builders at odds with a tightly guarded messaging, bent, western public's view. courageous voices say the obvious range to negotiate now. well, it still has something to negotiate. if anybody's been trapped in an elevator, 20 minutes could be pretty long time right and alone. trapped in an elevator for 20 minutes. not knowing what's gonna happen, not knowing where he wore suits of sensory deprivation. ugh. figure that if your life plenty visits about an hour. not at all. yeah. the intercom is nothing i was trying to get you out. i was keeping you in is your communication? oh, i think sistant who ah

ah, a more of the building. mm . more on turn begins with me, but it does not in there. it will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found. stopped. and defeated, ah, i think we lost more in the warranty. so you know, empires and decline,

resort to torture. and i think it gives them the illusion of mastery and dominance and control by torturing essentially we blind ourselves. but we could in fact, create a democratic society which actually has consistently valuable and effective techniques to fight terror. the fact that we don't is more an expression of our own anxieties and fears with so called interrogation techniques used by us officials were basically designed as techniques to break down the human mind. and therefore, also the body because they are very connected and leave no physical traces. it's an extremely destructive practice. torture

on, of course, on those who receive this pain and suffering. but also on the sidey that becomes a society of cruelty. what we've done is we've not so much lost the war on torture as we've won the war on democracy. and that through terrorizing a population over a period of decades said that there's nobody in this country who didn't grow up with some booty, man, some danger. first, it was communism, then it was terrorist for obviously engaged in many facets of what is generally called the cold war. rich, the communist policy is force no dog,

i engage in any political activity or any intelligence not approve of the higher level. mm. ah. there was a concern that emerged 1st started coal in the late notice that the soviets had cracked the code of human consciousness. that they knew how to apply pressure upon the human mind and break the human mind. and it was that sir of this whole pursuit that lead ultimately to the creation of the sea ice doctrine of psychological torture. this was a time of the brain washing scare. there were show trials in eastern europe, mid hungary and poland, which aroused a lot of concern in the west because people seem to be confessing to crimes that

they hadn't committed or mm. most importantly was the child was cardinal mines and sky and hungry. and jessica was already and after world war 2, quite famous because she was known for having resisted the nazis and their occupation of hunger. and then after the war, he became the cardinal in the primary of the church. they arrested him. they can find him. those choose of being an aristocrat, it became a kind of target of that regime. and then he was put on trial, were publicly he confessed to the charges against him. and there was this fear in washington, the prince of the church, a man known for his church under not to pressure that if he could be broken,

clearly, the soviets work session of techniques. mm. the c, i s reaction was primarily around what they thought was brainwashing the concerns with communist brainwashing. what they never seemed to realize was that these communist techniques were actually borrowed originally from earlier american techniques. in the 1920s in 1900 ten's, using sleep deprivation exhaustion exercises. all these other techniques were standard domestic policing tortures. they were also driven by 2nd concern. there was a moral panic in the 1950s that an american p o w is in korea. they confessed to things that were completely untrue and it didn't look like they had been talking during the korean more. what happened was that there were chapter down american aviators, and there were around 30 pilots,

a testimonies. there were 4 pilots that broadcast on radio bear june, alleging that the united states was using bacteriological warfare against the korean people. after the armistice, one, these pilots were released or brought back and they were put through court martials and they realize that they had been put through what was then called brain wash. could you describe the method used by the communist, the cherokee? oh yes, i would put these methods into to categorize physical torture of a start and mental torture. it consisted mainly of standing at attention, having my face flap once in awhile and i did fail to respond as they wanted me to it consistent of being confined in a very close area. the mental treatment which they gave was

a start day designed to try to wear down my resistance to their interrogation to break my well power to force me in some manner to confess. a mind control, pardon starts in 1950. this was a project that involved a $1000000000.00 a year. there was a, a formal creation, a british american operation at the highest levels in order to mobilize behavioral sciences. so these 3 countries are to kind of crack the code of human consciousness alone. rolsh, medical doctors or cornell university medical school in new york city. they got access to some of them are classified material on people that escaped from the

soviet union and been tortured in the service. in wolf was a very well known neurologist. he had a personal relationship with our goal is to ahead of the cia and with the human ecology of fun was offered to who does cia essentially a france in order to study questions of brainwashing what they discovered was 11 of the 2 foundational techniques. and the ca, doctrine of the psychological torture they discovered a self inflicted pain. what they described in that, in their, in their co author article was that the most devastating technique that the k g, b a n k v d practice was not crude physical beatings. but simply making subject stand immobile for hours and days at a time. if you force a human being to stay in

a certain position, especially a position that puts a little stress on ligaments or muscles or bones, joints. it doesn't take very long for the pain involved to become absolutely excruciating. but nobody's lane figure finger on you. you are doing it to yourself. ah, that was one of the techniques, the over technique i discovered was from the a the biomedical research. there was dr. haves work, it was the chair of the psychology department, and mcgill university in canada. students volunteered to participate in the study of human behavior under extreme and prolong monotony. their hands and arms were softly covered to muffle a sense of touch. all har slide subdued by

