has been turned on and said ukraine is not winning it steadily losing. the west is not unified in back divisions are wide me. the russian economy is weathering, massive sanctions. western economies are in trouble. going 1st. if anybody's been trapped in an elevator, 20 minutes could be pretty long time right and a load trapped at an elevator for 20 minutes. not knowing what's gonna happen, not knowing where you are the suits of sensory deprivation. i think that is your life. not 20 visits out an hour. not at all. yeah, the intercom is nothing i was trying to get you out. i was keeping you in is your communication? oh and i think sistant who ah

ah, a more of the building. mm . more on turn begins with alca, but it does not in there. it will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found. stopped and defeated. ah . i think we lost

more the warranty. so you know, a comparison decline, resort to torture, and i think it gives them the illusion of mastery and dominance and control by torturing essentially we blind ourselves. but we could in fact create a democratic society which actually has consistently valuable and effective techniques to fight terror. the fact that we don't is more an expression of our own anxieties and fears. mm. mm. so, so it's just interrogation techniques used by us. officials were basically designed as techniques to break down the human mind and therefore also the body because they are very connected. and leave no physical traces. it's an extremely destructive practice.

torture on, of course, on those who receive this pain and suffering. but also on the sidey that becomes a society of cruelty. what we've done is we've not so much lost the war on torture as we've won the war on democracy, and that through terrorizing a population over a period of decades. so that there's nobody in this country who didn't grow up with some booking man, some danger 1st, it was communism. then it was terrorist for obviously engaged in many facets of what is generally called the cold war. rich, a communist policy is for a

political activity or any intelligence there was not approved at the higher level. mm. ah, there was a concern that emerged in the 1st started call in the late notice that the soviets had cracked the code of human consciousness. that they knew how to apply pressure upon the human mind and break in my mind. and it was that sir of this whole pursuit that lead ultimately to the creation of the skies doctrine of psychological torture. this was a time of the brain washing scare. there were show trials in eastern europe, in hungary and poland, which aroused

a lot of concern in the west because people seem to be confessing to crimes that they hadn't committed or mm. most importantly was a child with cardinal months in ski and hungry. and jessica was already in an actual war to quite famous because she was known for having resisted the nazis and their occupation of hunger. and then after the war, he became the cardinal in the primary church. they arrested him. they can find him was choose of being nervous to price. it became a kind of target of that regime. and then he was put on trial, were publicly he confessed to the charges against him. and there was this fear in washington, the prince of the church. a man known for his courage under nazi pressure that if

he could be broken clearly, the soviets work session of techniques. mm. the c i s reaction was primarily around what they thought was brainwashing the concerns with communist brainwashing. what they never seemed to realize was that these communist techniques were actually borrowed originally from earlier american techniques in the 1920s, in 1000 ten's, using sleep deprivation, exhaustion exercises. all these other techniques were standard domestic policing tortures. they were also driven by 2nd concern. there was a moral panic in the 1950s that an american p o w is in korea. they confessed to things that were completely untrue and it didn't look like they had been talking during the korean more. what happened was that there were

captain down american aviators, and there were around 30 pilots that made testimonies. there were 4 pilots that broadcast on radio bear june, alleging that the united states was using bacteriological warfare against the korean people after the armistice. when these pilots were released or brought back and they were put through court martials and they realize that they had been put through what was then called brainwash. could you describe the method used by the communists? interrogated oh yes, i would put these methods into to categorize physical torture of a start and mental torture. it consisted mainly of standing at attention, having my face flap once in awhile and i did fail to respond as they wanted me to it consistent of being confined in

a very close area. the mental treatment which they gave was a start day designed to try to wear down my resistance to their interrogation to break my well power to force me in some manner to confess. a mind control project starts in 50. this was a project that involved a $1000000000.00 a year. there was a, a formal creation of british finance american operation at the highest levels in order to mobilize behavioral scientists. so these 3 countries are to kind of crack the code of human consciousness of medical doctors or cornell university medical school in new york city. they got access to some other more classified

material on people that escaped from missouri. and i've been tortured in the service in wolf was a very well known neurologist. he had a personal relationship with alan dell as the head of the cia. and with the human ecology of fun walls offered to the cia, essentially a friends in order to study questions of brain washing. what they discovered was $11.00 of the to foundational techniques and the ca, doctrine of psychological torture. they discovered a self inflicted pain. what they described in that, in their, in their co author article was that the most devastating technique that the k g b in k v d practice was not crude physical beatings. but simply making a subject stand immobile for hours and days at a time. if you force

a human being to stay in a certain position, especially a position that puts a little stress on ligaments or muscles or bones, joints. it doesn't take very long for the pain involved to become absolutely excruciating. but nobody's lane figure finger on you. you are doing it to yourself. ah, that was one of the techniques. the other technique they discovered was from the a, the biomedical research. there was dr. hat's work. it was the chair of the psychology department at mcgill university in canada. students volunteered to participate in the study of human behavior under extreme and prolong monogamy. their hands and arms were softly covered to muffle a sense of punch, all harsh,

