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and coastal defense cruise missiles, they could dominate the north western black sea. so is this a lack of communication among the anti russian collision, or an attempt to play down the catastrophic outcome of the operation? president zalinski, who reportedly gave the order to recapture me in the island remains quiet. just a reminder that our twitter page has you covered for all the important developments as mentoring we give ortiz social team to follow. if you're not doing so already, i'm usually a with
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along the welcome to worlds apart. the old lady mary linens maxine, show me your friends and i'll tell you who you are. the more relevant today, especially in the context of the war torn ukraine, not only politics, but an entire world view can be deducted from where one sounds on the conflict. how much do these for clients influence of frog lines? well, to discuss it. i'm now joined by emanuel yes. born italian author and political consultant. mr. peter bone, it's good to talk to. thank you very much for your time. thank you very much for the invitation. now i know that for you, the conflict in ukraine is not just about the ukraine. the or it's territory. you wrote recently that it's a battlefield where the west, russia and other big players are fighting over diversions of and you world daughter
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. i wonder if these transition to a new world order is inevitable. i do think it can actually be averted if one of the sides specifically the west, prevails in my you being young. ah, the transition to want to polarity is inevitable. and the event will defeat russia would only slow down the line of the western dominion over war. the reasons are, several of them are to do with the west. not only speaking about the loss, so they show credibility, the loss of economic interests over dork. i'm or eyes of china, for instance. i'm speaking about the west. i speak to the concert called to and speaking about the demographic crisis. the birth of the economy
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comprises within the west. for the more and more level, the increased level of the call is a children's fragmentation west side. so the reason in simple reason the all these reasons have to do with west. we might not only my opinion, but also the opinion of several political scientists will inevitably lead to the decline of western or medium overdue, or i think some of the west, especially in the liberal camp. they're also hoping for a transition to a brand new world that it is sort of a transition back to the future. for example, francis will be, i'm a prominent american political scientist who was a frequent guess. i'm a very influential figure in here over the last couple of years he rode recently that a russian defeat will make possible
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a new birth of freedom. 2 and that it will allow to renew this period of 1989. putting aside the ability, why do you think that period of 1989, the fallen berlin wall, the collapsing soviet union, this emerging american uniformity? why do you think it was so shortly? the spirit of 89 was so short believe because as you said, it was led by the collapse of the soviet union. so it wasn't truly generally. it was a dollar drive and let's say, so i'm not saying that it was the money factor because it wasn't ok. but it was a man led by the rise of the polar moment. and as soon as the war experience it
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on fairness so the many were that it is the unipolar moment in particular to what on there are the bomb being on the ground on the ground. do war started turning the little overnight. so it wasn't about russia because russia at the time was a week, was a plenty of time, no problem. it wasn't about china, which was focused on our internal growth. it was for other reasons. so i can't, i can't agree with the spirit of 89 because i really as a, as a said that the spirit was mainly alert drive them on the very short, regardless of the outcome of this battle for a new world, the united states will remain a very influential country,
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whatever they do, they will still be a major player supreme player. why do you think they are going to such great lengths and frankly, such risks. now, in openly confronting russia, when they, you know, to get something that they already have an abandoned my, what it, what is it exactly the day after? the thing is, the european and american geopolitics has a lot to do with russia. so the right the states is already the 1st measure power of the war. but in order to keep being global and by the u. s. let's say like works there. some kind of divide and rule over asian because a kind said, and you know, my kind or use the funding father politics. rules are rules over to work.
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so for us is not in there of mentally confronting russia is met there off heaps being the measure power over our age. because the medium over russia gives the united states the lead over the aren't. you also mentioned in the, one of your recent articles that by an administration in the, in this, in their policy, via crane and their sounds on the ukrainian conflict is trying to kill 2 birds with one stone undermine russia, as you said. but also we can, the berlin paris acts is that is to reduce the influence of those political forces in europe, who are in favor of europe's larger autonomy, strategic autonomy from the united states. how advanced is washington at this point
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in accomplishing these 2 goals? i think the by them, the administration achieve the goal because the european party, all strategical donnie as it has been put to sleep. nobody is talking about the distinction the damp with the rush. they are only speaking about this is the best and the end of the coupling, which was very, very important for us on the economy. the link between the european market and russian market has been gone for the energy, the coupling, it will be a matter of months of years. but it will take place. and as you know, the stream to is that. and then we have not to, which some years ago was the fine the, so i'm bring that by mach wrong,
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but now is more alive than ever before. and it seems like it is even going to be a large with the entry of sweden and finland. so from my point of view by them administration is already achieved, the goal is sure that americans are moving very fast in, in terms of that strategic objectives that i think it's only starting to join on the european how much they will have to pay for that in, you know, literal terms, you know, every single european citizen and, you know, supermarket or at a gas station, but also in strategic and tactical terms. as the cost of these policies become more clear to the european people. do you think, you know, those results that the americans have achieved for now? do you think they could be sustain? let's start from these. nothing left forever. so when a speaker about the by the administration and shipping the goal and speaking about
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the short or the best of the mean that, that and the for the show or to me dara, there can be no peace, no growth between noon on and the rush. this is more than sure about the cost of the long term sustainability. so this is very interesting. actually, the mighty states hoped for, for let bounce, big 3 and the read sent to french elections because a mac wrong is a seen as an obstacle between the american agenda for europe and the european agenda for europe. because mac wrong is the mastermind of this digital tongue. micron is the one once right now the only one for
