ah ah ah hello and welcome to cross talk where all things are considered. i'm peter level, the western narrative. ukraine is winning and will win is crumbling. even the new york times it meets as much. the training military is collapsing, none the less, washington and its allies continued to pour in money and arms. it's crunch time for kids. ah . to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess,

george samuel in budapest. he's a podcast or at the goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals. and here in moscow we have to meet bob. it is a political analyst and editor, and you know me, internet media project. i generally cross top roles and affect that means you can jump any time you want. and i would appreciate i. let's start out with george in budapest. i'm sure you came across the tauriel piece and the new york times. and we see now cracks in this narrative that is all pervasive as a matter of fact enforced by. so social media that is much as they want to support the ukrainians. the facts on the ground are working against them and policy has to adapt to it. and it's basically kind of a shot over the bow of the, by the administration. now, asking them, or are you in touch with reality essentially, what did you take away from george? well, i think it's a clear indication of the, the divisions within the u. s. lead, i'm obviously,

if they're some of the people in the pentagon and in their intelligence. well, giving realistic briefing, they say, look, this war is lost. there is no way you frame them when the war that of course, goes in opposition to all of the people in the state department, all of the lincolns, a new and others state, their reputation on this notion that your brain can win this war. this is also meeting with great possibilities in the u. k, where our french foreign secretary list truck again came out with an article the other day saying we must win in ukraine unreservedly. you know, we was put in isn't in your grade. so there were deep divisions and even that as a tauriel that you referred to be elicited a very b, m, and response among read it. we weren't told any of this. so i think there are deep

divisions. i mean, not yet immediately clear how these divisions get to play themselves out. well, the divisions are even more glaring because we have had in the past few new cycle strands. germany and italy openly saying there negotiations and start there has to be a diplomatic solution, which of course is at odds with the i was acting world that it really gung ho this trust here was mentioned that i think i sent you before jordan's, you know, every time she opens her mouth test positive for stupid because especially with her editorials are so, i mean, we keep very united, broad. everyone's goal is obvious here, but the longer this goes on the economic situation than europe. bros, or grave. i'm talking about energy and now the entire issue of global food security is on the agenda in a very big way. so, mean a doubling down,

but who's doubling down and is this essentially an escalation is what they want. go ahead. well, natalie or the great one. what does it mean you would be in the matter to use your model. ready to the g b and they read the role, these people i maybe you'd be maybe defeated. so the war is not going where you,

whatever the right people say, you know, i ran or you know, just people who read in the rain, you shop or you go to the years with all the law in general. we all need the things are made. so the way you want

to see things change in your re it's not only did one and it's all gone. they are here and there is a great environment. they say, why aren't you? we all ok, well live to ga. just add to what demon had to say here. let's say the truth, let's say the obvious here. it's a military dictatorship right now. so you know, the mentor of, you know, we're supporting ukrainian democracy. well, political parties have been ban. there's only one television station. it reflects the, the government line here, and you have these lindsey graham types and lose trust type saying they're fighting

for bond is either right actually defending a military dictatorship, but it does not allow descent and it's never filtered to western public because i truly believe that they were told the true condition, they would say no, no, we didn't, we shouldn't sign up for something like this. go ahead. george is even worse than a military dictatorship because at least if it were a military dictatorship, it would have complete power over the country. and then it would make the difficult decisions that it needs to make. so a reversible policy and just simply saying ok we've, we've tried leave the war route, we fail. we're not going to assume peace. if you're a dictator, you can actually pull it off even though the public is sunday. i thought we were winning. now you tell us that we're losing, it's a little like him here. germany 980. could pull that off. but so essentially ukraine is a military dictatorship. that is not

a matter of its own house. the saying ukraine is being run elsewhere and it's the hours that i go governing your brain from elsewhere that are pushing it to continue this fine. they continue, you know, whether it's less trust, lloyd austin, and they say, well, we have to defeat russia. how much you and what's, what's, what's, what do you want? 20000000. 3xb4xbcb government trillion. what do you want? we were ready to give you anything you want congress api to, to sign off on any amount that you like. so of course your grade is just going to keep saying, yeah, give us more more. i mean, it's a huge money laundering operation. so they're all, they're doing very well, and the ukranian people are just suffering or zone. so it's, it's military dictatorship with none of the benefits that come with a military dictatorship. what lead you brought a big money? because i mean, now we're just going to the 100 by scam on steroids. i mean there's