lied, subdued by a mass comfortable bell choir. and yet it was impossible for most of these students to take it for more than $24.00 or 48 hours. center deprivation really is way of producing 3 monotony. it's horrible experience getting worse and worse. somebody suddenly talked about cruelty. what they said was that the degree of boredom became intolerable and was once i'd been said as bad as anything you had to hitler had ever done to any of his son due to his victims. as we know from almost any basic medical understanding human contact is what makes us human and alert enables a person to have a sense of normalcy in their lives. and when they are completely isolated from any human contact and often kept in this sensory isolation,

you will literally easily become severely mentally impaired or have them, they came up a consult with the cia can she adored for them. is really the progenitor, modern psychological torture on this project funded another guy, mcgill named dr. ellen cameron, what you and cameron did at elmwood city was, was close to months for psychotherapy. i was just crying, crying cry, a hopeless. i didn't know what to expect. they said i was going to the psychiatric ward. ah, you meant that? cameron?

that's you and cameron. yes, i met him. we were all was terrified of him. why? we all fell to fear. we all had to fear of him. and we didn't want him to notice us because whatever he did, it would never, there was a patient with them. the patient was always screaming for ah

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these are the days and hours ah, the occasion professor un cameron was a very famous psychiatrist. he was head of the american psychiatric association and the world psychiatric association. he was the top of the field at the same time, he seemed pretty much willing to do anything. and the for the cia to find a doctor who didn't have limits in a nearby cap. but oh, with lots of patients to work with last is subs that subjects with somebody they were interested in supporting. patients would come in with ordinary psychological emotional problems. they sign their waivers and they would be subjected to this czar urging of extreme sensory deprivation isolation for, for up to a month. one of his favorite things was he had a sort of a football helmet with a tape recorder in it would play

a tape and look up to 500000 times, say things like my mother hates me. and he would blit the brim where float center deprivation and kind of psychological emotional assault. well, what's working? i mean it's garbage move. ah, what he did was he would put people under massive electro shock and he would give it to the man a prolong basis along with what he could sleep therapy. his idea was, once you wipe the brain clean, you could wipe out the site a buried behavior. the bad ideas, the ideas who were messing up people's minds. and you could program in other ideas . electrical vasa therapy picked up and was widely used

in germany before it went anywhere else as a way of returning soldiers to war. the german army was going to spend tons of money on psychotherapy for regular soldiers, so they were looking for cheap and effective ways to send soldiers back to war. it then moves into united states in the clinical note of march 23rd. 1962 confirms a 129, e. c. t. 's cameron's clinical notice september 12th recommend patterning and sleep . the clinical notes of october, 19th, november, 1st, november, 3rd, november 8th, november 15, all confirmed the patterning and various stages. my sister was that was falsely acting strange, right? my mother decided to have, i decided to have the bill to the and find out what was wrong. so i went to the on a couple of months,

fraser and the bathroom has shocked me. i was in now on for 6 months and this would repeat yeah, over days and days and weeks and yeah, it's what you feel you have been through being the patent. yes, i guess am i say you in mariah and or a different world or a race somehow could be yeah, well. 1 they didn't finish the treatment for me. so when i came out, i was still active and so on. but they did. you went through 3 sessions of di patterning treatments. and when i asked you about things before you don't, you don't remember like i say, if i ask you what were you? what's that for you typing for the national defense, for instance. oh, on that now, are there certain things in your memory that you just don't remember?

oh, this 1st hospital life. i was about 1616 and a half. the doctors pushed me into a sleep therapy. and that was it for about 3 weeks in sort of a deep sleep. but i don't remember getting up to go to the washroom. i don't, i just remember that the doctor came in occasionally to feed me, and that was it. and then shortly after a while there was another patient that came in, and she was an older one and she slept in the other bed. when i started to wake up, i've saw these patients and these patients were in tube, some of them they had earphones and headphones. i dont know if they did any of that to me because when i was the 1st 3 weeks, i don't know what happened. but this was d patterning. ah, the, she is doctrine of psychological torture that they develop through research in the

decade, the 1950s. and was codified in bar counterintelligence, interrogation manual. oh hm. mm mm. mm. as to basic techniques on which all the rest of the procedures to run one is sensory deprivation and the other is self inflicted pain. ah, the cia and trained allied agencies in the techniques. so in effect, you know, knowing about dissemination about, if you send these techniques to other armies, could you take an ordinary individual, lighter resty or recruit and make a person become an effective interrogate. and it seems that milligrams experiment

