lucy, morsey mine the we're, we're banding all imports of russian oil and gas new g. i. g. with regard to joe by imposing these sanctions on russia has destroyed the american economy. so there's your boomerang. ah, ah, ah, ah. hello and welcome to cross talk where all things are considered. i'm peter level, the western narrative. ukraine is winning and will win is crumbling. even the new

york times it meets as much. the ukrainian military is collapsing, none the less, washington and its allies continued to pour in money in arms. it's crunch time for kit. ah. to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, george samuel leon, budapest. he's a podcast or at the goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals. and here in moscow we have to meet bob edge. he is a political analyst and editor, and he knows me internet media project. i generally crossed up rules and effect. that means he can jump anytime you want, and i would appreciate i. let's start with georgian in budapest. i'm sure you came across the tauriel piece and the new york times. and it's that we see now cracks in this narrative, that is all pervasive as matter fact enforced by. so social media that is much as they want to support the ukrainians. the facts on the ground are working against

them and policy has to adapt to it. and it's basically kind of aim shot over the bow of the biden ministration. now, asking them, or are you in touch with reality essentially, what did you take away from george? well, i think it's a clear indication of the, the divisions within the u. s. lead, obviously, if they're some of the people in the pentagon and in their intelligence, well, giving realistic briefing, they say, look, this war is lost, there is no way you frame them when the war. now of course goes in opposition to all the people in the state department, all of the lincolns and newlands and others to upstate their reputation on this notion that ukraine can win this war. this is also meeting with great possibilities in the u. k. where our french foreign secretary lists truck again came out

with an article the other day saying we must win in ukraine unreservedly. you know, we was in ukraine. so there were deep divisions and even that as a tauriel that you referred to be elicited a very b, m, and response among read it. we weren't told any of this. so i think there are deep divisions and it's not yet immediately clear how these divisions get to play themselves out. well, the end of the divisions are even more glaring because we have had, in the past few new cycle spreads germany and italy openly saying there negotiations and start there has to be a diplomatic solution, which of course is at odds with the faxing world that is just really gung ho this trust here was mentioned, i think i sent you before jordan's, you know, every time she opens her mouth as positive for stupid because that's essentially

what her edit royals are. so i mean, we keep very united broad. everyone's goal is obvious here, but the longer this goes on in the economic situation than europe grows or grave, i'm talking about energy and now the entire issue of global food security is on the agenda in a very big way. so, i mean, a doubling down, but who's doubling down and is this essentially an escalation and what they want to go ahead? well, natalie or the will agree what. what does it mean to be in the matter tomorrow? what do you want

to do? the ged, are they roll the people? i maybe you maybe so the or is not going where you whatever the right people. i mean, you know, i will need all your, you know, just people who read there would be in your brain, you shop or, you know, then you're going to need to use

a room with all the law in general. we all need the really the main. so the way you want to go see g, r c, you re, you know, it's not a good one, bye. and it's all we do even if they are here. and there is a great environment. they say, why are we all ok, well, if you're george is a sad to a demon. had to say here, let's say the truth,

let's say the obvious here, it's a military dictatorship right now. so you know, the mentor of, you know, we're supporting ukrainian democracy. well, political parties have been ban, there's only one television station. it reflects the government line here, and you have these lindsey graham types and lose trust type saying they're fighting for demography. they're actually defending a military dictatorship, but it does not allow descent and it's never filtered to western public because i truly believe that they were told the true condition. they would say no, no, we didn't. we shouldn't sign up for something like this. go ahead. george is even worse than a military dictatorship because at least if it were a military dictatorship, it would have complete power over the country, and then it would make the difficult decisions that it needs to make. so a reversal policy and just simply saying ok we've,

we've tried to leave the war root, we fail, we're not going to assume peace. if you're a dictator, you can actually pull it off even though the public is sunday. i thought we were winning. now you tell us that we're losing, it's a little like him here. germany in 1980 could pull that off. but so essentially ukraine is a military dictatorship. that is not a matter of its own house. the saying ukraine is being run elsewhere and it's the hours that i go governing your brain from elsewhere that are pushing it to continue this fine. they continue, you know, whether it's less trust, lloyd austin. and they say, well, we have to defeat russia, how much you want, what's, what's, what's, what do you want? 20000000. 3xb4xbcb. government trillion. what do you want? we're ready to give you anything. you want congress api to, to sign off on any amount. that's right. so of course your grade is just going to keep saying, yeah, give us more more. i mean, it's a huge money laundering operation. so they're all,