a mass comfortable bell choir, and yet it was impossible for most of these students to take it for more than 24 or 48 hours. center deprivation really is way of producing 3 monotony. it's horrible experience getting worse and worse somewhere. somebody talked about cruelty. what they said was that the degree of board of became intolerable and was one subject said as bad as anything. but the hitler had ever done to any of his son due to his victims. as we know from almost any basic medical understanding, human contact is what makes us human. and the let enables a person to have a sense of normalcy in their lives and when they are completely isolated from any human contact and often kept in this sensory isolation. you will literally

easily become severely mentally impaired, or that they came up a consult with the cia continued to work for them. is really the progenitor, modern psychological torture on this project funded another guy, mcgill named doctor in cameron. what you and cameron did at alamo, maryland city was was close to monstrous. ah, i came in psychotherapy, i was just crying, crying cry a hopeless. i didn't know what to expect. they said i was going to the psychiatric ward. ah, you meant that man. that the cameron, that's you and cameron. yes, i met him that we were all was terrified of him. why?

we all started here. we all had a fear of him and we didn't want him to notice us because whatever he did, whatever there was the patient put them. the patient was always screaming. a with those are for the new business

and you clean them a b e l does not was chosen. yeah, americans grey you, when you wrote it, you just got to really just touch not good. can also provide you with stuff such and sure. even names your hospital additional sit on info with you use her own the with them the problem with your, with to watch. so it was a for me to on, off on i thought it was through which in the longer it was just new to this from up in the push to sustainable remote because of leaders newer divorce or do school go with, i don't know who's got no point a don't know, is that a do used to play in finances come up with

these are the days and hours ah, the occasion professor un cameron was a very famous psychiatrist. he was head of the american psychiatric association and the world psychiatric association. he was the top of the field at the same time, he seemed pretty much willing to do anything. and the for the cia to find a doctor who didn't have limits in a nearby cap at oh, with lots of patients to work with last as subs as subjects with somebody they were interested in supporting patients would come in with ordinary psychological emotional problems. they sign their waivers, and then they would be subjected to this bizarre written of extreme sensory deprivation, isolation for, for up to

a month. one of his favorite things was he had a sort of a football helmet with a tape recorder in it would play a tape and look up to 500000 times, say things like my mother hates me and he would blit the brim with ropes enter deprivation and kind of psychological emotional assault. well, what's working? i mean it's garbage blue. ah, what he did was he would put people under massive electro shock and he would give it to the banner prolong basis along with what he could sleep therapy. his idea was, once you wipe the brain clean, you could wipe out the site a buried behavior, the bad ideas, the ideas that were missing up people's minds. and you could program in other ideas,

better. compulsive therapy picked up and was widely used in germany before it went anywhere else as a way of returning soldiers to board. the german army wasn't going to spend tons of money on psychotherapy for regular soldiers. so they were looking for cheap and effective ways to send soldiers back to war. it then moves into united states in the clinical note of march 23rd 1962 confirmed a 129. e. c. t. 's cameron's clinical notice september 12th recommend patterning and sleep. the clinical notes of october, 19th, november, 1st, november, 3rd, november, 8th, november 15, all confirmed the patterning and various stages. my sister was that was supposed to be acting strange, right? my mother decided to have, i decided to have the bill to the on find out what was wrong. so i went to

the on a couple of months later, and the bathroom has shocked on me. i was in the allen for 6 months and this would repeat yeah, over days and days and weeks and yeah. is it what you feel you have been through being the patent? yes, i guess and i say you in mariah and are different. we're older and being your race somehow could be yeah, well. 1 they didn't finish the treatments with me. so when i came out, i was still active and so on. but they did. you went through 3 sessions of di patterning treatments. and when i asked you about things before you don't you remember, i could say if i ask you, what were you, what's that for you typing for the national defense, for instance. oh,

i'm for that now. are there certain things in your memory that you just don't remember? oh, this 1st hospital lies. i was about 1616 and a half. the doctors pushed me into a sleep therapy. and that was it for about 3 weeks in this sort of a deep sleep. but i don't remember getting up to go to the washroom, i don't, i just remember that the doctor came in and occasionally to feed me, and that was it. and then shortly after a while, there was another patient that came in. and she was an older one and she slept in the other bed. when i started to wake up, i've saw these patients and these patients were in tube, some of them they had earphones and headphones. i dont know if they did any of that to me because when i, with the 1st 3 weeks, i don't know what happened, but this was d patterning. wow. this is doctrine of psychological torture that they

