samantha deal inform and the issue is not just about the guard, it's also with regards to assurances what happens at the united states suddenly under biden pulls out of the deal. what happens to that say investors and also the issue of sanctioned entities and other issues. so it's not just about the guards, americans like to make it about the guards because they want to hide the fact that they are not. they are so far resisting, pulled implementation idea that would be that would be able to bring about the full implementation of the nuclear deal, right? run on the u. s. to appear to be moving slowly down the path of normalizing the relations, especially in the sphere of energy. what are the prospects of normalization now? well, there is no normalization biden continues to impose maximum pressure of sanctions. he is pursuing the same policy as did trump. but the problem is that the american

by thanksgiving iran and sanctioning venezuela and now sanctioning the rations, they've created an energy crisis. and so they need iranian oil desperately. so they have no option the europeans, other countries, but to buy iranian oil. so, ironically, by sanctioning russia, the europeans and the american, they've increased russian well through the export of energy. and they allow the ram to export all of its oil and gas. and the same as well as whether you want does not have enough oil or gasoline or other products to satisfy its customers right now, and it's selling at a maximum price time has peyton, this, but thank you so much for giving us your take on the story side mohammed mirandi academic speaking to us from the iranian capital. the okay, some news just to bring you coming in from ghana, sun, where its capital carpool,

has seen a series of explosions and go off the has rubbed, that korea has reportedly been damaged in a blast. the mosque, there are no casualties reported so far. we will update you of course on this story we will get more information on the situation in the us county capital ok to negotiate are not to the peers. ukraine's president isn't quite sure. next cross talk debates, just walk, he has official position. ah ah, ah ah, ah. hello and welcome to cross

stock were all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle. while the west maintains its anti russian rhetoric and backed up with ever more sanctions, the position of official care is not so clear when addressing the davos crowd ukraine's zalinski called for negotiations. one of his chief negotiators refuted this. so where does he have stand? with cross talking official care, i'm joined by my guess, margaret kimberly in new york, she is executive editor of black agenda report in paris. we have rachel marson. she is a political columnist, strategist in talk show host and in hong kong we have angel, juliano. he is a political in financial analysts or across stock rules and effect, that means he can jump in any time he want. and i always appreciate i. let's go to our guest in hong kong 1st here. i mentioned davis in my introduction zalinski talking about there has to be negotiations. also. his chief negotiate refuted that

immediately after the ukrainian president of henry kissinger is someone i usually don't invoke in this program. but he was also at davos. he said, the conflict with russia must end in 2 months, or it will spiral out of control. so negotiate or not to negotiate. and someone that i don't have a whole lot of respect for, for his political history, but his intellect is something you have to deal with here. so a, where do we stand and all of this here go head in hong kong. ah, well peter, this is all rhetoric we should look at fact not, not the words here. and in these knots is search ellensby is clearly not willing to negotiate. and we have to actually challenge her easy, really, the wanting power. we all know that these pressed by neo nazis. and you ever saw washington that have the last say so he's, you know, the power has been hijacked since 2014 in ukraine. ukrainians have nor se,

ukraine is not a subbing state. it's not that democracy. a, you have a part of the population, a russian population is a 2nd. our 2nd grade citizens are they've been parties to have been made. yes, it is clear enough that democracy is so we need to challenge who's, who is in power here. and it's probably the decisions are taken in washington. zelinski is never change, his job is still the same. he's an actor, he's a comedian, and he is a script and the script is written by this. yea. ok. well ours, pretty so. thank they are not something i've been thinking for going along and let me go to margaret here. i mean, one of the interesting things is that we have a riff with a within the western ally. and so with the bow, a french president, a crown kind of on his own, but ineffectual, i would say largely, um, is that no negotiations in the french presence as always at least keep talking here . all along events are playing out. western media doesn't want to talk about the true state of a military affairs and ukraine. the vast majority of the ukrainian army is in the

east and it's being absolutely crushed, though that's not being mentioned. i suppose at $40000000000.00, griff bits bit there started with washington. they hope will change it, but are all in this is where we stand right now. and i'm really glad that we heard this is not about democracy because we know light austin, the defense secretary said his, the u. s. position is to weaken russia, so the mask is come off. this is where we stand. we stand at war without any one invoking it yet. go ahead, margaret. yes, it's some. yeah. you're absolutely right. i anyone really knows what they're talking about. knows that ukraine is losing. so we, when we hear about this equipment that's going to be sent there and, and we have to point out, you know, a lot of this equipment takes weeks or even months to learn how to use. if the army is being destroyed, ukraine is taking huge casualties. so it's turned into a big surprise, a cash cow for the military industrial complex. it was never really about caring