they're doing very well. and the ukranian people are just suffering as a result of military dictatorship with none of the benefits that come with a military dictatorship. well, glad you brought a big money because, i mean, now we're just going to the 100 by scam on steroids. i mean, there's a lot of money for a lot of people here. and of course, the way the, the us government, the congress and the president taylor. this is basically no spring can do what you want with. i mean, this is really incredible. as you pointed out earlier, i mean there's every reason, but this will lead in their allies in the west to keep this going on as long as possible because you got a lot of money to spend it be all right, and for the you know,

the same for us, who, you know, who they were going to be and we're in the same you know, it's not all the boys said it was a wall or everywhere you can do any. so he went around. he was he was a government i showed you,

you're a, a, a, a, a, this is all part of the rules based order. ok, that's one of the, you know, the one of the amendments do it here. george, it brings up a fascinating point. is that not only is ukraine being used as a cultural against russia, but us and britain are using ukraine as a country against the rest of europe. ok. little little puzzling ukraine is, you know, calling the shots and telling me you have to do this and you have the cop up for us here. i mean, it's really quite an amazing show and that's exactly what it is. it's

a propaganda show. go ahead. it's probably going to show when it's all about reorganizing of europe. so he breaks it, britain, withdraw from the u. the u back been managed to get rid of britain because now britain gets to organize the, you know, in accordance with american wishes. so it gets rid of any kind of a, whatever want to go to the european dimension. so really all i show is somebody is the sort of the best in the nature of crap, whether it's in london or in washington, they just don't think that he's fully on board with, with the sanctions regime and, and everything else with the arms delivers everything else with nature, so i want to get rid of him and i want to get rid of anyone at all in europe that we have a country voice. it's really all about the consolidation. if you, us a lieutenant. do you think that you creating

officials like that would be speaking the germans without the blessing of washington? no, i really don't. i don't believe that you grain with talk like that about germany. i mean the leading power in europe to total such open contempt. but germany's leaders and germany leaders meekly. exactly. so i think clearly, you know, they do, they be encouraged from elsewhere. yes. so they the mentor, keep the russians out, the germans, americans in works in 2022 doesn't. i got to jump in here. we're going to go to which are breaking up some really say, ah, ah,

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a with artificial intelligence. real, somebody with a robot protective own existence with a welcome back to cross top where all things are considered on peter la bell. this is the home addition to remind you were discussing some real news. let's go back to demo here in moscow. well, we had a really big media story over the last week and it was the merry opal finally fell of the still works finally fell. but can you explain to us how western media and

the ukranian government describe that event? i'm not going to put words in your mouth, but you know, it was called evacuation thought schema. to make sure you will get all the more and all the remnants of the day. so no, i won't be there. somehow they will be the only user in the

right people in my day and so i was wondering what was the reason why they want to be in the g 30 people so there you go. you

know, the legal and the year was full of you know, then you know what the really want to know. i will be. so they are they are, they will be where will be the queue. you know, are they will be there. okay, well the judge, the way it was described, they said the vacuum ition, but nobody is allowed to use the word surrender because that would work against the narrative because ukraine is winning. okay. and also upcoming war crimes trials, which is something that i think will shock the, the propaganda narrative of the west because there are soldiers involved. but there

are also a neo nazi elements and the russian side for months when i understand these people will be charged for crimes against humanity, more crimes. and it's very well documented. they've been watching these people since 2014. exactly. when demon was talking about george. yes, no question. incidentally. 2 the west, the media versus the new york time still hasn't been accepted that mary swollen so they write that according to the russian government. marianna is now under, has been completely fried grove, ukrainian calls the ukraine government has not confirmed, and the times is not able to own the russian whenever the ukraine says anything that's always accepted. but when russia has to be independently confirm, i mean, i think that will be what struck i doubt very much those of the western media are

going to give much coverage. much like the haven't given much coverage to the lot of fascinating information. the russians are providing about these bio labs in the ukraine and it's a lot of very detailed information that they comment documents and everything. it's getting no, no traction in the west. the media. what's, what is playing in west the media and again, and complete the distortion. and i think this, this will play of a very big role as, as the economic crisis unfold this summer is here, this summer, russia is to blame for the food shortages, the energy shortages suppresses the live, the, the western media are well, the roster is blockading, ukraine's bullets now, to blockade or poll, that is a serious walker. if russia were really doing this blockading is really important. we would be really hearing about it. that would be a 30 big deal would be hearing at the united nations every day,

