of the upcoming book, countering mainstream narratives, fake news, fake law, and fake freedom, or across our rules and effect. that means you can jump in anytime you want. and i always appreciate it. alfred, let me go to you 1st in geneva. everything i said in my introduction is true and i end with a question. did anybody vote for this? because we seem to be going in a direction, but you there is no stopping. no one's putting the foot on the brake. most disturbing of all nato seems to have no interest in ending the conflict and ukraine . actually just the reverse. one of the reasons why this conflict came about and i have come across a wide array of opinions about it, which is perfectly fine. i'm open to debate, but it is, was nato expansion was one of the reasons why russia acted the way did. and now nato expansion is again on the agenda here. i'd like to point out to our viewers before february 24th freshly said it would react with military technical reaction. that's still on the cards here. ok. the, the, the, the next,

the necessity to have security in europe is not being discussed. is matter of fact it's being discarded. that's a long, long question from for me. go ahead. alfred. well, jordan cannon, the father of the marshall plan, henry kissinger, jack mac law, all warn about the dangers of expanding nato. now it is profoundly on bill craddick to have been merlin, sweden, as for membership in nato, without conducting a why consultation, of a population because it does have consequences, making sure that the population understands the implications. and then having a referendum, i am both a citizen and a switch citizen. and here and we just had 4 different referenda a lot,

someday. somebody the 15 of may and i have not missed the single referendum since i'm a citizen. and back in 2002 even switched membership in the united nations. switzerland was not a member of the united states. it was put the rope and a just made with somewhat more than a majority. but something as important as joining a military organization. the military organization that if you know the judgment of the number, you don't know if you know this actually are the number one article 9 or the longer an agreement of 8 august 945. there's the concept over criminal organization. and buddha themes and the sweet realize that they are

actually joining an organization that because of its history of aggression, war crimes, crimes against humanity in your law, the down is dining rock in libya, syria, et cetera. very usually could be class in this special category of criminal. okay, let me, let me, let me go to sarah and jersey city. i mean, not only is need to expansion and the card still within when in sweden, just in the last new cycle the american officials have said that ukraine does not even may not even have to go through a, a induction process. it could be just be made a member of nato, which be breaking all of nato's own rules. i mean, you know, they call, they constantly talk about the rule of law and rules based order,

but they break their own rules all the time. obviously ukraine has a territorial conflict with russia. ok, and so what they're doing is they're actually wanting be there. the in fact they want the lines to go into all out with russia because ukraine and russia obviously have a military conflict. but no one is talking about this in a logical fashion in the west. go ahead, sarah. well, 1st of all, ukraine already is a de facto member of nick, a u. s. commanded military machine. that's really what it is. and nato ukraine for a long time, has it's for gates have been involved in the war in iraq, in afghanistan, in all kinds of military war maneuvers. and the, with thousands of nato trainers advisors as they're called in the ukraine. there was a equipment just pouring ins really since 2014 i didn't just begin. so as a de facto member not,

not voted anywhere even by the member countries. ukraine is very much in nato, and it's the whole purpose of nato was to expand to the very borders of russia to threaten russia. that's been its purpose from day one. and it was the reason that it expanded, ever since the war in yugoslavia through the balkans, through the countries of eastern europe right to the borders. and it's the reason to day without any vote, no democracy about it. the expansion of or the inclusion of finland. and sweden is being considered finland a country of a 5000000 people write a pledge to neutrality since world war 2, who never pay the price for what they did in world war 2, if they pledged to remain neutral. and we see that that's just gone by the board. so every step of the way, none of this is democratic for the countries involved. it's certainly not for here in the u. s. where the overwhelming or the majority of the people are against war,

