ukraine is not winning it steadily losing. the west is not unified. in fact, divisions are widening. the russian economy is weathering. massive sanctions, western economies are in trouble. will blame 1st if anybody's been trapped at an elevator, 20 minutes can be pretty long time. right, and the load trapped in an elevator for 20 minutes. not knowing what's gonna happen, not knowing where he wore suits of sensory deprivation. odd figler that if your life 20 visits about an hour, not at all. yeah, the intercom is nothing i was trying to get you out. i was keeping you in is your communication oh thats existence ah

ah, and more of the billing. mm . more on turn begins with alca, but it does not in there and it will not. and until every terrorist group of global reach has been found, stopped and defeated. ah, i think we lost more in the warranty. so you know, a comparison decline,

resort to torture, and i think it gives them the illusion of mastery and dominance and control by torturing essentially we blind ourselves. but we could in fact create a democratic society which actually has consistently valuable and effective techniques to fight terror. the fact that we don't is more an expression of our own anxieties and fears were so called interrogation techniques used by us officials were basically designed as techniques to break down the human mind and therefore also the body because they are very connected and leave no physical traces, it's an extremely destructive practice. torture

on, of course, on those who receive this pain and suffering. but also on the sidey that becomes a society of cruelty. what we've done is we've not so much lost the war on torture as we've won the war on democracy, and that through terrorizing a population over a period of decades. so that there's nobody in this country who didn't grow up with some booky man, some danger. first, it was communism, then it was terrorist for obviously engage in many facets of what is generally called the cold war. rich, the communist policy is for a

political activity or any intelligence. it was not approved. at the highest level, there was a concern that emerged in the 1st article in the late notice that the soviets had cracked the code of human consciousness. that they knew how to apply pressure upon the human mind and break to my mind. and it was that off, this whole pursuit that laid ultimately to the creation of the c. i is doctrine of psychological torture. this was a time of the brain washing scare. there were show trials in eastern europe, in hungary and poland, which aroused a lot of concern in the west because people seem to be confessing to crimes that

they hadn't committed or mm hm. most importantly was the trial of cardinal months, entity and hungry. and just re, was already and after world war 2, quite famous because he was known for having resisted the nazis and their occupation of hunger. and then after the war, he became the cardinal on the primary church. they arrested him, they can find him, it was choose of being an aristocrat, it became a kind of target of that regime. and then he was put on trial, were publicly he confessed to the charges against him and there was the sphere in washington. the prince of the church, a man known for his church, under nazi pressure, that if he could be broken clearly,

the soviets were possession of techniques. mm. the c, i s reaction was primarily around what they thought was brainwashing the concerns with communist brainwashing. what they never seemed to realize was that these communist techniques were actually borrowed originally from earlier american techniques. in the 1920s in 1900 ten's, using sleep deprivation exhaustion exercises. all these other techniques were standard domestic policing tortures. they were also driven by 2nd concern. there was a moral panic in the 1950s that american po, w's in korea. they confessed to things that were completely untrue and it didn't look like they had been torturing during the korean more. what happened was that there were captain down american aviators,

and there were around 30 pilots that made testimonies. there were 4 pilots that broadcast on radio badging alleging that the united states was using bacteriological warfare against the korean people. after the armistice, one, these pilots were released or brought back and they were put through court martials and they realize that they had been put through what was then called brainwash. could you describe the method used by the communists with oh yes, i would put these methods into to categorize physical torture. all the start and mental torture. it consisted mainly of standing at attention, having my face flap once in awhile and i did fail to respond as they wanted me to it consistent of being confined in a very close area. the mental treatment which they gave was

a start day designed to try to wear down my resistance to their interrogation to break my willpower to force me in some manner to confess. a mind control, pardon starts in 1950. this was a project that involved a $1000000000.00 a year. there was a formal creation, a british finance american operation at the highest levels in order to mobilize behavioral scientists. so these 3 countries are to kind of crack the code of human consciousness of medical doctors or cornell university medical school in new york city. they got access to some other more classified material