a lot of money for a lot of people here. and of course, the way the, the us government, the congress and the president taylor. this is basically no spring can do what you want with. i mean, this is really incredible. and as you pointed out earlier, i mean there's every reason, but this will lead in their lives in the west to keep this going on as long as possible because you got a lot of money to spend the. busy all right, and the for the you know, the same for us who, you know, the same, we're going to be and we're in the same you know,

it's not all the boy in the wall or everywhere. so he did when he was he was the government. i showed you your job, logical lower. it will be more and more or why not? when you get there to you, i see you don't

need my people. this is all part of the rules based order. ok, that's one of the, you know, the one of the amendments to interior. george, a deeper brings up a fascinating point, is that not only as ukraine being used as a cudgel against russia, but the us and britain are using ukraine is because, you know, like the rest of ok. a little little puzzling ukraine is calling the shots and telling me you have to do this and you have to come up or hear me. it's really quite an amazing show. and that's exactly what it is. it's a propaganda show. go ahead. it's probably going to show and it's all about reorganizing europe. so we had breakfast, brittany withdrawals from the e u. b u above been managed to get rid of britain because nothing gets to organize

v you in accordance with american wishes. so it gets rid of any kind of a, whatever one called the european dimension. so really all our shows is somewhat, he's the sort of the bed in the wire of the, the nature of crafts, whether it's in london or in washington. they just don't think that he's fully on board with the, with the sanctions regime and everything else with the delivers everything else with nature. so i want to get rid of him, and i want to get rid of anyone at all in europe that we have a country. boy, it's really all about the consolidation of europe. the you as a loyal lieutenant, you think that you creating officials like that would be speaking the germans without the blessing of washington? no, i really don't. i don't believe that your grain would talk like that. about germany . i mean the leading power in europe. the total such open content,

but germany's leaders and germany leaders meekly. exactly. so i think clearly, you know, they'd be, they'd be encouraged from elsewhere. yes. so they, the mentor, keep the russians out, the germans, americans, it works in 2022, doesn't. i gotta jump in here, we're going to go to what you are breaking up. some really say, oh, for a

only one main thing is important for knox ism, internationally speaking, that is, that nation's visits are allowed to do anything, all the mazda races, and then you have the minor nation. so the slave americans, rock obama and others have had a concept of american exceptionalism. international law exists as long as it serves american interest. if it doesn't, it doesn't exist by turning those russians into this. danger is boy man, that wants to take over the world. that was a conscious strategy. so some golf out of it on your own, i english v i n b, i not, she leashed off. tim zebulon and tablet block. nato said it's ours. we move east.

the reason the us had germany is so dangerous, is it the law is the sovereignty of all the countries. the exceptionalism that america uses in its international war planning is one of the greatest threats to the populations of different nations. if nato, what is founded shareholders in united states and elsewhere in lodge obs companies would lose millions and millions wars business and businesses good. and that is the reality of what we're facing, which is fashion with welcome back. across the top were all things are considered on peter lavelle. this is the home edition to remind you were discussing some real news

with go back today my here in moscow. well, we had a really big media story over the last week and it was the merry opal finally fell . the steel works finally fell. but can you explain to us how western media and the ukranian government described that event? i'm not going to put words in your mouth, but you know, it was called evacuation thought schema to make sure you get all the more and all of those that are out of the rush.

so no question. and then i won't be there somehow. you know, they will, they, they are in the right people in the day. and so i was wondering what was the what the, how and the region to

me on the be 3 in the in 13 people in you are. so there you go, you know, the legal and they, the year was full of you know, then you know, i will be really want to know i will be sold from him. they are, they will be where all the queue, you know, i'll be there. okay

. well, of judge the way it was described, they said the vacuum ition, but nobody is allowed to use the word surrender because that would work against the narrative because ukraine is winning. okay. and also upcoming war crimes trials, which is something that i think will shock the, the propaganda narrative of the west because there are soldiers involved. but they're also a neo nazi elements and the russian side for months when i understand these people will be charged for crimes against humanity, more crimes. and it's very well documented. they've been watching these people since 2014. exactly when dina was talking about george. yes, no question incidentally. 2 the west, the media versus the new york time still hasn't been accepted, that mary has flown so they write that according to the russian government. marianna is now under, has been completely fried grove,

ukrainian calls of ukraine government has not confirmed the times is not able to own the russian whenever the ukraine says anything that's always accepted. but when russia has to be independently confirm, i think that will be what struck, i doubt very much those of the western media are going to give much coverage. much like the haven't given much coverage to the lot of fascinating information. the russians are providing about these bio labs in the ukraine and it's a lot of very detailed information that they have on comment documents and everything. it's getting no, no traction in the west. the media, what's, what is playing in west the media and again, and complete the distortion. and i think this, this will play of a very big role as, as the economic crisis unfold this summer is here, this summer. russia is to blame for the food shortages. the energy shortages

