think there will be more and more of a session around the war, and it's not going ukraine's way. so obviously for a long time now, for many weeks, ross has been grinding. now. you create an army and. and then obviously russia has been making a lot of victories. however, in the past 34 weeks now, we see that things became very critical. the last time we spoke, i mentioned that the main key front lines in ukraine has collapsed. and then i was circling this huge pocket thousands of thousands of ukraine and soldiers. so it's hard to ignore this company is in the story and a more assa victory. so this is why this becoming a lot of pressure now on it was in the west on trying to find some kind of an agreement with russia because it makes the question, what is, what is the objective if we can't make settlement with russia? because if i'll turn the tv, it's a bad deal today or an even worse deal tomorrow for the west. dictate

that we will make a deal today and given the washing group doesn't seem interested still have to make a deal. it has the question, is there an alternate to objective in obviously there's been a lot of voices in washington from the administration suggesting that the goal is to break rush back to weaken it. so that's many who is concerned that this mission is to create the new in ukraine and tried to weaken the russian for, for, for the long, long period time. is this indeed a pro ukrainian policy or the ukranian essentially sacrificing the country? that is. so i think that the officials are artificially position of being either pro russian or western what is the purpose of this now?

i think this does this more then these forces are increasing and at some point, i guess they will have some influence in washington to come out. so it is, it's a, something is changing, but we're still, i think far away from a change of policy in what you bring up a good point. how is this to the advantage of the training will match there? there is one element, one copy of that many in the ukranian political elite, i would find it is all this huge amounts of money being thrown at them from the west. i mean, now if we put all in, it's like $53000000000.00 from the united states and then we have the european union. i don't know the exact numbers, but i mean they're going through but $5.00 to $7000000000.00 a month to pay salaries in the military and all that, i mean, if you're in your zalinski and you're in that circle and this is in the middle of

a conflict where they have foreign leaders waltzing around downtown, here without a care. huh. that's it. that's what i call the grid. why wouldn't ukraine want to keep that griff going as long as it possibly can. go ahead. well, i think right now on the west has to deal with 3 challenges kind of lump together. one is the challenge of dealing with the leadership in kia for say, we're asking for more money and more military hardware. and i think there is this understanding that have started to trickle down among the minds of western beliefs that it's, it's really a black hole that is soaking up resources without clear implications for western public and western security and for western political objectives. the 2nd one is of course, and how you deal with russia, you know, kind of post conflict and seen this proposal coming from italy. and you know,

we need to think about european security architecture while i personally think that the very proposal is kind of the sheet that has sailed. there isn't much worse to where it still is interesting, sighing, very different. what we've seen over the past few weeks on the very thinking patterns among some of the western countries. and finally, you know, the western leadership has to deal with implications of this conflict and confrontation with russia for their own domestic constituencies and globally. and it's getting harder to explain what are the clear objectives, you know, and you know, this message of price hike and stuff like this isn't really flying well with many constituents in the worst in u. s. in particular. and there isn't some suggestions that emmanuel macro may perhaps be the last of the current western leadership cohort. got re elected.

others maybe voted out of office quickly, which is the start of difference from president to who i should remark to our audience is, in my view, operate more in the paradigm of quote unquote history liter bag, classic western politician. you know, he doesn't really have to care much about re election for doesn't really have to care much about the stuff that was your colleges have to care about. so this in a way empowers him to think that he can and that he has courage and wisdom. i agree with lately, i gotta get it all there, but will he do it and everything we've seen abundance of bar tells us he won't. ok, but i agree with it, glen, let me go back to you. i'm in a sense this whole ukrainian gambit for, for the us in the u. k. because they seem to be in here driving. there's both both countries that are not in the european union. interestingly enough, and unity of the euro is almost seamless for now,