on people that escaped from the soviet union. and i've been tortured in the service in wolf was a very well known neurologist. he had a personal relationship with our dollars to headed the cia and with the human ecology of fun walls offered to who does ca, essentially a friends in order to study questions of brainwashing what they discovered was 11 of the 2 foundational techniques and the ca doctrine of the psychological torture they discovered a self inflicted pain. what they described in that, in their, in their co author article was that the most devastating technique that the k g b a n k today practice was not crude physical beatings. but simply making subject stand immobile for hours and days at a time. if you force a human being to stay in

a certain position, especially a position that puts a little stress on ligaments or muscles or bones, joints. it doesn't take very long for the pain involved to become absolutely excruciating. but nobody's lane figure finger on you. you are doing it to yourself. ah, that was one of the techniques, the over technique they discovered was from the a, the biomedical research. there was dr. haves work, it was the chair of the psychology department at mcgill university in canada. students volunteered to participate in the study of human behavior under extreme and prolong monotony. their hands and arms were softly covered to muffle

a sense of touch, all harsh lights subdued by a mass comfortable bell choir. and yet it was impossible for most of these students to take it for more than $24.00 or 48 hours. center deprivation really is way of producing 3 monotony. it's a horrible experience getting worse and worse. somebody suddenly talked about cruelty. what they said was that the degree of boredom became intolerable and was once i've been said as bad as anything you had to hitler had ever done to any of his shock due to his victims. as we know from almost any basic medical understanding human contact is what makes us human. and a let enables a person to have a sense of normalcy in their lives. and when they are completely isolated from any human contact and often kept in this sensory isolation. you will literally

easily become severely mentally impaired, or then they came up a consult with the cia continued to work for them. is really the progenitor, modern psychological torture on this project funded? another guy, mcgill named doctor in cameron. what erin cameron did at elmwood city was, was close to monstrous. i came in psychotherapy, i was just crying, crying cry, a hopeless. i didn't know what to expect. they said i was going to the psychiatric ward. ah, you meant that that, that cameron, that's you and cameron? yes, i met him and we were all was terrified of him. why?

we also fear we all had a fear of him. and we didn't want him to notice us. because whatever he did, whatever there was the patient put them, the patient was always screaming. ah ah ah

my name is frank origin, philadelphia got in the move in any age, 13 or 14, and we were violent towards those people because we believe that were in the race. we were here 1st and this is our country being part of that movement. i got your sense of power. when i felt powerless, we got attention when i felt invisible and accepted when i felt a level life after hey, is an organization that was founded by 4 of skinheads, neo nazi white supremacists in the u. s. in canada. and they found each other and they knew that they wanted to help other guys get out. is 2 parts to getting out of a violent extreme was the 1st part of disengagement which is where you leave the social group. and then the next part is d. radicalization where belief systems ology are removed. it was very impactful. when someone finally came along with no fear, no judgement, you heard my story did nothing to challenge it,

validate these are the days and hours. ah, the occasion professor un cameron was a very famous psychiatrist. he was head of the american psychiatric association and the world psychiatric association. he was the top of the field. at the same time, he seemed pretty much willing to do anything. and the for the cia to find a doctor who didn't have limits in a nearby cap at oh, with lots of patients to work with last as subs that subjects was somebody they were interested in supporting patients would come in with ordinary psychological emotional problems. they sign their waivers, and then they would be subjected to this bizarre urging of extreme

sensory deprivation, isolation for, for up to a month. one of his favorite things was he had a sort of a football helmet with a tape recorder. and that would play a tape and look up to 500000 times, say things like my mother hates me and he would blit the brim with rope center deprivation and kind of psychological emotional assault. well, what's working? i mean it's garbage blue. ah, what he did was he would put people under massive electro shock and he would give it to the banner prolong basis along with what he could sleep therapy. his idea was, once you wiped the brain clean, you could wipe out the site a buried behavior. the bad ideas,

the ideas that were missing up people's minds and you could program in other ideas, but to come out of therapy picked up. it was widely used in germany before it went anywhere else as a way of returning soldiers to board. the german army wasn't going to spend tons of money on psychotherapy for regular soldiers, so they were looking for cheap and effective ways to send soldiers back to war. it then moves into united states in the clinical note of march 23rd 1962 confirmed a 129. e. c. t 's cameron's clinical notice september 12th recommend patterning and sleep. the clinical notes of october, 19th, november, 1st november, 3rd, november 8th, november 15, all confirmed the patterning and various stages. my sister was that was supposed to be acting strange, right?