about ukraine. the object of this war is, as the defense secretary said, to try to weaken russia, which is not going to happen. russia's military is stronger than ukraine, obvious, of course, they were a going to win all this talk of russia being a gas station masquerading as a country. and all these stupid comments obviously are untrue. they are impoverishing the entire world in a futile effort to try to weaken our russia economically. there has to be negotiations, but i worry because biden, and his team of amateurs don't have a plan b. it let's, let's expand upon that rachel here because what i do see here is mission creep. okay. and it's when it really no coincidence that the griffith of afghanistan was over last year. and now, even though that the sums of money are getting more and more similar,

there are people in washington talking about $3.00 trillion dollars. that should light should go off in your brain there. that was what the afghan griff cost is here. i mean, it did, it seems like there's very few winners in this at all, and mostly people on the ground all across the globe are the biggest losers. of course, the arms manufacturers, the lobbyist, the, the hunter, biden's upsets world. they make money off of it. go ahead. rachel, you know, i think peter, that maybe mission creep in be all objective to the whole thing. because it seems like the objective on the part is the states which really has no interest in putting attention this party. this party is to divide russia from the year and seems to be working obviously and also prolong this conflict so that russia is tied up and can't get involved in other activities when the main focus or at least that's those are the object. but i think the reality is that this is going

to all be dictated by economics and largely from europe. because my whole is already starting to ignore the 2 are friends of all the fact that they can't go on forever. we saw that the italian prime minister at the 4 ministers meeting last friday, the trend table of work point plan for peace here doesn't seem to be too interested in it. but the fact that he even brought that up to just that he's probably be disgusted with his counterpart here in europe. and there probably some work for it . and the fact that he presented it officially to antonio gutierrez, who's the center general, the nations who's already made a trip to moscow shop that maybe there's some interest in having him bring it forward and see what can be done with it. the fact that kia doesn't seem to be interested in it right now, probably largely a factor of just the reality that united states and you're seem to still be

somewhat behind it. but as that solitary and unity and liskey did touch on that point, this solid area is each of this week. i think we could see things started to change . yeah, it's interesting the point that i'm, let's go back to hong kong, angelo. it's very interesting that this whole idea of solidarity there are, there is a level of western fall dirty. but if you look at, you know, you're in hong kong, i, by the way, i mean, i eat this effort to isolate russia. but if you look at it broadly, it's the europeans and the american allies are getting more and more isolate people just not on board for this. okay, i'm sorry, ravia came out in the last news. i will say we're not getting involved when i get involved this, you know, this is your fight. ok. the indians feel that way. obviously the chinese feel that way. um, if the issue was to isolate itself, isolation and europeans were never supposed to be hurt by sanctions. there being hurt more by side the sanctions than russians,

at least at this point. go ahead. well, what the leading here is. busy i think we should look more globally, this transition between a, from a going from a uniform, a world she a multiple, a worth in. i think this was her. those countries day they were didn't improvised. the position of india probably were stalks. they did talk to each other in i think this is the time the timing is, is and how can i say i could, how can i put it? i think it's a combined effort from the global soft, the reaction. the hair is, is a coordinated. and i think i think china worked so closely with russia to prepare to what we're living here. keep in mind that or, or everything that we're living right now, the in ukraine, enter. so in taiwan, you have a think that the papers and for example, the rand corporation, they already planned that. they talked about of window of opportunity between 2015 to 2025. where they can contain china. and part of containing chinese contain

russia. so the 1st step is, contain russia. so you can actually see, you can move because russia is, it gives a lot of oil and gas to, to china. and then the last, the last goal is china. and you see, i mean it's not a coincidence that you have by than no that he's going to sell korean and japan, she beg dentures to g, you had them in she containing china. well, i think go to margaret. i think binds trip is very comical. i mean, they, they, they want to get the chinese on board against russia, but their goal is going around the, the pacific rim, the rim to trying to create an alliance against china. i mean, this is a childish, a juvenile thinking here. i, i really don't know who is coming up with these plans here, but i mean, i don't think the chinese watching all this take it very seriously or whatsoever. go ahead in new york. well i of course, they don't, no one does i, i,

i find it amusing that the u. s. can spend all these years accusing china of having concentration camps and all manner of things and trying to a cause, a disruption in hong kong, and then turn around and expect china to turn against their strategic ah, partner. so yes, this trip is going to be a failure. none of these countries wants to be used the way ukraine is being used. excellent point. excellent point. yes and, but you're trying to do that to taiwan. it just astounds me that having had ukraine blow up in their faces, they're now trying to replicate their failure with taiwan. this administration is incredibly dangerous biden. his i did not vote for him, i never supported him, but he is 10 times worse than i thought he would be. that he has gone from creating one disaster to trying to create