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francis and all of them is the only one wants to dialogue with russia. so you know, mac wrong will be the measure obstacle in the years to come, even because micron closely tied to germany. and also germany are in, they look shoals and the angular medical, they hoped for a micron selection. because microshare reflection, we give life to the but he's battling axes and from the bet, but it's better the next is the bands, the future if you were. and of course, the future of europe, russia relations. can i ask a specifically about the economic sanctions? because you wrote the recent, the economic sanctions against most are both unprecedented and planned in advance. but i'm seeing more and more western analysts suggesting that the scale of the sanctions is specifically the effect on 3rd countries, how painful it is to the rest of the world. maybe the biggest achilles heel and
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that it may actually come back to her the united states. do you think that there are indeed so well plan? do you think the united states are calculated accurately the rest of the world's ability and willingness to carry the burden of the american decision? i need to write that they were very long, black and unprecedented. but i also did something they were mainly they were acted against the were being union, and the only the 2nd level they were and they are aimed at the weakening rush. why? because the united states is a well aware of one fact. no one can expel russia from the global markets. you simply can't, because russia is not the north korea rush, no rush,
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i is the major do, sir, and explore that of energy goes all over door. and secondly, as i said, the, the main goal of the main target was to, we can do european union. why? because the work union for the united states is a yes, a military ally, but the is also an economic rival. so the sink show regime was a long, bland, and carefully started to we can do european union. and indeed, the 1st target of the sanctions regime, as you know, was the norm to stream to. so by then the, the walk through obama with them. now, for many years, american political scientists criticized russia for using cruise power and extolled the american ability to exercise. so or smart power. and
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when other players americans will not because they are forced to but because they genuinely one final official for themselves. do you think the image isn't discounts or. busy of fun of the global common good as an author or an advocate of universal . busy rules and values, it will change as the result of this whole ukrainian affair. in my opinion, doesn't matter. we do crane war because they show a crisis of the united states and not to be sold. i mean, not now, not in the years to come because they might the states administration on may the too many mistakes in the recent years. the 1st for firstly am i mention at water. you know the world, there are an incredible impact not only in the rest of the world,
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but also on the west. for instance, my country, the impact on the pinion was very huge. there was a growth, an incredible growth of american. he's in the wake of the water because of the death officer, i'm saying because of the death of more monica, which was one of the best allies, you know, and he was wildly killed. ok. so i think the image of the, when the states is undermined, they and their mind them south was undermined by themselves. and the outcome of this war, of the peace of the 3rd world warring pieces will not impact significantly on the image of the united states. on the contrary,
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a political consultant. mister p one before the break, we talked about this transition to a new world order. rush is given system, the current system of american dominance are well known. i think they're almost and to logical in nature, but you suggested that much of the global sounds also has a stake in this transition. what are the potential benefits in just throwing out washington for the rest of the globe, excluding russia? many benefits. let's only think about working so many off washington. so most trusted allies. historical ice like india. so your area and brazil and brazil is very vulnerable. now i thought it was a sham because you didn't america just as the side to side with russia. they
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need time to work to buy dose, call to arms against russia. why did so? because that when people are doing is also elite for them for they have a balance due to ration. so they are citing with russia because we are here before the west against the breast and the west. although all the sky scenes, the end of the cold war, ignored the interest of the rest of the ward. this is why by them was surprised by their refusal. the refusal of their refusals coming from countries like saudi arabia and brazil. but many political analysts like me when in surprise, the rest of the war is
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a watch in these war. and these are citing with russia because the event while defeat of the west and not on military terms, but on diplomatic terms. and also on economic terms. because if you, if you, if you don't join the sanctions regime against russia, you are fighting with russia implicitly. so the rest of the war deciding with russia hopefully to catalyze them when people are, can see you also suggested that your brain is both in battlefield and negotiating table for the already ongoing 3rd world war in peace is that's a very interesting phrase. what exactly do you mean, and how's it different from the previous world wars when they speak about the war, the war in these, i'm using the concept which was popularized by of frances in the wake of the war. and it is what political scientist used to call great power
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competition. what the press as are name called war 2. and it is different and compare to the previous war war because it is a formal, the great powers are to war. but these war is called and they are fighting across the globe by noon. so sometimes the color shows us even worse. deborah is the result of 30 asthma and the new kind of weapons like 5 bucks and the company was. so it's much more different than in the past. i think you also mentioned that there is a, in one of the articles that there is a shift towards the periphery. is that the many of the facilities started that the very 1st and that got me and thinking about tolkien books in which protagonist 1st
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fight for their own land. and then they come together to fly for the so called middle earth. and to some extent, ukraine has a stan, afghan is turkey, syria, they're all sort of middle lens, their position right between, you know, other big players and potentially they have a lot to gain, but also a lot to lose. i think the case of afghanistan is, is a very good one. it's a very rich country in terms of mineral resources. it's allocated geographically in a very advantageous position, but for decades it's been ravaged by conflict. what do you think is this my strategy in this day and age for such middle earth powers? how should they get, conduct that policy to maximize the benefit and minimize the chances of conflict?
