[000:00:00;00] a, so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy even foundation, let it be an arms race is often very dramatic, development only personally and getting to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very critical of time to sit down and talk. if anybody's been trapped in an elevator, 20 minutes can be pretty long time right and alone. trapped in an elevator

for 20 minutes. not knowing what's going to happen, not knowing where you are, the sense of sensory deprivation. i think of that is your life. 20 visits out an hour, not the only guy. the intercom is not the guy is trying to get you out. a guy was keeping you id is your communication. oh that's existence who. ready ah. ready ah, a more of the building mm . more on turn begins with me,

but it does not in there and it will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found. stopped and defeated. ah . i think we lost more of the warranty. so you know, comparison to client resort to torture and i think it gives them the illusion of mastery and dominance and control by torturing essentially we blind ourselves. but we could in fact create a democratic society which actually has consistently valuable and effective techniques to fight terror. the fact that we don't is more an expression of our own

anxieties and fears were so called interrogation techniques used by us officials were basically designed as techniques to break down the human mind and therefore also the body because they are very connected and leave no physical traces, it's an extremely destructive practice, torture on, of course, on those who receive this pain and suffering, but also on the society that becomes a society of cruelty. what we've done is we've not so much lost the war on torture as we've won the war on democracy, and that through terrorizing a population over

a period of decades. so that there's nobody in this country who didn't grow up with some booky man, some danger. first, it was communism, then it was terrorism. ah, we are obviously engaged in many facets of what is generally called the cold war. rich communist policies force a political activity or any intelligence. it was not approved at the higher level. mm. ah. there was

a concern that emerged in the 1st article in the late notice that the soviets had the code of human consciousness that they knew how to apply pressure upon the human mind and break the human mind. and it was that, that set off this whole pursuit that late ultimately the creation of the shies doctrine of psychological torture. this was a time of the brain washing scare. there were show trials in eastern europe, in hungary and poland, which aroused a lot of concern in the west because people seem to be confessing to crimes that they hadn't committed or mm hm. most importantly was the child was cardinal months in sky and hungry. and jessica was already in natural war 2, quite famous because he was known for having resisted the nazis and their

occupation of hunger. and then after the war, he became the cardinal on the primary of the church. they arrested him. they can find him excuse of being an aristocrat. it became a kind of target of that regime. and then he was put on trial, were publicly he confessed to the charges against him. and there was this fear in washington, the prince of the church. a man known for his courage under nazi pressure that if he could be broken clearly, the soviets were possession of techniques. mm. the cia reaction was primarily around what they thought was brainwashing the concerns with communist brainwashing. what they never seemed to realize was that these communist techniques were actually borrowed originally from earlier american

techniques in the 1920s in 1000 ten's, using sleep deprivation, exhaustion exercises. all these other tactics were standard domestic policing tortures. and they were also driven by 2nd concern. there was a moral panic in the 1950s that an american p o w is in korea. they confessed to things that were completely untrue and it didn't look like they had been tortured during the korean more, what happened was that there were chapter down american aviators. and there were around 30 pilots, a testimonies. there were 4 pilots that broadcast on radio begun alleging that the united states was using bacteriological warfare against the britain capable. after the armistice, one these pilots were released or brought back and they were put through court

martials. and they realize that they had been put through what was then called brainwash. could you describe the method used by the common with oh yes, i would put these methods into to categorize physical torture. all the start and mental torture. it consisted mainly of standing at attention, having my face flap once in awhile and i did fail to respond as they wanted me to it consistent of being confined in a very close area. the mental treatment which they gave was a start day designed to try to wear down my resistance to their interrogation to break my willpower to force me in some manner to confess. a mind control,

pardon starts in 1950. this was a project that involved a $1000000000.00 a year. there was a, a formal creation, a british american operation at the highest levels in order to mobilize behavioral sciences. so these 3 countries are to kind of crack the code of human consciousness of medical doctors for cornell university medical school in new york city. they got access to some of them are classified material on people that escaped from the soviet union and had been tortured in the service in wolf was a very well known neurologist. he had a personal relationship with our dollars to head of the cia and with the human ecology of fun walls offered to who does ca, essentially

a friends in order to study questions of brainwashing what they discovered was one of the 2 foundational techniques and the ca doctrine of the psychological torture, they discovered a self inflicted pain. what they described in their, in their co author article was that the most devastating technique that the k g, b a n k v d practice was not crude physical beatings. but simply making subject stand immobile for hours and days at a time. if you force a human being to stay in a certain position, especially a position that puts a little stress on ligaments or muscles or bones, joints. it doesn't take very long for the pain involved to become absolutely excruciating. but nobody's lane figure finger on you. you are doing it to yourself.

