a good many people do ah, ah ah, likely lord british and lord. not only is it loaded, but it is also locked. so one careless step, one careless push on this thing will open fire off they look at the ongoing efforts to d, mind the above all industrial area and mario on which was the episode to refine good reason, weeks between the russian forces and hold up ukrainian nationalist a between israeli police and palestinians continue with the jewish nationalist march through jerusalem's old city thaws. a prominent finished journalist has publicly burned the

nato flag in a protest against his country joining the blog. he's calling on fellow things to express that anger at the move, claiming the media. it's not completely under nato's control. nato will not increase finance security. there are many people in finland who i can, especially because the block is increasing tensions with russia. with a one welcome. you're watching the weekly on the international. when you do the latest headlines along with the stories that dominates the week, it's good to have you with us. i'm oscar has said it has an elaborate planned by ukranian. nationalists forces to provoke a response from moscow by shelling russian territory from the north east in ukrainian city to me near the border. they then planned to detonate chemical reserves in the area and claim russia was respond about making it appear as if

a had lost a chemical attack. elsewhere in the water and poll says he has mario post. civilian life has been gradually returning to normal following 2 months of intense fighting . russian forces have been de mining the harbor area, enabling the 1st commercial vessel to enter the waters since the war started. alarms, 13000 explosives reportedly been uncovered in the area. the mining operations are also under way of the citizens of sol, industrial plants, which was the epicenter, were fighting between russia and ukraine. and forces in recent weeks will then take 1000 ukrainian trips, surrendered that and now their former positions are being inspected. for booby traps are correspond to the eco stone of reports from the area of warning, you may find some of the following images disturbing. so this is the place where the as of new nazi battalion try to break through the encirclement and will somehow get to the other. sure. some were swimming across this river. at least tried woke. they failed. and as you can see,

this place is in ruins. they're still mines are scattered across this place and there's an armored personnel carrier behind me as well that toppled and fell into the river. and if you were to peak around the corner, just like i did in the beginning, you can still see some of its crew floating in the water as, as of was trying to escape the plan to escape the as of style steelworks. they tried to gain a foothold here under this bridge, making it a temporary shelter for them. a rush, an air raid found them and while they failed, they couldn't escape. and here you can see all sorts of weapons and equipment scattered around the place, like there's a rocket launcher over there, a, a vest and armored vest over here you have a 2nd rocket launcher, likely in and lower british and law. not only is it loaded, but it is also locked. so one careless step,

one careless push and this thing will open fire. all these vehicles around me were destroyed. full of armaments full of weapons, machine guns, sub machine guns, assault rifles, grenades, you name it here. you can also see plenty of cases like this case from some miss our launch. unfortunately, i can't tell which one exactly, probably an american made stinger. so all these vehicles they carried some sort of armaments for the as of battalion. and quite interestingly enough, this one is a civilian car. yet if you look under the seats here, you can see minds 120 and caliber. so they were disguising themselves as civilians, and they will shipping, transporting weapons to the as of neo nazi battalion at the plant while and here a group of as of neo nazi fighters. this is where they rested one last time before making the final push. you can see stretches here,

probably this is where they treated their wandered little bit over here you can see special medical scissors that were designed specifically to cut clothes on an injured person. also a lot of bullets and even grenades scattered all over this place. thousands of israeli police have class with palestinians protesting against a jewish nationalist march to muslim areas of jerusalem is old city. let's take a look at some of the latest pictures from the c ah ah continued functions of warned that the national flag waving parade that is now under way. could we ignite that conflict with israel?

protest is reported. he threw stones and short fireworks at police who responded with don grenades and not some of them in the cities mosque. officials at least 18 palestinians have been arrested with the event comes as a particularly time high tensions and fun is the death of a prominent palestinian american journalist who was short during an israeli military rate last year the parade house box 11 day war between israel and thomas, the rulers of the palestinian gaza strip. residents of gaza have expressed their concerns about the jewish nation as presence. well i, we expect the resistance to respond. it cannot remain silent in the face of such matters. hustling the alexa mosque is a red line, but it's forbidden to cross by anyone. and it is a key issue for the resistance will help a lot of advice on of course, we're all worried about potential clashes in jerusalem today that could lead to a war. but i don't think jazel engaged in a war like last year. if our acts of mosque was storm during the so called flag

marching cause term, oil and gas or to barbara gaza will take part in to defend jerusalem. the u. s. secretary of state claimed on friday that took 8th objections to finland and sweden, joining nato would soon be overcome. possibly, even before the alliance is summit. next month earlier, turkeys president accused the 2 countries of supporting what it considers kurdish terrorist groups. so i think that the block has failed to address those concerns. we believe that an enlargement policy, which disregards the fundamental aspects of security won't bring benefits for us or for nato or 30 nato countries would need to agree for a new member state to be accepted as a case dot com. and how thinking of harboring members of the curtis done work and policy was turkey considered as a terrorist organization. and also one sanctions lifted up its military operation against kurdish forces in syria. well,