and that's why they need a breakthrough to keep that unit need together. along with this goes on, even we can, government admitted their losses in the east. they won't say specifically there are many bars going so well here. so i mean, if the purpose was to unify the west in the european sense around behind the us and, and behind the u. k. as leaders of nato, they need they need this a breakthrough one way or another because of the baby formula. energy crisis, migration. i mean, you can, you can keep the fever pitch up for a while emotionally. but now things are beginning to settle down. we're seeing, you know, reports in and in germany to check republic hungry po and about my grades and things like that were welcome. matt is not so welcoming as time goes on so that i

mean that there's been a kind of critical breakthrough, but it is it sustainable with. busy out a quote about when ukraine? well, no, i think that was the problem. i think this, the unity of nato, which we heard so much about the premise on, on the victory over russia was seeing the battle field house. we played out as expected. and they can only cor, against the russia, and expect that there's a huge effect there were your p. m economy suffering greatly. and, you know, this whole story of russia being the gas station, the masquerading as a country. this is, this is, i think we, we've received ourselves in the west by my buying incident. so i think that the, again, that goes on on a mixture. but now that this doesn't seem to be the case anymore, i think you will see a fragment more, because now we're looking at how the costs are affecting us. and also we're paying higher costs. and if there's no clear objective behind this, and that, yes,

i mentioned that it's not a statist britain is to, well, maybe you know, it's lost. you know, we've got sacrifice thousands of ukrainian soldiers there. but at least by some time, to train up a new army in west in ukraine and have this waves continuous that tax to we're down the rush over time to what extent that is in the european interest. so i think that we see then the commitment to the marriage of a mystery is collapsing. i don't want to denigrate the ukraine. and so just very well, they've been well trained. alarm everything. however, this narrative in the beginning was very distant from reality. if you remember, you had this mattress on the make island until they popped up on tv being alive, you had this goes to key who shot down? 40 russian jets. i mean it became ridiculous. this was

just sold us a fact them out a few weeks ago. now that money and you know they became, and the trailing soldiers surrendered and their unconditional surrender going into rushing up to the house is covered in the western roads, wasn't evacuation. how do evacuated from battlefield into a russian prison? it doesn't make any sense of we reinventing the language to keep an eye to ramos. i think now, now the smallest are coming in and some are having 2nd thoughts. i see that the commitments to the narrative is cracking. and with that, i expect that the solidarity will be made to will begin to wither away as well. you know, max, one of the biggest problems at the western mindset and looking at what's going on the conflict in ukraine. is it the expected to be done like an american way or a nato way? and if you look at the rushes military efforts and ukraine, you know, in knowing something about russian military history,

is just the long grind to victory. ok, it's, it's, it's not claim buoyant. it's, you know, they're not looking for headlines. they're just methodically doing what they always do from the red army, taking berlin. some would say gross me, what we saw with the conflict and south is that it's remarkably similar, but it's not american or navy or western in, in performance. go ahead. i would also to, throughout his history, russia has barely entered in conflict, will prepare in solace, had it issues in the beginning or even against, you know, adversaries, what appeared to be much weaker. so there is nothing new in terms of how, you know, the sort of obstacles that russia has encountered now it has changed a lot. i would also focus on. so pick up on something the glens mentioned. and you know, this constant pursue, just, you know, trying to reinvent the life to keep the narrative going. and i think is it kind of

the dark reality of the information worker that you can win as many okay, dark reality of it tomorrow, we're going to stop on that point here. we're going to go to a quick break. and after that quick break, we'll continue our discussion on some real new stay with oxy. ah ah ah, ah a full