ah, that was one of the techniques. the other technique they discovered was from the a, the biomedical research. there was dr. haves work, it was the chair of the psychology department at mcgill university in canada. students volunteered to participate in the study of human behavior under extreme and prolong monotony. their hands and arms were softly covered to muffle a sense of touch, all harsh lines subdued by a mass comfortable bell choir. and yet it was impossible for most of these students to take it for more than $24.00 or 48 hours. center deprivation really is way of producing 3 monotony. it's horrible experience getting worse and worse. somebody suddenly talked about cruelty. what they said was that the degree of board of

became intolerable and was once i'd be said as bad as anything you had to hitler had ever done to any of his son due to his victims. as we know from almost any basic medical understanding human contact is what makes us human. and a let enables a person to have a sense of normalcy in their lives. and when they are completely isolated from any human contact and often kept in this sensory isolation. you will literally easily become severely mentally impaired or have that they came up a consult. she continued to work for them, is really the progenitor, modern psychological torture. on this project funded another guy,

mcgill named doctor in cameron. what you and cameron did at elm whirl and city was, was close to monstrous. ah, i came in psychotherapy, i was just crying, crying cry. it was a hopeless. i didn't know what to expect. they said i was going to the psychiatric ward. ah, you meant that that, that cameron, that's you and cameron? yes, i met him. that we were all was terrified of him. why? we also fear we all had a fear of him. and we didn't want him to notice us. because whatever he did, whenever there was a patient with them, the patient was always screaming oh,

in needs to come to russian state will never be outside as on the northland scheme div, asking him the american host, our son sent up with we will ban in the european union, the kremlin. yup. machine. the state on russia today and split our t spoke neck, even our video agency, roughly all band on youtube and pinterest, and with me only one main thing is important for naziism,

internationally speaking to that is that nations that's allowed to do anything. all the mazda races, and then you have the minor nations who are the slaves. americans, brock, obama, and others have had a concept of american exceptionalism. international law exist as long as it serves american interest. if it doesn't, it doesn't exist by turning those russians into this dangerous go. you man, that wants to take over the world that was caught your strategy. so some golf out of it on your own, i, i not. felicia stood off to observe on and tablet block. nato said it's ours. we move east. the reason you us, hey jim, it is so dangerous, is it? the law is the sovereignty of all the countries. the exceptionalism that american uses in its international war planning is one of the greatest threats to the

populations of different nations. if nature, what is valid, shareholders in united states and elsewhere in large obs companies would lose millions and millions. wars business and business is good, and that is the reality of what we're facing, which is fashion. these are the days and hours. oh, the occasion professor, you and cameron was a very famous psychiatrist. he was head of the american psychiatric association and the world psychiatric association. he was the top of the field. at the same time, he seemed pretty much willing to do anything. and the for the cia to find a doctor who didn't have limits in a nearby cap, but oh, with lots of patients to work with last as subs as subjects was somebody they were

interested in supporting patients would come in ah, worth ordinary psychological emotional problems. they sign their waivers and they would be subjected to this bizarre urging of extreme sensory deprivation, isolation for, for up to a month. one of his favorite things was he had a sofa football helmet with a tape recorder in it. that would play a tape and look up to 500000 times savings like my mother eats me. and he would blit the brain with globe's answer deprivation and kind of psychological emotional assault. well, what's working? i mean it's garbage move. ah, what he did was he would put people under massive electro shock and he would give

it to the banner prolong basis along with what he called sleep therapy. his idea was, once you wipe the brain clean, you could wipe out the site a buried behavior. the bad ideas, the ideas that were missing up people's minds. and you could program in other ideas . electrical vasa therapy picked up and was widely used in germany before it went anywhere else as a way of returning soldiers to war. the german army was going to spend tons of money on psychotherapy for regular soldiers, so they were looking for cheap and effective ways to send soldiers back to war. it then moves into united states in the clinical note of march 23rd. 19. $62.00 confirms a $129.00 e. c. t's cameron's clinical notes, september 12th recommend patterning and sleep. the clinical notes of october, 19th,

november, 1st, november, 3rd, november 8th, november 15, all confirmed the patterning and various stages. my sister was that was falsely acting strange, right? my mother desired to have. i decided to have the bill to the on find out what was wrong. so i went to the on a couple of months later and bathroom has shocked on me. i was in now on for 6 months and this would repeat yeah, over days and days and weeks and yeah you to what you feel you have been through being the patent. yes, i guess and i say you in mariah and are different we're older or a somehow could be yeah well. 1 they didn't finish the treatments with me. so when i came out,

i was still active and so on. but they did. you went through 3 sessions of di patterning treatments. and when i asked you about things before you don't, you don't remember like i say, if i ask you what were you? what's that for you typing for the national defense, for instance. oh, on that now, are there certain things in your memory that you just don't remember? oh, this 1st hospital lies. i was about 1616 and a half. the doctors pushed me into a sleep therapy. and that was it for about 3 weeks in sort of a deep sleep. but i don't remember getting up to go to the washroom. i don't, i just remember that the doctor came in occasionally to feed me, and that was it. and then shortly after a while there was another patient that came in and she was an older one and she