both finland and sweden have faith domestic opposition against that bid to join the western military alliance and sweden, 2nd largest city, gotten crowds, took the streets to express concerns about the country, potentially being dragged into nato. was politicians in both nordic nations have refused to put the issue up for a referendum. and in finland, a prominent journalist recently burns being a 3rd flag in protest against joining the blog. you have the home and the chairman of the association of independent journalists conducted the demonstration in the center of helsinki. we spoke about the countries perception of the us led military block. but boy, lisa durable is all thus warmer, nato will not increase phelan security. there are many people in finland who are against nato, especially because the block is increasing tensions with russia. we have a shirt long border of 1300 kilometers on the fence of learn to live in harmony with russia here for 80 years and do not want any tension. we don't know exactly

how many friends are against joining nato now, but before there was 60 or even 70 percent of the population. therefore, the funds have taken a civil initiative on a referendum and record time, and this initiative was received the necessary 50000 votes. however, the parliament has still refused to take this into account, which is unprecedented. this referendum of the finished people was ignored for political reasons, to finish politicians just wanted everything to be passed very quickly. meanwhile, turkey is insisting on a written agreement from both sweden and finland, that would include quite concrete steps to meet anchor as conditions both as nato's at secretary general says. he would like to organize a meeting between turkey and the candidate states on the mass. and let's discuss this further now, so we aren't going to the studio by political scientists, owners and angles on many thanks by coming in and join him in the studio. it's great to have you in. so as we've heard, turkey is continuing to push against sweden and finland bid for nato membership. do

thing and career. we really would go as far as to block their accession 1st. the full thank you for your invitation and we'll have to be here. i worth your question, i have to say the turkish national interest requires the use of repre against the membership of these the countries i mean finland and civilian because this tool country that they are openly are sport thing. the terrorist organization, like pitcher t, y, p g, p, y, the are financially the u. s. financial support from youth sports and also a diploma to export to this 3rd organization. so the best way to achieve share or quality made several statement about the membership against the membership of these countries to to natal. and i think that in these days there are some negotiations between 3030, the official and also natal official. but i think there will be not a positive result from these these meetings negotiations because naples and

turkey interests now is completely completely separate. it's not, we don't have any of you are not sharing any common common common tie that are coming, strategic nato, or the members of nato. what do you think the us thing so confidence that these problems will be overcome? i mean, the us secretary of state said he's confident turkeys. greet confident turkey grievances towards the 2 countries will be overcome swiftly. i. i don't understand why from where mr. ben can find the right people, you know, be all for the turkish government because, you know, secretary state of u. s. government, but he's focused on the b l for cookie shortages and the united states. also one of the countries who is supporting directly the service organization in the north of syria. now everybody know all public know that they are giving arms to p. k y p g

in norco, syria. and these 2 groups are making attacks against turkish are men also turkish civilians for 40 years now. and we lost a lot of local for a civilian because of these attacks. and now it's like a turkey and united states are not also not sharing the same values. and i don't understand how to lincoln is talking on the well, it took us government to we have this k post on it's coming up at the end of next month. what can the us and the rest of the block can do to manage to secure turkey support by then? i think now nato is pushing the cards off. that's, that's, i mean, the breast is pushing because of the essential to european union to in front of you . but the, but for like turkey is a think that's on the, at the gate or for europe like for 30 years more than 30 years now. so now why this

negotiation, they should be then in the finance that they're asking to, to give a written guarantee about that. they will not support these terrorist organizations in like, i mean, k n, y pizza. but it, as i, as i mentioned before, now, fundamentally in, on the, in the audience that the, that nato and turkey are defending different the different they have a different view. they don't, they are not sharing the same view. for example, natal and the members of the natal. now from the grain crisis, i mean they could, they address attacking russia and they have a lot of them on the other hand. but these 2 countries like russia and iraq neighbors. so you'd have relation with this country, deep trade relation with this country. but when you look to the west and natal,

that they take the country as the enemy. so i mean, now turkey and natal are no more on the, on the same route. so let's say it was the general view among the turkish population when it comes to nato expansion and in support of president the one stop . so what does it, what do anything to people know very well that may tool and the men, the country members of nato, that they are supporting the state of the organization for a long time. it's not a question of today this process start like 30 years ago and still is going on. even today, if you go to bed lean or, or parties, you can find the headquarters of the service organization. and other example for to lucky then be declared to organize the cool something 2016. he's still living in the united states and everybody knows that he's protected by so touches people. i mean, the ordinary people on this. they know that nato and the members of nato are

supporting these terrorist organizations. and like for 30 years, the last most spend 30000 people. most of them, the civilian who got shipped by this organization. let's remember the at temple put it in in 2016. we almost lost 4400 people in this attempt. and i mean, on the street, the one that you taught with the ordinary turkish turkish men or turkish woman, they will, they will tell you openly that these, these terrace group and attempt is open to finance by western content. so took your people, their sport, think that the dice off the vehicle, 30 against membership of the country and one step forward that they are also for the turkey leave. nothing different to say than the turkey's relationship with nato