and biden hasn't delivered on any of the promises he made. no turn any of it. what are they unfortunately during the cold war? you know steve cohen, god bless his soul and he left. this will too soon because he was such a great rom thinker and great person actually to and you know, he prophesies as he said, that the war was, would be inevitable. with them. we continued nato expansion. and one of the great things he said is that during the cold war, which he chronicled very well, he said, at least the western leadership put themselves in the shoes of the kremlin. you know, and so if let's put the artist or feet in the shoes of the prevalent right now, if there's a conflict, then ukraine, one of the antecedents was nato expansion. and now to other countries been when in sweden want to join. i mean, how the russians, obviously this is a, is a aggressive threat, but no one gives that angle in western media. go ahead, ted. here, i can't recall a campaign,

a demon i'd ation as thorough knowing as the current one against russia in western media. and i want to, i want to take a minute and explain my position here. if i may, i was 26 years. the us diplomat. i spent more than half my career working with or at nato. so i'm intimately familiar with the institution and it's byways. and it's quirks. now, i'm a retired diplomat. i'm a great believer in winston churchill phrase that george saw as always, better than war war. and for that reason alone, i do not condone rushes operations in ukraine, but given the level of provocation, especially the hypocrisy that nato is displayed. i certainly understand them. first, zelinski goes to the munich security conference in february and talks about rolling back ukraine's decision to get rid of nuclear weapons. second, despite the fact checks it appeared, western media us funded by

a labs in ukraine are a reality and have been since the nunn lugar cooperative threat reduction program went into effect 30 years ago. now. 30 years ago, it might have made sense for nato. the us and western countries to help former soviet states like ukraine, to do away with this w. m. d stockpile. but what goes labs are still doing an operation 30 years later, beggars the imagination, you know, what ukraine has done is they've handed ukraine, the russia, the same exact excuse that the us and it del, i've used to invade iraq in 2003, which is w m d counterproliferation. now point 3, there's an ongoing military humanitarian crisis in the bass has been for years now . people have been getting sheldon killed willy nilly without almost any reporting in the western media. but this is also the same exact excuse that nato used

999 yet to conduct the world coastal humanitarian intervention. so if it's good enough for bill clinton in 99 and it's good enough for w in 2003. why isn't it somehow good enough for president and exercise these same authorities in 2022? well, i mean, i'm glad to bring that up because alfred, i mean, we've, you know, with essentially, with these kind of low octane thinkers in the west. you know, i mean, they're all over the place, liz trust, you know, anthony blink and all of these people here, they would, they want to know they were on some kind of war footing. well, the russians might actually take the same attitude as well. i mean, how is it that nancy pelosi can waltz around the center of kev during a military conflict with russia. ok, because the russians are not targeting it. they're not interested in it at all. but at one point they might go ahead alfred. well, you address the issue or a rules based international order you address blinkin and binding. now here it is,

we have it the united nations charter and want has made on what has the united states done. we have not only violated articles $1.00 and $2.00 of the charter. we have violated the spirit of the charter, not only the letter article 2 paragraph 3 of the charter requires that we negotiate in good faith right now. okay. has been negotiating, trying to reach some sort of a peaceful solution to redone by the problem since the could cause against the democratically elected young core, which ukraine, which we call finance. but we know from victoria now age. here she'll be wrong. she 88 years old, seeing federal hankle and sky violate, remains agreement one and 2 systematically. and then in december, last,

puting up puts on the table to moderate trees, which are then dismissed by oldenburg and biden. and i have to many are we have to go to a hard break, and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion of the european war state. we're starting the the ah ah,