was like an art of his project. when i learned of incidents such as the destruction of millions of men, women and children, perpetrated by the nazis in world war 2, how is it possible i asked myself that ordinary people were courteous and decent in everyday life? can i callously in you mainly without any limitations of conscience under what conditions, when a person obey authority, who commanded actions and went against conscience? these are exactly the questions that i want to investigate it. yeah. university. the mower experiment, very simply, was assimilated torture. this was one, not all the research we've been describing is the impact of interrogation upon the subject. milgar had another agenda, the impact of interrogation upon the interrogator. if he were to indicate the wrong

answer, he would say wrong. then tell him the number of rolls you're going to give him. then give him the punishment and read the correct word pair. once he got an ordinary people who fit by all the regular scales, very normal americans. and then he subjected them under false color to just to doing what he called an educational experiment in tried to encourage people to apply ever higher voltages as a false patient kept on getting, making mistakes. in fact, milgar was able to encourage, at least in his 1st experiments, i think close to 70 percent, to go on to apply highly dangerous. and sometimes fable shocked. i'm not going to get that man to take it there. and there are no lights in and out. we must go on until he's done wrong. i refuse to take the

responsibility and get hurt. that means under our end it actually essential. as you continue teacher, there are still many left here. i'm eager to get wrong. good as to when i left. i mean i'm going to take the responsibility. if only have was it? i don't i'm responsible for anything that happens here. continue with. i'm actually slow. wow. dance truck. music. answer plays wrong. ah 95 volts dance. yes, you did this simply with a very simple thing, putting the person behind the wall and having a person with a white lab coat, telling them that they needed to continue. very ordinary people can be influenced

by situations. and it's one of the implications of both the milligram experiment is embargo. the stanford prison experiment was i think, a unique attempt to answer that question of what makes some people behave in good way. but what makes some people behaving a bad way. and so the idea was let's, let's find an evil place and prisons everywhere in the world are evil places. and let's fill this evil place with only good people. to get the students involved, i had convinced the palo alto police department to make mach arrest of all the students who got a president. and then they came down to the basement of at stanford psychology

department. the place where the prison study was done. the idea is prison is made to feel inferior, insignificant, worthless. the most important thing is you take away their name, they become a number. and of course, given they have smocks it with no underpants that behind is showing like my 1st hour in there. it was humiliating, lose also. abrupt was quick. it was just, you know, take him off, put this on. and then i got dusted with baking soda, which was supposed to be the d. lauser. and i was lebanon. the cell, what is embargo did was a very cheap knock off of the kind of thing that milgram was doing.

not always embargo, but i think, you know, the guard called john wayne believed that ethics don't matter if the environment is artificial. and that's not true. all life is real life we needed to get tougher with the prisoners and it could well be that we were instructed by the experimenters to get to. in fact, i don't think we considered ourselves to be a subject of the experiment. were merely a tool of the researchers to get the results they wanted from the real subjects, which we thought were the prisoners. and i decided to become the nastiest prison guard that i could make myself back. and i was responsible for coming up with all of these routines that i would put the

prisoners through where i'd have them stand and align, recite their numbers, do push up to do jumping jacks. i had never once stop to think that these prisoners were suffering any harm or any damage. we're not, we're not treating anybody. we're just sort of applying psychological pressure on them. it harms me. how did how does it harm just mean that people can be like yeah, it let me in on some knowledge that, that i've never experienced 1st hand. i read about it, i read a lot about it, but i've never experienced it for and i've never seen someone turn that way. i knew you were a nice guy. you know, well, you and position. what would you i don't know.

ah. in less than 3 months, the west ukraine narrative has been turned on its head. ukraine is not waiting, it's steadily losing. the west is not unified. in fact, divisions are widening. the russian economy is weathering, massive sanctions, western economies are in trouble. going 1st i'm my name is frank from a research in philadelphia. got in the movement in age, 13 or 14 to we were violent towards those people because we believe there were this race. we were here 1st and this is our country being part of that movement. i got your sense of power. when i felt powerless, we got attention when i felt invisible and accepted when i talked to level life after, hey, is an organization that was founded by for

a skinhead, neo nazi white supremacists in the us and canada. and they found each other and they knew that they wanted to help other guys get out. is 2 parts to getting out of a violent extreme was the 1st part of disengagement which is where you leave the social group. and then the next part is d. radicalization work belief systems ology are removed. it was very impactful. when someone finally came along with no fear, no judgement, you heard my story did nothing to challenge with our situation . forces can overwhelm, can dominate even the best of us. ordinary people put in a bad evil environment can become transformed to become part of that negative environment. and it's any of us or in fact most of us

the office of naval intelligence, there was a pretty consistent cut out front for ca. they funded much of this research and i don't know if there was a yield that they, they produce a yield for this cruel science. i don't, i that's, it's maybe more, but i just don't think they do it might play out spectacularly in the military. so the connections would be much further down the road. it would be particularly in the iraq war and in the setting of get mo and all of that. and by the time you get to 2001, it's already this cultural artifact. and so it is going to be picked up by a by any one for any purpose.