. it's been far from easy. do you see the presence friction as a combination of grievances from over the years? this will come to a heads do things. so, i mean, sure that it was a process because after the full down the soviet union, there was no necessity for turkey to be staying as a member of nato. so the, even the geopolitical necessities of turkey changed after 90 s. so and now turkey is a developing really good relation, which is name with the, with our neighbors, like russia, like, you know, for example, with russia. now we have a, we have a corporation in traits in military industry like $413.00. now turkey is using that the russian products u. s. s f as 400 and also like the cooperating in the different piano, like in syria with the austin, the process, turkey and the russia start to cooperate in the syrian field, be helpful on also. and the now, with this corporation a,

the civil war and the end, the session become more stable in syria. same for the kafka vision. she and russia to come come and see if to resolve the the conflict between the vision and their mania. so i mean that there are different field that is to countries that turkey is cooperating with his neighbors, like russia, like iran. so today, i mean that the, the church is joe politic necessity doesn't concern the, not us, not us interests. taking a skeptical point of view is this sort of purely down to sweden and finland links to people. the anchor reviews is terrorist. so do you think president one might be using best to gain something else? mean, what does, what do nato allies have and that turkey might want is through that

to us government for a long time. they are implying kind of policy of balance between west and east and 18th that, that they are trying to balance with, with east and the east west. and this negotiations today that we need to, i bought membership of fremont and, and see within the result of this policy of balance between west and is but as i told before, that the national interest of so to me that because of national interest of, to keep the government must use his or against is full state who want to be membership of naples because this teacher, k and p y, the problems that they pulled them off to be a long process. and now i mean that we are at the point between the, between turkey and west and some people believe that turkey might use this

situation to finally access the u. s. made s $3055.00 to jet program us off the washington rebuffed. and i'm curious to ankara before do you think that might be the case it when you, when you it will, it will be it, will it the turkish american relation and in the different the on the different field. that's if you will see that, for example, in the eastern mediterranean crisis that you today, united states took a position against turkish interest in syria. united states is for think terrorist organization against church in c, a united states is pushing this forward against turkey. so, i mean, when you look the whole picture, if, if these military place are just the simple the pace, i mean on the base of turkish america relation that there is a big, big conflict. what do you make of the,

the french president weighing it on the matter. he is that called on to take it to respect sweden and finland, quote, software in choice to join nato. do you think that's appropriate for him to weigh in like that? i think your prism mark gruen is right, that it's true for lunch. and so we've been our countries who have the rest were empty and independence, but he's forgotten that turkey also is independent then certain countries sort churchy, have rights to use this word for against the membership of these countries because of her national interest. so this what took his government is defending. no, so i don't understand why. because prison macklin is defending the independence or uncertainty of these 2 countries in london to be them. but is against that the that is criticizing when turkey wants to use it. he's right off with a turkey also has it sag grievances with another nato ally and greece and i do

one's about to cut off all ties with that. his great counterpart, due to this local territorial dispute. what do you buy lateral tensions such as this mean for ne toes unity amidst the crisis in ukraine. i mean, they just send for about the, about the grease that i can say that the today, the greek government is not representing the interest of good people. but they are acting with, with, for the interest of brooks and washington. so i hope that honorable great people, they will get deep off the government as soon as possible because they have to provoke, of, or with, in the agency. the august pollution for the, for the agency. and the problem that we have between greece and churches is that the, to the auto stuff that will come through that they sit together and we can find the common solution for all problem. but the good excites is always looking for, or

a solution in brookside or in washington. we know that turkey is reliance on russia and ukraine for grain, a reliance on russia for energy. i do think this might be affecting on current current stock and submit to the tensions look. we are neighbors, 30 russia green neighbors. we are sharing the same region and we are all dependent to each other and normal because we are sharing the same same geographic. so on and in today, i mean that 2 keys choices is not just dependent to because of like the dependence to russian guys or the or carrion products. it's not just that, i mean that tomorrow the rest and probably will leave this region. but we will stay together, i mean, the russian was staying here, the grain will stay in it and the talks will stay in this region. so i think it's like it's kind of strategic for long term that took it. is it following? now?