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you will have hard time explaining to your old constituencies. and you know about how on earth this turned out the way it turned out where you told them it would have been and different. also say that, you know, one of the major things that is now of course involving this, this, the risk of global famine and sort of ation. and the did the narrative that is now being shaped up, as i can see, is to shift the blame for this to russia. and i think it's important to know that ukraine you, prince share in the global production of week is 11.5 percent. whereas that of russia, 16.8 percent. so the, the town to focus on, you know, russia blocking, build their support and being the main reason for potential local famine. you know, without talking about how russia's own supply chains. we've been disrupted,

including 2 sections. and that is actually the major driver of the problem in the, in the market is also another thing that will come back to haunt those who propel this narrative. i think sometime in the fall, you know, it's interesting gland to say, i've been following this quote unquote of a rush. is war on food supply here, which is absolutely absurd. i mean, if we look at the exit points in the black sea, these are all been mind by the ukranian government. actually on the day of the conflict, had started the day of the conflict. started then the mind, these are these parts here. and there is also talk, i guess, is the next are threat, you know, a possible military or non military solution of escorts and things like that. when i listen to the british government list, trust me, and she, she does, it keeps you entertained every step of the way here. i mean, she's her, she so divorced from reality. um, it makes her potentially very dangerous here. but there's always looking for

a wedge, a wedge that doesn't in, at the same time it, it's just been part of the information more is just a shame when you know this, you know, the, the british as a, well, we won't get involved in it. but other people should do it. i mean, again, you know, i think the biggest question for me in this program here is that, how are they going to accept defeat land? how do they come come to terms with that? because the way i look at it is that possibly in the future, historians will tell us, i suppose that, you know, one month in the conflict, there was tops in a sample and it looked like possible movement. and then that suddenly dash suddenly, okay, within the hour people say it was boris johnson, there were other people that were influencing zalinski when ever since then it's russia's time table and rational. say when it's over, i mean, because if you don't have an interlocutor, then you have no other choice but to make your own unilateral facts on the ground decisions go ahead one. and again, i have

a different view of what the pro ukrainian policy should be, which is stop making you pay all the costs of this commission and they keep in mind that to go back one step closer in the wanted was unable to stop expanding. if we would get some, some concessions on the western side, let's say the what the problem is no native, especially the suite nor can live. and then we want some confessions in ukraine, then they could get a good deal without the crane this thing as high price in territory, but instead, escalation alone, keep in mind that for 7 years with them in school agreements and agreement, talk maryland to give a hard to me, to switch russell's happy with the sub for 7 years, russia went to new military and then said, well, if we're going to military, the numbers will have independence. and again, you had, you had the agreement on this diplomacy in east, on the reaching still far away. but there are things are moving towards some kind

of an agreement that have some common common agreements. and then we saw that the british americans are pushing them to step away from and withdraw all the confessions. they have committed themselves to know these points and they're working escalating. and now you see russia is also, you know, it's almost entire g artists, other companies and also much corporation as well. so. so the longer we keep this, we're going the longer with the delay and the more territory i think the ukraine were loose. and, and this is again if you know about deal today for your credit or worse on tomorrow . but again, to talk about that, i didn't want to objective, i need to make a point build in some of the other things simply because they're good guys and want to help them out or objectives such. i think i'm going back to this now that this

other objectives are becoming more august. i don't think necessarily that the americans, europeans, there will have the same objectives. and then for, from your perspective, and i'm going to stop here on the continent is not necessarily in that's a favorable idea. i don't know if you can bandied about on cable tv, but the reality of it is if you really want something like that on your borders in europe, i mean, europeans and americans, you know, they tolerated that in afghanistan. iraq, as it was just so far away, and the refugees went to europe. they didn't go to the united states. but matt, so want to pick up on something. the glen was saying, you know, henry kissinger, adolfo said, you know, a negotiation should begin soon. ok. that i give credit to his geopolitical genius . ok. not his policies that when he was in power, but i mean, he's us, it's a pretty smart guy. i think everyone would read it. well, why should the russians get involved in any negotiation? just because of what glen just said,

i mean 78 years with the dumbass line deception all of this. and that now you really want to talk in good faith. for me, that's really hard. ok, and, and plus russia is made a commitment here. it cannot lose, it cannot lose this. it's going to take whatever it wants and, and the room for negotiation, i think is close. i think when the russians decide what their security requirements are, that's what this all is about. everyone forgets, and when they decide that well then, you know, the other side is going to have to eat humble pie because that's the way it is. i think we'll discuss including over this microphone. so in the past of this conflict isn't away a 3rd major attempt to restructure european security order and order in general since the end of world war 2, you know, during the all to conference, she'll be a union to go with us and you can go, she did the new terms for the world order as a winner. the 2nd attempt to structure world water,