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manager, were discussing the european war. ah ok, let's go back to sarah in jersey city. there seems only be one gear in play here in this the move forward with a conflict. and what is i find? so very peculiar is number one. what is winning mean in this conflict? i mean, i don't even wanna even go down that path. i mean, i think these people have no idea the dangers that they're creating. number 2, the, even at this stage of the conflict that should have never happened in the 1st place . i'm western publics are and, and consumers are being affected. well, i'd like to, you know, we, we, we've talked about on this program really the conflict in iraq and syria and libya and all that was, that really didn't affect the western citizenry very, very much. this is beginning to really

a bomb pinch. a lot of people here and there seems to be no easing down and even willing to sit down to talk. i mean, we update the, we have the french, the, the allianz and the germans are, you know, way we should talk about negotiations while pushing more of war sanctions. will. that's not how negotiations work. so as a sarah, i mean this is why i'm so depressed and worried is that they think something is winnable. i don't know what that means because that could entail in iowa ation of everyone. go ahead, sir. well, what does winning mean to u. s. strategists and war planners, it really means can they break the relations, the trade relations? he economic exchanges between the u, especially germany and russia. could they do this through war and the demand for sanctions? we shouldn't forget that buying promised nuclear war if, if the sanctions weren't voted said it's world war 3 or it's sanctions. so from the

very beginning, it's been how to break the economic relations and it has come back and hit with a vengeance on the countries of the e. u. here in the u. s. globally, in terms of famine, literally in africa, when you have spiraling inflation, raises an energy cost. it is a war that has already reduced ukraine from the most prosperous country at the time of the division of the soviet union. the most prosperous of the republics to today, the poorest country in europe. and the war is now making the e u, they're really paying the price as they say, folks and britain have to choose between heating and eating. now, how has russia fought this war? they fought it very differently from the u. s. in the u. s. from day one, iraq afghanistan, anywhere in the world. they knock out the water,

the sanitation sewage, the food warehouses, the entrance, all the communication systems, day one, and they advertise it, they push it out. the hospitals, the medical center, that's what's destroyed. that's not what's happened in the ukraine. there. the bakeries were still open in kiev internet. that's how world politicians from pelosi, you folks are all able to visit jeff, isn't that unusual in a war? but russia is fighting us and a very different way, very much against been not c, fascist forces that have been organized right within the don. it's so we should see the differences in how the wars fought, the aims in it and, and the u. s. aims are, which are to completely use ukraine as upon in order to ensnare russia

in a war that they want to have you. and since it's in trust and they are trying to reach a negotiated solution to end this war with the end of the nazi domination and firing within east ukraine, it would take care what you know, i guess the, you know, i agree with much of what sarah said, you mean the price is actually had gemini in europe? that's it because the ever since the end of the cold war will actually even during the cold war and he kind of german soviet slash, russian reproach. miles was something the washington always worried about. that's why they always have social democrats in germany, just like they have sergeant schultz now in germany. but you know, what, what is the price of europe? if there's productivity goes down, unemployment goes up, mean you a social infrastructure is destroyed. i mean, it's kind of a cheap 3rd prize ribbon, isn't it? i mean, just to have had gemini and to punish russia. well,

russia can look elsewhere. ok. it, right, rushes relate. existence doesn't, isn't dependent on its relationship with europe. go ahead. ted. peter, you're being grossly unfair there and you're asked me to sort of explain by nomics and it's a mystery to me. i don't think it was capable of explaining what, what that man is up to other than printing money at lightspeed. if in the process he can destroy europe's economy as well. and possibly, you know, maybe maybe his vision is, is a smoking economic ruin from the atlantic to the earth and not sure. but seriously . we've got a situation where sweden is looking at banding. it's traditional you know, it's a distance from any war. it stands like switzerland as a non line country, even in europe. and it's just, it's looking, it's throwing that away. finland has been neutral, aggressively neutral. ever since the end of world war 2, they're not stupid. they're right on the border with the soviet union. they wanted

peace. they didn't want to be any part of a political military alliance. it's a lot more military, political. and now in the current situation, because we've got this focus on, you know, the democratic pure haven of ukraine, and never mind that it's, it's any criminal enterprise and has been for a long time. you know, we're all going don't hope for the war for no apparent reason, but for that matter native shouldn't exist. so yeah, you know, we're talking about expanding. that hasn't had a reason to exist since 991. yeah, i've always thought i found, you know, biden's, policy so abiding, who ran the ukraine desk during the obama administration and where his son worked at barithium. the u. s. is sending money to people that paid people like his son. it's very kind of peculiar relationship outbreak was obviously we were running