develop through research in the decade the 19 fifties and was codified in khobar counterintelligence interrogation manual for in as to basic techniques on which all the rest of the procedures to run. one is sensory deprivation and the other is self inflicted pain. ah, the cia trained allied agencies in the techniques. so in effect, you know, knowing about, dissemination about is huge, send these techniques to other armies. could you take an ordinary individual,

lighter resty, or recruit and make a person become an effective interrogate? and that seems that milligrams make sperm was likely part of this project. when i learned of incidents such as the destruction of millions of men, women and children, perpetrated by the nazis in world war 2, how is it possible i asked myself that ordinary people were courteous and decent in everyday life? can i callously in you mainly without any limitations of conscience under what conditions would a person obey authority, who commanded actions and went against conscience? these are exactly the questions that i wanted to investigate at your university. the marines permit very simply, was assimilated torture. this was one, not all the research we've been describing is the impact of interrogation upon the

subject. milligram had another agenda, the impact of interrogation upon the interrogator. if he were to indicate the wrong answer, you would say wrong. then tell him the number of rolls you're going to get him. then give him the punishment and read the correct word pair. once he got an ordinary people who fit by all the regular scales, very normal americans. and then he subjected them under false color to just to doing what he called an educational experiment in try to encourage people to apply ever higher voltages as a false patient kept on getting, making mistakes. here. in fact, milgar was able to encourage, at least in his 1st experiments, i think close to 70 percent, to go on to apply highly dangerous and sometimes fatal shocks. i'm not going to get

that man. think it, there it is. i there, i want to learn a lice in a now we must go on until he's done wrong. i refuse to take the responsibility and get her. i mean, he's on your end. it's actually essential. as you continue teacher. there are still many left here, and i mean, ged going get wrong. good as to when a last i mean i'm going to take the responsibility apparently had was that i don't i'm responsible for anything that happens here. continue, but i'm actually slow. wow. dance truck music. answer please wrong. ah 95 volts dance. i mean, yes, he did this simply with a very simple thing. putting the person behind the wall and having a person with

a white lab coat, telling them that they needed to continue. very ordinary people can be influenced by situations and it's one of the implications of both the milligram experiment is embargo. the stanford prison experiment was i think, a unique attempt to answer that question of what makes some people behave in good way. but what makes some people behave in a bad way. and so the idea was let's, let's find an evil place and prisons everywhere in the world are evil places. and let's fill this evil place with only good people. to get the students involved, i had convinced the palo alto police department to make mach arrest of all the

students have a good, a prisoners. and then they came down to the basement of at stanford psychology department. the place where the prison study was done. the idea is prison is made to feel inferior, insignificant, worthless. the most important thing is you take away their name, they become a number. and of course, given they have smocks it with no underpants that behind is showing like my 1st hour in there. it was humiliating. that was also abrupt, was quick. it was just, you know, take him off, put this on. and then i got dusted with baking soda, which was supposed to be the de lauser. and i was living in the cell.

what some bardo did was a very cheap knock off of the kind of thing that milgram was doing. not always embargo, but i think, you know, the guard called john wayne believed that ethics don't matter if the environment is artificial and that's not true. all life is real life we needed to get tougher with the prisoners and it could well be that we were instructed by the experimenters to get over. in fact, i don't think we considered ourselves to be a subject of the experiment. we were merely a tool of the researchers to get the results they wanted from the real subjects, which we thought were the prisoners. and i decided to become the nastiest prison guard that i could make myself or

i was responsible for coming up with all these routines that i would put the prisoners through where i'd have them stand and align, recite their numbers, do push up to do jumping jacks i had never once stopped to think that these prisoners were suffering any harm or any damage. we're not, we're not treating anybody. we're just sort of applying psychological pressure on them. oh wow. yeah, that's why a harms me. how did how does it hard? just to claim that people can be like, yeah, and let me in on some knowledge that, that i've never experienced 1st hand. i read about it, i read a lot about it, but i've never experienced it for 10. i've never seen someone turn that way. i know

you're a nice guy, you know, well, you and potentially would you have that? i don't know. aah! [000:00:00;00] with as a matter of fact, those in the don't try. strictly geopolitical narrative or more. you do, let's say making sure these are very pragmatically,

and this is, i think, clear to you to see this interesting enough, irrespective of being more to the right or more to what they are not totally clear about that you politically or ah, lisa hunter, rushin state food network, i've stayed on the nose landscaping div us. mm hm. now knocking host all sons and up with this is beverly speedo keys on that is provided with speedy. when else with we will van in the european union, the kremlin media machine restate on russia today and with the smooth neck given our video agency, roughly all brands on youtube,

tennessee lucas pushing with situation forces can overwhelm, can dominate even the best of us, ordinary people put in a bad evil environment can become transformed to become part of that negative environment. and it's any of us or in fact most of us the office of naval intelligence, there was a pretty consistent cut out front for c i. they funded much of this research and i don't know if there was a yield that they, they produce