what would you make of, what would you say to those who say that taking no longer has a place in nato? i mean, like since 1952 turkey is a member of nato and from 50 to 2. now that nettle was never really a lie or friend for search because let's take from the 6 so seventies that the, the military coff 70 was organized by metal members. the military coup, it's 80. the america was a united states was the organization of this disco at the eighty's and 2016 immediately the, the quote attempt or attempt of getting this movement that they took. now we have purchased government to have a lot of proof that the united states was behind, not just from like the 5th, but also other members of nipple was behind this quote attempt. and same mentor is

sport. think i will repeat myself, but they are for 40 years. this is finance think they are giving arms to these terrorist groups in syria and also inside of turkey. so, i mean, what kind of for organization is that, that the other members of organization that they are funding giving arms there for financing. it turns out again, is ation which is acting against another member of the same organization. and yet it's still on the team. it seems like techie is that the black sheep of nato, which are agree, i mean, now the diverse diversity is like the x to mean august on the world is changing now . wrists like politically, militarily, culturally that rest is a like in a, in a dark period. living in the dark that it now but the east, like china, india, russia, and turkey. iran is it is rising up against thought. there is no reason that turkey

search for his future in on the vest, lithuanians have raised around 5000000 euro to donate a turkish made drone to ukraine with anchorage approval. that despite the ukrainian president earlier saying the drones made no difference in the conflicts, i want to thank for a stand thread from this move when it's done to make yeah, this is the wrong, this didn't the wrong show? no, that was one of the main subject that each time that when there's a debate about to lation of between 30 and russia and ukraine, that's this one off to mean topic. but i mean when you look the whole. busy picture, i mean the, the relation between turkey and russia. that sir, you will see that this, the wrong stuff is just a small detail. scott church, she and russia, they are building up on nuclear central together. turkey and russia are

a corporate thing in syria. it together, turkish army and the russian army are working together in syria. did turkish authorities and took it and the rush on was that also in libya now that there is a possibility and there's a lot, there are a lot of opportunities that these 2 countries corporate in libya, tolkien russia, corporate in cuff gus region and they resolve the problem between us at a business, i mean, yeah, i mean when you look this whole picture, the drawn copy drawn problem is, is really small problem. and it's a private company who is selling who was sitting there drones to green. and i think now that they stop to cuba, drones to green government and they, the crisis and you train tech has stepped in as a source of media roll it, send it to, to host 2 rounds of piece talk. since the crisis began. and turkey is ready to

continue doing so. how would you evaluate tech as well? so far as a mediator? i mean, from the beginning of to scribe between o'quinn and russia. turkey took her not through the position between these 2 con 3. but i mean, we can describe it as it need to realty, but in same time, for example, turkey refuses to apply on to russian sanctions, which is, i think you really important for all site, i mean, for russia, but also for rest and about this mediation, also it's a part of the strategic, i mean, this is your, from that realty, between, between rest and the russia. and i think in moscow and also it's, it's also up to most school and also to shift because of the turkish mediation with the turkey mediation. i mean that you can find the ridge regional solution to

describe if not the diverse viewers describe crane christ, full on inferior in full to our region. i mean, it was originally effective and i hope that you will have a positive positive result. and the turkish deputy foreign minister has said the war in ukraine could have been easily prevented if turkey has become a member of the you. how so? i mean, as i must mention, that are, that are true to you playing a role of mediator between crane and russia, because turkey is not the part of rest in, not that part of european union. i mean that turkey also take it down to rest and the best and policies. that's why churches could play this role of mediator between russia and ukraine. but to be part of, if you, if you become a part of

a european union, you have to follow the policy. so if you look in union, so anchor is made it clear it wants to revive it's e u. membership negotiations in the blogs been focused on giving another chance to ukraine. instead, even though it once claimed it didn't want kids to join the usa, how do you view both turkeys and russel's positions here? and is it possible for turkey to finally get a what it was after 20 years wasting more than 20 s, i think for 34 to see everything get good, so futile and i, i think now the future is not in, in europe and the, the, the eastern country, the east is rising now economically, politically, culturally, and the vest now as i told before that they are kind of a dark h the all see what they need to do. rush on the artist after the after the start of the cranium crisis. i mean,

it's kind of kind of reactions like middle age saw for turkey also. i mean turkey, people, ordinary people, and i think the short term is also we are following closely. these are these, these events and the now as we are looking good relations with our neighbors, i think i've shown that took you to stop to the, to make a new request for, to, to european union and political scientists. many thanks for coming in and keeping me company in a studio this afternoon. we really appreciate your time. thank you. thank you very much and thank you for joining us here with the international will be back in exactly 30 minutes. ah a.