out of time here is that nato really kind of pushing to see if they can test article 5. it seems like a game of chicken here. ok. and but, you know, if they want to push article 5, so let's say something happens. you know, there's a missile system that the u. s. puts into finland. russia reacts, and then they have invoke article 5, and then they have their friend in turkey. air on says, i'm not involved in this. ok, then, the entire myth of article 5 of the nato treaty is blown up your thoughts? well, i think that i also said there is no reason for natal nato and its claim of the full spectrum domain. and it's a crime against humanity in itself. it is a bright, incompatible with the un charter article to pair. we're for all the charter

through him. it's not only the use of force what it prohibited the rest of the use of force. and as coke francis very correctly said on the 3rd of may, may, was barking at the door of russian may actually provoke this tragedy. and that has been carried by the mainstream media may from media is complicit in this tragedy because they have been actually conducting propaganda for war and demonizing. the enemy, by the way, contrary to article 20 of the international covenant on civil and political rights that the united states and united kingdom and france and germany are all parties to okay, okay, let me, let me go to sarah here in jersey. see, sarah, i mean, on this program um from december 17th,

all the way up to the conflict on february 24th, almost every single program i made on those 2 proposals that the russians had at one to nato one to the united states. and of course, we all know the reaction. now, i mean, these are not good faith actors. i mean those were good faith. you can call them ultimatums if you want. look fine. ok. but there was a point of reference me. i did, i, you know, in and then you know, when i look at, you know, the, the, the, the a, we have a call for a, a ceasefire by a def ed secretary law lloyd austin. i mean, well, i wouldn't believe any. i wouldn't believe i wouldn't, i would probably believe a used car salesman more than i would believe the defense secretary right now. i mean, this is really, you know, it's almost impossible. even the wind is conflict out because you don't know who is it you who to talk to, and the people that you might talk to aren't good faith actors. this was on by the west. go ahead. this is about money, about super profits and everything else has flown out the window including bill

back better in the us, 40000000000 dollars in the last, the congressional appropriation along with all the money. it was already flowing in 1000000000 here, 3000000000 there. so much of it goes missing, as we well know in every us war. literally, it's delivered on the tarmac and it's no longer there. now, what was the war meant to do along with the super profits that come from war? because the u. s. economy is 1st and foremost, based on war, on endless war, on super profits to the military industries. but it was also because german investment in russia was 10 times the u. s. investment in russia. their trade with russia. 10 times what us trade was, their german trade with the u. s. so how does the u. s. break this? turn it around, smash and they are willing to smash the e. u. absolutely. who was both

a competitor and an ally and use the nato military machine to do it. so there certainly let me, let me jump in here. i want to give tad the last word here that i'm, that the cynic in me says, the pentagon and in the military industrial complex, they need a replacement for the afghan griffith. and, and the ukraine is the substitute for the griff, they lost in afghanistan, 40 seconds, go ahead. i absolutely agree, but i want to make one quick point about nato peter, which is that it does operate by consensus that may seem like just lip service. but it is a fact that if on korea wants to break consensus on, for example, sweden and finland joining the alliance, they can do so and no one can stop at ted. wow, wow, we have the time, ted. well, we'll have the time. hang on by the why will we have the don't you think that everyone is just wants to make a deal? that's what he always does. that's it. yeah, of course. let's make a deal and he's going to do one of the most favorite terms. he can the most

favorable terms. he can buy extorting the whole alliance. ok, well, you know, extortion, blackmail it. all these things are associated with nato. here as all the time we have our, i want to thank my guest in jersey city, geneva, an intense media, and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t c a next time. remember cross top roles. ah ah, since the break away of the donates people's republic woo has been ranging and don't boss. ukrainian. artillery has been showing civilian towns and mining villages. you're more lovely deal with whatever you want with

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