slept in the other bed. when i started to wake up, i saw these patients and these patients were in tube, some of them they had earphones and headphones. i dont know if they did any of that to me because when i was the 1st 3 weeks, i don't know what happened. but this was d patterning. ah, the, she is doctrine of psychological torture that they develop through research in the decade, the 1950s. and was codified in the cupboard counterintelligence interrogation manual. oh hm. mm mm. mm. as to basic techniques on which all the rest of the procedures to run one is sensor

deprivation. and the other is self inflicted pain. ah, the cia trained allied agencies in the techniques. so in effect, you know, knowing about dissemination about is huge. send these techniques to other armies. could you take an ordinary individual like a resty or recruit and make a person become an effective interrogate? and it seems that milligrams experiment was likely part of his project. when i learned of incidents such as the destruction of millions of men, women and children, perpetrated by the nazis in world war 2, how is it possible i asked myself that ordinary people were courteous and decent in everyday life? can i callously in you mainly without any limitations of conscience under what conditions, when a person obey authority,

who commanded actions and went against conscience? these are exactly the questions that i wanted to investigate at your university. the mower experiment very simply was assimilated torture. this was one, not all the research we've been describing is the impact of interrogation upon the subject. milgar had another agenda, the impact of interrogation upon the target. if he were to indicate the wrong answer, you would say wrong. then tell him the number of rolls you're going to get him. then give him the punishment and read the correct word pair. once he got an ordinary people who fit by all the regular scale is very normal americans. and then he subjected them under false color to due to doing what he called an educational experiment in tried to encourage people to apply ever higher voltages as a false patient kept on getting,

making mistakes. in fact, milgar was able to encourage, at least in his 1st experiments, i think close to 70 percent, to go on to apply highly dangerous and sometimes fatal shocks. i'm not going to get that man's name is i wanted to learn or lice it or not. we must go on until you all refuse to take the responsibility and get that. all right. it's actually essential as you continue teaching. still many left here, i mean j e. go ahead, get draw good as to when i last. i mean, i'm going to take the responsibility if anything happens that i'm responsible for anything that happens here continue. i'm actually slow. wow. track music. answer. blaze

wrong. i know 90 my votes. dance. yes, you did this simply with a very simple thing. putting the person behind the wall and having a person with a white lab coat, telling them that they needed to continue. very ordinary people can be influenced by situations. and it's one of the implications of both the milligram experiment is embargo. the stanford prison experiment was i think, a unique attempt to answer that question of what makes some people behave in good way. but what makes some people having a bad way?

and so the idea was let's, let's find an evil place and prisons everywhere in the world are evil places. and let's fill this evil place with only good people. to get the students involved, i had convinced the palo alto police department to make mock arrest of all the students who were going to prison it. and then they came down to the basement of at stanford psychology department. the place where the prison study was done. the idea is prison is made to feel inferior, insignificant, worthless. the most important thing is you take away the name, they become a number. and of course, given they have smocks it with no underpants there behind, is showing like

my 1st hour in there. it was humiliating that was also abrupt, was quick. it was just, you know, take him off, put this on. and then i got dusted with baking soda, which was supposed to be the de lauser. and i was lebanon. the cell. what some bardo did was a very cheap knock off of the kind of thing that milgram was doing. not always embargo, but i think, you know, the guard called john wayne believed that ethics don't matter if the environment is artificial. and that's not true. all life is real life we needed to get tougher with the prisoners and it could well be that we were instructed by the experimenters to get tougher. in fact, i don't think we considered ourselves to be a subject of the experiment. were merely

a tool of the researchers to get the results they wanted from the real subjects, which we thought were the prisoners. and i decided to become the nastiest prison guard that i could make myself. or what i was responsible for coming up with all of these routines that i would put the prisoners through where i'd have them stand and align, recite their numbers, do push out to do jumping jacks. i'm. i've never one stop to think that these prisoners were suffering any harm or any damage. we're not, we're not beating anybody. we're just sort of applying psychological pressure on them. oh wow. yeah. a, it harms me. how did how does it hard?

just to claim that people can be like yeah, it, let me in on some knowledge that, that i've never experienced 1st hand. i read about it, i read a lot about it, but i've never experienced it. and i've never seen someone turn that way. and i know you're a nice guy. you know, well, you and position what would you of that? i don't know. aah. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy, even foundation, let it be an arms race is on, often very dramatic development. only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very particular time,

time to sit down and talk with situational forces can overwhelm, can dominate even the best of us. ordinary people put in a bad evil environment, can become transformed to become part of that negative environment. and it's any of us, or in fact most of us the office of naval intelligence, it was pretty consistent. cut out front for c i. they funded much of this research . and i don't know if there was a yield that they, they produce a yield for this cruel science. i don't, i that's, it's maybe more, i just don't think they do it might play