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well, the best strategy could be the following dialogue with everyone alignment with no one but we are in the meet the goal of the war war in peace. so, no, great or not the russia will accept from the as far worse. a full non alignment. if i were to work, if i were a because that's them, i would suggest a you want the missing my counseling. okay, you are welcome. you want to use that money to put it. you're going to ask me, your money is not welcome, but it will be very r on the do train war as being the water should moment of our era and the it will war some the position or follow the just surgically position and
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countries like as you said because i found tour kiosk got some, but not only them and it would be very hard, much harder done today to be non aligned to the next truck. now we mentioned a frances a couple of times and he's an interesting figure he's been involved in the ukranian conflict diplomatically since it's very beginning of the site. some of that involvement was quite controversial. for example, a couple weeks ago he posed with a nationalist, ukrainian nationalist. i would have been saying, you know, not a banner, but a few days ago he made some very bold and i would say politically incorrect statements about this war. saying that it was caused by, quote, need to barking at rushes door, which he said to cause the kremlin to quote, react badly and unleash the conflict. but what's the significance of this statement
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like this coming from one of the worlds and one of the west, most prominent spiritual leaders, i cannot think about any other leader of the so called western world to say something along those lines. oh, well, i wasn't surprised at all when i read the book statements because the book ok, let's say it would be fun. book francis, just like his predecessor, he's a fan of the multiple or transition and they gave it to way for a zation on the holy see russia relations? why need so? because they acknowledge the fact that the west cannot be or increased again. the west is lost to the west and throughout the post christian era. and the holy sea is both
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a political and the spiritual power. i think it is the only purely spiritual power of the ward. and so the vatican thinks about politics, economics, but also about spirituality. and francis, just like his predecessor, so in russia, the so called to be called catacomb gas. the civilizational decline in favor of her studies asian. ready traditions, this is why the policy has tried in the recent years to approach to russia, and that has the spouse itself, from the west. for instance, the holy c back the russia operation in syria, the only c private life relation we live in as well. the holy see all the play, they're all doing the obama era, you know,
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the signing of the nuclear deal. and this is why the holy see right now is trying to escalate the cry between the west and russia and by means of those very strong. the corporation because they are very strong or francis center site to go to europe, the united states and russia, the holy see wants peace. and i would like to be part of the, of the disagreement. you said that the you weren't so surprised by po francis's statement. but as i was reading american accounts of it, and then how is it? i think there was a lot of this, me, a lot of anger, some questioning of the pope's cognitive ability and his wisdom. do you think washington downtown should use sanctions against the whole thing? because clearly what the pope is saying goes very vividly against what the by
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the administration and the rest of the west is. a trying to push as the as the truth. well, sanctions are the best, the tool of the might, the states foreign policy. so they could try to send something up. i think the united states some are magically will for their why the distance with a policy that will not do it openly. but they will the, with for the wrote this optimization agenda in the rest of the war. because against the background of the war, war in peace against the background of the west, russia confrontation of the seen american confrontation, there is another war taking place across the globe. and these are the
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war inside the christianity. denise capitalism, against brought to stone sharks. the growth, the global growth of the sun sharks is mainly driven by the mighty states. so the mighty states might well or apply to the pope's strong position if they were in russia by eve, for their funding and accelerating. sometimes a shop several countries. when mister pitt their bond, this is a very interesting conversation. unfortunately, we are out of time. but the only thing i would say is that regardless of which confession christian confessions belong to, or even which religion would belong to. because many abrahamic religions have a very similar themes, as the bible says lasted the peacemakers, because they will be called children of god. let's hold both francis or whoever
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wants to make a contribution to resolving this conflict will succeed but to the time being. thank you very much for sharing your thoughts with fully agree with you. and thank you very much again for the invitation and thank you for watching hope to syria again on well the part ah with . so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy confrontation, let it be in arms. race is often very dramatic, development only personally and getting to resist. i don't see how that strategy
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will be successful, very critical time time to sit down and ah, ah, headline stories, finland, and mine says it's formal decision to join nate. so citing the alternate security lay out in europe. the prompts the slide deck gates of military neutrality and moscow's warnings of possible retaliatory measures to threads near its quarters. also ahead with these shelters were used by the cranium, merely treat during the battles. had the z. a plant, as you can see, there are various medicines, here are t reports from a key bottle zone in the ukraine, conflicts rebate neu forces from the la guns people's republic take control of a major chemical production facility in the region.
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