every international or possible. so the very fact that it's kind of slipped in the news stories, not they know that this is untrue, but you still get the propaganda out. the reason your brain is having problems getting. 1 stuff out through the black season, they mind the black sea. and when do you mind the blacks? they know insurance companies are not going to handle any shifts because it's just too dangerous so they can't get anything out. so what is happening now is that the europeans, european union is going to lose ukraine. they're just going to get everything out of ukraine. all our agricultural produce, anything that, you know, we're going to use that to pay for all the arm that we're giving you. so you will have lots of on, but almost no food within a few months, you know, the e was just going to lose everything will be met. one of the, another curiosity, at least, as far as i'm concerned, going back we are original comment is that you is basically agreeing to pay the

salaries of civil servants and government officials in ukraine. again, no reason to really want this thing to come to an end because those same officials not always paid on time or not. but now they're going to be guaranteed by the european union as we see increasing energy prices, empty shells, supply chain, all of this going on. but the grain will be all right here. i mean, i can see, and we have, we have, we can get of the millions of migrants that have left. greg got into europe here. i mean, beginning european, the european leadership is really bit off more that they can probably true because it's only going to get worse when you're preparing for when you do it now as we speak right now, when you prepare for the next winter, they're not doing that right now go ahead. well yes, we do

the games now. ready will be again tomorrow. well, radiate will and then you raise the quiet the me oh, you know, the reason why the key we thought you might oh by the way

you yeah right. storage. bottled real all the way and the way things are getting worse. basically the idea, the rain me back, everyone knows. all right, now, you know, you could be basically, you might be well, this is part of the rules based order. ok,

that's the way we're after doing run out of georgia. i'm curious, i can comes in my mind, the green new dealers. i mean, this is really a boom for them. okay. everybody gets cold. everybody's. this is part of the industrialization near. i mean, they love ukraine for this because that's a good reason to cut off all this energy here. and of course, you know, once all of that energy speaking turned off for some reason, there's going to be a lot more sunshine for solar. and there's going to be a whole lot more when you know, i don't know where, why they think this, but i think they do go ahead. and that's exactly right. it's actually very funny in that he shows up the, the fatuous, that's all the green you do. basically, there is no alternative to fossil fuels. so once you basically cut yourself in fossil fuel, there's no, there's no way there's no energy. i mean, it's basically a german industrialism will come to our show, say we got it because it 0, you know, you've got a cell from, you know,

russian oil and gas. we're going to be back to where we were in 1940. 1 so all the dog, you know, with the sunshine, well it's nothing 0. i mean there was only reliance on fossil fuels of living. i have a list of that i think would be the market a. busy for a 2022, the germans went implemented on there. and so, i mean, it was a great the nationalization, but now this is supposed to be the economic powerhouse of europe. so when you are doing well and you know you've been speaking of the green party here, i mean, this is one of the most wish of narratives i've ever seen from the one maybe the

present. i mean there, there were the greens in germany. what are some of the most pro nato atlanta system all but they're also new dealers. so i mean this is really, really twisted because for them to be pro nagle, they have to have a lot of energy to fuel their tanks and all these other things. i mean it's really wasted. it's almost, it's a brand last 3. yeah. all right, well they say we have a, i a, i mean that's all the time we have here when i think my guess in budapest and here in mosque i want to thank our viewers for watching a c r t next time. remember, ah ah

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a concept of american exceptionalism. international law exist as long as it serves the american interest. if it doesn't, it doesn't exist by turning those russians into this dangerous go. you man, that wants to take over the world. that was a conscious strategy. so some wolf out of it on your own. i not leashed off to exhibit in tablet loc. nato said it's out. we move east and the reason us, hey jim, it is so dangerous, is it the lie? the sovereignty of all the countries. the exceptionalism that america uses in its international war planning is one of the greatest threats to the populations of different nations. if nature, what is bad shareholders in united states and elsewhere in large obs companies would lose millions and millions? or is business and business is good and that is the reality of what we're facing,

which is fashion and a. and so right now we're moving deeper into the hands of stuff. we're moving towards one of the tunnels. so what is actually shocking here is not the place even itself, but the sheer scale of it are correspond it reports exclusively from inside the as office steel plump getting access to the former height of ukrainian truth softer. the last group of them surrendered, ending at 3 months each. also ahead on the program, joe biden states the u. s. is ready to intervene militarily, if china meliss reaction against turkey's president once again expresses his opposition to finland, unsweetened succession, to.