a new one. but i think people need to see it's the u. s. that's isolated, it's not russia. the rest of the world is telling the u. s. know, you have little vassals, states like the u. k. and the other european countries, they're the only ones going along with this calamity of washington's making. well, if it's very interesting because very few people and particularly in western media, whatever i'll describe that is the case here. but you know, the, you're absolutely right. in the 2nd part of the program, i want to talk about the costs and sacrifices that have to be made for this policy and the dangers that are down the line here. i'm gonna jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on official can't stay with

i was just on your way in. yeah. how many times when i want to with this with you, i guess with you, i'm with

full credit. it's going to be out of wood, from beach to still easy to the station, but in the board with with

ah, welcome back. across like were all things are considered? i'm peter labelle, remind you. we're discussing official kids. ah . okay, it's good. it's go back to rachel in paris. i used to work the term official care because eg genuflecting to our guest in hong kong. is it because of the result of the illegal change of power and i in cabin 2014. that's why i call it official camp . i. rachel, i erm. russia must not be allowed to win. this is the mantra that we hear through the halls of power in the west, but they're not going to lose this. that's for sure. why? because it's considered existential. here and this is what the, the part, the problem of western policy is, is that they don't want to see russia when,

but russia knows that it cannot lose. that is a situation that is direly dangerous. go ahead, rachel. well, i think at this point, all they're interested in doing here in the west is just tying up russia destroying the european economy, which obviously europe isn't willingly going to do. why re telling how i want to know why, why? i mean, that is the question. i can't get my head around god, why? well, because the people who run the show, they have an ideological ax to grind against russia. and for some reason we have this, we're kind of math, syria. math is on the part of our leaders where they are no courage on the part in any of them to really stand up and say, hey look, you know what? we shouldn't be doing this. this might be american john the america. why? but it's really productive. instead they all just pop more like we see than it was

pretty much everything else. and we're going to be stuck with the bill. well, the 2 big economic and military engineers of the you, frank, germany, and that doesn't mean the leader that they have no problem. they get advice, cars, they get there, you know, they're a lot, 11, huge salaries. they don't really have to worry about much like their feet on the ground. they're not ready both to check the price. yes. even here in the french election, running for office, couldn't even tell the media when asked what, what the latest price bag yet what you think people really care about? what we're doing, what's on the ground, as average citizens in your know, all they care about is their id, like the judge, and they are really hell bent on achieving it. yeah. but rachel isn't quite curious, but that i would agree that you know, the united states it's, it's rubbing his hands with glee that they, at least this point in time. they have had gemini, over a year, a big, you know,

they got everybody in line. they get to get rid of sergeant and shelton, germany real quick. they don't like social democrats. ok. they'll get rid of him. ok. and they'll see us. ok. but then what's it worth? what is the price worth when its productivity will go to 0? what is the price of europe if it's worthless? rachel? well, well, i didn't know about what's going on right now, is you can learn by looking about what happened last fall when france got screwed out of the summary. a summary, you know, with australia by the united states, which john didn't grab that you were talking tens of hundreds of billions of dollars over many, many years. huge deal price economy and that military industrial complex. and at the time they were fresh, young girls who are italy, me, france, she really just pull out of a desk. they, she really is getting because they just read over by the united states and realize that what did you he settled for

a little bit of help in the region where they're trying. yeah. anyway, has to just be kicked out of molly's actually got left empty handed and what did you decide? they're shots. so that's all you really need to know about european leadership and how they're handling everything. these of, you know, well, angela, me go to you and hong kong. is it continue? rachel was saying, you know what? why didn't sergeant schultz? that's what i call him in germany, because that's how essentially he goes to washington. d. c gets insulted to his face and he smiles. ok, then it comes to moscow and he says, you know, words of genocide and, and ethnic cleansing and don bass is laughable. well, i mean, what kind of german chancellor talks like that given germany's history but, but anyway, is so, you know, we have the french really screw, agree about that deal, then you know, you, the americans essentially want germany to turn off it's, it's an industry. so why don't the french and the germans say, yeah, we're out of nato. what this is your gig? we don't want it. rachel's right, there's no courage, no intellectual courage in the european union. go ahead in hong kong. i think it's

very important to, to put to the context. i mean, what is the you, how was it that you created your, the e, you was a u. s. initiative after what, what, what you do germany who are so she could see that she be the father of the e. u was on the payroll of the cia. so the e u was an initiative from the us to better control europe. so you see the process after what were you, you had a gradual loss of sovereignty in democracy because europeans had no say the elect, some people that go to brussels, but then you are, we don't elect vandelay and she was nothing like that by me. as i'm italian, no, i didn't elect the lion is done behind closed doors. so it's a, it's an entity which is extremely undemocratic, which is controlled by the lobbies, or they had no say, normally normal cars, you would have france and germany to take the decisions when he takes,