suppresses the in the, the western media or russia is blockading ukraine sports. now, to blockade a pole that is a serious walker. if russia were really doing this blockading is really important. we would be really hearing about it. that would be a 30 big deal would be hearing at the united nations everyday, every international or possible. so the very fact that it's kind of flipped in the news stories, not they know that this is untrue, but you still get the propaganda out. the reason your brain is having problems getting. 1 stuff out through the black season, they mind the black sea. and when you mind the blacks, they know insurance companies are not going to handle any shifts because it's just too dangerous that they can't get anything out. so what is happening now is that the europeans, european union is going to lose ukraine. they're just going to get everything out of ukraine. all our agricultural produce, anything that up, you know,

we're going to use that to pay for all the arm that we're giving you. so you will have most of on but almost certainly no food within a few months, you know, the e was just going to lose everything. well, it's one of the, another curiosity, at least, as far as i'm concerned, i'm going back. we are original comment is that you basically agreeing to pay the salaries of civil servants and government officials and ukraine. again, no reason to really want this thing to come to an end because those same officials not always paid on time or not. but now they're going to be guaranteed by the european union as we see increasing energy prices, empty shells, supply chain, all of this going on. but the grain will be all right here. i mean, i can see we have, we have, we can get the millions of migrants we have left. greg got into europe here. i mean,

europe nearby and leadership is really bit off more than they can probably true because it's only going to get worse when you're preparing for when you now as we speak right now. well, when you prepare for the next winter, they're not doing that right now. go ahead and do it again. now when they will be again tomorrow. well, radiant will and then you re quiet the me. oh, you know, the reason why i was doing your key

we thought you might call you yes store, just follow the real and i hope things are getting wrong. basically the idea be

be back. everyone knows. all right, now the way you might be and then well, this is part of the rules based order. ok, that's the way where we're actually running out of georgia. i'm curious, how can you come to my mind, the green new dealers? i mean, this is really a boom for them. ok. everybody gets cold. everybody's. this is part of the industrialization, the or, i mean they love ukraine for this because that's a good reason to cut off all this energy here. and of course, you know, when all that energy speaking turned off for some reason, there's going to be a lot more sunshine for solar. and it's going to be a whole lot more when you know, i don't know where, why they think this, but i think they do go ahead and like you're right. it's actually very funny in

that he shows up the fact you is this all the green you deal. basically there is no alternative to fossil fuels. so once you basically cut yourself in fossil fuel, there's no, there's no way there's no energy. i mean, it basically will, german industrialism will come to our show, say we got nothing 0, you know, you've got us all from, you know, russian, oil and gas. we're going to be back to where we were in 1940. 1 so all the dog, you know, with the sunshine, well it's nothing 0. i mean it's, it's never, there was only reliance on fossil fuels. so a lot of that, i think a big market with 44 who would have thought in 2022. the germans would implement it on there. and so, i mean, it was a

great the naturalization, but this is supposed to be the economic powerhouse of europe. so that is your wellness. i think, you know, you've been speaking of the green party here. i mean, this is one of the most wish of narratives i've ever seen from the one, maybe the president. i mean, there, there were the greens in germany. what are some of the most pro nato atlanta says the ball, but they're also new dealers. so, i mean, this is really, really twisted because for them to be pro nato, they have to have a lot of energy to fuel their tanks and all these other things. i mean, it's really wasted. it's almost, it's running last 3. 0, well they say we have a i

a i and all the time we have here when i think my guess in budapest and here in mouse government, i think our viewers were watching a c a r t c next time. remember ah ah ah, when i was a because of the african and engagement, it was the trail. when so many find themselves worlds apart, we choose to look for common ground.

ah, who is the aggressor to day? i'm authorizing the additional strong sanctions. today russia is the country with the most sanctions imposed against it. and um, but as constantly growing, i figure which of the problem was to call soon as we speak on the bill in your senior, mostly mine the shuttle were banding all in ports of russian oil and gas news. i know they plenty of those with info. look, i can get away pretty good regarding joe, by imposing these sanctions on russia. jo has destroy the american economy. you so there's your boomerang. ah

ah, north atlantic alliance recognizance aircraft wolf ships cruising close to russia's borders. have become commonplace along with military hardware redeployment and large scale exercises. nato has also developed its offensive capability near the russian borders every year, a russian back resolution is submitted to the un against the glorification of nonce is of the outcome is always the same. the u. s. votes against it. and in recent years with ukrainian backing with typically that you obtains.