conduct that policy to maximize the benefit and minimize the chances of conflict? well, the best strategy could be the following dialogue with everyone alignment with no one. but we are in the mean of the 3rd, the war, the war in peace. so, now, great power, not even russia, will accept from the as far worse. a full non alignment.

if i were to keep a were a because that's them. i would suggest a you want the missing my counseling. okay, you are welcome. you want to use that money to put it. you're going to ask me, your money is not welcome. but it will be very r on the do train war as being the work or should moment of fall era. and it will war some the position or follow both just surgically position and countries like as you said, because i found tour down some but not only them. and it would be very hard, much harder done today to be in on the line that to be now from now we mentioned a frances a couple of times and he's an interesting figure he's been involved in the ukrainian conflict diplomatically since it's very beginning of the site,

some of that involvement was quite controversial. for example, a couple weeks ago he posed with a nationalist, ukrainian nationalist. i would have been saying, you know, not a banner, but a few days ago, he made some very bold and i would say politically incorrect statements about this war, saying that it was caused by, quote, need to barking at russia's door, which caused the kremlin to quote, react badly and unleash the conflict. but what's the significance of this statement like this coming from one of the worlds and one of the west, most prominent spiritual leaders. i cannot think about any other leader of the so called western world to say something along those lines. well, i wasn't surprised at all when they read the book statements. because the book now let's say is the booking fun book francis,

just like his predecessor, he's a fan of the movie. people are transition and they baby to way for a normalization of the holy see russia relations. why need so? because they acknowledge the fact that the west cannot be, are increased again. the west is lost to the west and throughout the post christian era. and the holy sea is both a political and the spirit, while power. i think it is the only be really spiritual power of the war. and so the vatican thinks about politics, economics, but also about spirituality and francis, just like his predecessor. so in russia, the so called biblical catholic on

a gas. the civilizational decline in favor of studies asian. ready traditions, this is why the holy scene has tried in the recent years to approach to russia, and that has the spouse itself from the west. for instance, the holy c back the russia operation in syria. the only c tried to normalize relations with of, and as well, the policy and the play, they're all doing the obama era, you know, the signing of the nuclear deal. and this is why the holy see right now is trying to escalate the cry between the west and the russia out by means of those very strong declaration because they are very strong or francis center site to go to europe,

the united states and russia, the holy see, wants peace and would like to be part of the of the peace agreement. you said that the, you weren't so surprised by po francis this statement, but as i was reading american accounts of it and then how is it? i think there was a lot of this, me, a lot of anger sound questioning of the pope's cognitive ability and he's with them . do you think, washington don't, how should you, sanctions against the whole thing? because clearly what the pope is saying goes very vividly against what the biden administration and the rest of the west is trying to push as the as the truth . well, sanctions are the best, the tool of the mighty states foreign policy. so they could try to sanction the book. i think the united states some are magically

will for their why the distance with a policy that will not do it openly, but they will the with, for the bird that wrote this optimization agenda in the rest of the war. because against the background of the war, war in peace against the background of the west, russia confrontation of the seen american confrontation, there is another war taking place across the globe. and the is a the war inside the christianity. there is capitalism against the protestant sharks. the growth, global growth of protestant sharks is mainly driven by the united states. so the united states might well or apply to the pulps a strong position if they were in russia,

by for their funding and accelerating. sometimes a shop several countries. when mister pitt, they're gone, this is a very interesting conversation. unfortunately, we are out of time. but the only thing i would say is that regardless of which confession christian confessions they belong to, or even which religion would belong to. because men abrahamic religions have a very similar themes. as the bible says lasted the peacemakers, because they will be called children of god. let's hold both francis or whoever wants to make a contribution to resolving this conflict will succeed. but the time being thank you very much. for sharing your thoughts with fully agree with you and thank you very much again for the invitation and thank you for watching hope to syria again on well, the part ah with

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