when comes to foreign policy. here we see clearly that the, you, we sticking to the, the decisions well and, and women if you can do that. so we should respect to their not democracy in ukraine and ignore democracy in the european. no, i mean, no one is ever voted for the superstate that they want to create. they will never put it up for a vote because it won't pass. okay. and when they have referenda don't pass, they have another one until they finally get what they want. that's their diminished understanding of democracy. murdered, were wrapped rapidly running out of time. you know, one of the things that's happening and maybe this is exactly what these leads want . they want to complete breach of breaking rush away from europe. well, that's in the cards. and irrespective of how this military operation in ukraine is settled, there is a breach here that will be a, a new cold war for generations with an s here. will rush has got other things to do . the world doesn't to stop for, for the west. okay. go ahead. no, it doesn't,

and i, you know, that's part of the, the danger of the united states. we have these people who are simply delusional. they think that i'm and i'm, i'm sure the sections of have arm a sure. but if not with a things going to happen, ah, the value of the ruble is going up. they have increased pain all over the world, rising fuel prices, rising food prices, food shortages throughout the global south nations. we who can least afford to go through this. and for what, for a vein dream that they can weaken russia break up rush or contain rush, or their big fantasy is to get another yeltsin in power. so they can uh, pick rushes resources apart at will, none of which is going to happen. and there has to be someone in this world who is thinking clearly, who knows this is all of us really dangerous fantasy. and that will stop this destruction that the u. s. and b, it's battles in europe are, are behind. and yes,

this break is irreparable. but russia is prepared now to turn its back on europe, and we'll see how well the, the u. s. takes care of europeans, even those that do whatever it wants it to do. you know, rachel, it, we've been on the food shortages have been brought up here. this is a very real thing. so, i suppose it's a rhetorical question on my part. so to weaken break up russia, it's, it's, it's, we're seeing the world starve. and that, that as is the level of cynicism well we, we've seen what happened in work where the united states and we saw what happened when they pulled back gallons down in big rush. and what's happened there? we saw the state in which they left iraq and other countries in latin america. i don't think that's really a big consideration in the higher key priorities. yeah,

but i think rachel, i thought it was the rules based order and the west is morally superior to everyone . you know, and they invoke, well, they do it sporadically. international law. i mean, it's really quite amazing. let me go to hong kong here it's, it's really quite amazing to me that, that they put on these errors all the time. but it only when it serves their political, economic, and financial interests, all the rest doesn't really matter. rachel brought up a rate examples of western virtue when the world go ahead. i. 3 i think the virtue should be, it should be about tangible reserves or the west they, they sell you the idea, you know, it's, it's just a, it's a, it's a fig democracy, a democracy should be. the legitimacy should come from, from the satisfaction of people. i've lived in china 27 years. i talked to chinese, they're happy with the system. it doesn't need to please me. it please needs to please them 95 percent according to howard university study. 95 percent of people

are happy with the c p. c, y, because if the livery is the living, you know, people are looking for tangible results in the west is premises. it's about showmanship is above the politicians that he's going to make the, the promise i'm expecting. and he's never gonna delivery. and that this is what we're living, the faith, democracy of the west and in asia, they're not naive. they don't want that system because if it doesn't deliver it, margaret i, i'm glad that we were witnesses. what we heard from angel here. i mean, the way i look at very broadly is this is the, the failure in the end of neo liberalism. and this is kind of a last gasp here. it's really a when you, when we look at this gambit with ukraine, which is all intentional, this could have easily, easily been avoided. and we're talking about i a containing china. this is their last throw of the dice here, because a multi polar world is here. and it's something these people cannot accept,

go ahead margaret. you know, they cannot accept it. and i, i just wanted to add about this. they, they love to use the word democracy even as they undermine the people at every stage. you know, here in the u. s. biden has broken every campaign promise, every single one. they are so cynical they know what people want, and that's why they make the promise. but when they get into office, there is, there's always a dog and pony show and a good cop bad cop. to explain away their failures, but it is a uniform polar world. there is no turning back. but i again have to say, i fear that these people who are running u. s. foreign policy. don't know that they don't have a plan b. this is their role of the dice to try to keep the game going. but the only way to keep it going is to do something dangerous. we meet people who have common sense, who can say that we must have peaceful coexistence with other countries. this

notion of controlling the whole world will doom us all to failure at the very least . and wor, at the worst. yeah. the i, we, we don't deserve these leads that, that's for sure. or that's all the time we have here many thanks them i guess in new york, paris and in hong kong. and thanks to our viewers are watching us here. darky. see you next time. remember our cycles? ah, for long when i chose seemed wrong when old fools just a whole new world is yet to seek out disdain. because the african and engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves worlds apart,

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