european security order came after the fall, the berlin wall and the glass of the soviet union, which the soviet union and earlier russia negotiated as a martial loser. now there is an if you were to renegotiate those terms, and i'm pretty sure russian won't stop until it negotiates the new terms for its own political participation through creating more favorable security outcomes as a winner. oh that, that's a brilliant way of looking at glen to reflect upon that here because max essentially more eloquently just kind of answered my question. your answer was better than my question. so when i mean is this, are we seeing as results here? because people are so honed in the micro part of it here, but the max is just right. this is actually creating a new pan european security order. that's what russia asked before this happened.

and now, which is going to make it happen, glen, go ahead. yeah, i think it's a part of explore why your security architecture has been collapsing over the past 30 years now. much put the collapse. so the berlin rules and the color of the soviet union in the same sense for the one to remember there's 2 years in between. so it was in moping 989 with the cold war was declared over and exactly 2 years later the soviet union class. now why was this interesting? because when the cold war was declared over in 1989, it was being a compromise. and both coming to table with diplomacy there who were solving this differences. and thereafter, you had all disagreements, like the charter paris brand new europe in which they said the new york should have no dividing lines, indivisible security one, such not expanding the expense of other however runs the soviet union collapsed in 1991. then you have the us ambassador, the last us and bastards is so union arguing. well,

as soon as you come up, you have this creation in the united states that the cold war had been run and they should dictate the new europe. and what was the new year old, the new year was run, which would be organized around united states. one that was mentioned include all of the continent except the largest country, russia and you know, as many leading americans, politicians and pastors academics. this is going to go really wrong, some point because if they don't want to keep expanding to the if russia will have to push back one day and the time has come and now we're having a devastating war in europe. so this is, a lot of this goes back to this failure to establish our cold war post cold war secured architecture for europe. and, but i agree with max, i think it did that we viewed the rush of the loser of the cold war. it kind of put a victor estates in place in the us will dictate all the terms which meant

recreating european architecture, which russia language were the m b i n f treaty one after another. and oldest treaties collapse. a consequence of nato expanded towards the rest. so i think if we want to solve this car worn ukraine, i would see it as a symptom or consequence on this. i would say the best way to go back to step one. have a look at the security architecture. is really what brings europe having every year, having a larger, larger gun, closer to the head of russia. it doesn't seem like a recipe for stability. and i think if you are paying a price for from the collecting the security discussions we should have, hadn't in europe over the past 30 years, which we never did and maximum closed it out here. last 45 seconds. can europe live with an outcome where it rush, it dictates its own security needs? can europe live with it? i don't think it can, but it will help to eventually,

if there is no other option on the table. and i think, as i mentioned before, other more peaceful options have sailed. when the, the west declined to talk about russia security proposals in early december. and that's very unfortunate. but i guess that's the reality of today. yeah, i, i, you know, doing this program ever since those documents one to nate, to one of the united states. i made a program after program after program warning. this was going to happen. and you know what gentlemen it happened maybe they should have listened to me. ok for once . ok, i saw with john. we have over and late my guess, a mouse slow in moscow. i want to thank everyone for watching us here in our tea scene exam. remember across cycles? ah, ah,

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that you for that ah least 3 people have been killed in the shelling of residential areas, including several schools in the city of don't. yes. that's according to local officials who accused the ukrainian military all deliberately targeting civilians with weapons supplies by the us. ah, an explosion that left to aid workers injured in the ukrainian city of military poll, currently under russian control, wasn't act of terrorism, says the local administration and anti correspondent with the incident. i am now in the military hotel in the center of the city where an explosion took place just 15 minutes ago that left windows broken on all 5 floors. such things have never happened before in the.