my mother decided to have, i decided to have the bill to the on find out what was wrong. so i went to the on a couple of months later and that's with the shock group was on me. i was in now on for 6 months. and this would repeat yeah, over days and days and weeks and yeah. is it what you feel you have been through being the patent? yes, i guess am i say you in mariah and are different we're older or a somehow could be yeah, well. 1 they didn't finish the treatments with me. so when i came out, i was still active and so on. but they did. you went through 3 sessions of di patterning treatments. and when i asked you about things before you don't, you don't remember like i say, if i ask you what were you?

what's that for you typing for the national defense, for instance. oh, on that now, are there certain things in your memory that you just don't remember? ah, no, this 1st hospital lies. i was about 1616 and a half. the doctors pushed me into a sleep therapy. and that was it for about 3 weeks in sort of a deep sleep. but i don't remember getting up to go to the washroom. i don't, i just remember that the doctor came in occasionally to feed me, and that was it. and then shortly after a while there was another patient that came in, and she was an older one and she slept in the other bed. when i started to wake up, i've saw these patients and these patients were in tube, some of them they had earphones and headphones. i dont know if they did any of that to me because when i was the 1st 3 weeks, i don't know what happened. but this was

d patterning. ah, the she is doctrine of psychological torture that they develop through research in the decade, the 1950s. and was codified in the bar counterintelligence interrogation manual ah, as to basic techniques on which all the rest of the procedures to run one is sensor deprivation. and the other is self inflicted pain. ah, the cia trained allied agencies in the techniques. so in effect, you know, knowing about, dissemination about is huge, send these techniques to other armies. could you take an ordinary individual like

a breath, g, or recruit and make a person become an effective interrogate. and that seems that november experiment was likely part of this project. when i learned of incidents such as the destruction of millions of men, women and children, perpetrated by the nazis in world war 2. how is it possible? i asked myself, the ordinary people were courteous and decent in everyday life. connect carelessly in you mainly without any limitations of conscience under what conditions, when a person obey authority, who commanded actions and went against conscience. these are exactly the questions that i wanted to investigate at your university. the marines permit very simply was assimilated torture. this was one. not all the research we've been describing

is the impact of interrogation upon the subject. mover had another agenda, the impact of interrogation upon the interrogator. if he were to indicate the wrong answer, he would say wrong. then tell him the number of rolls you're going to give him. then give him the punishment and read the correct word pair. once he got an ordinary people who fit by all the regular scales, very normal americans. and then he subjected them under false color to just to doing what he called an educational experiment. in try to encourage people to apply ever higher voltages. as a false patient kept on getting, making mistakes with, in fact, milgar was able to encourage, at least in his 1st experiments, i think close to 70 percent, to go on to apply highly dangerous and sometimes fatal shocks. i'm not going to get

that man saying that i i want to learn a license not we must go on until he's done wrong. i refuse to take the responsibility of get. i mean he's under all right. oh, it's actually essential as you continue teacher. still, when he left it, i mean, ged going get wrong. good us to one a last. i mean, i'm going to take the responsibility. apparently i was it. i don't, i'm responsible for anything that happens here. continue, but i'm actually slow. wow. dance truck music answer glaze wrong. ah 95 volts dance. let me out a bit. he did this simply with a very simple thing. putting the person behind the wall and having a person with

a white lab coat, telling them that they needed to continue. very ordinary people can be influenced by situations. and it's one of the implications of both the milligram experiment is embargo. the stanford prison experiment was i think, a unique attempt to answer that question of what makes some people behave in good way. but what makes some people behave in a bad way. and so the idea was let's, let's find an evil place and prisons everywhere in the world are evil places. and let's fill this evil place with only good people. to get the students involved,

i had convinced the palo alto police department to make mock arrest of all the students who were going to be president. and then they came down to the basement of at stanford psychology department. the place where the prison study was done. the idea is prison is made to feel inferior, insignificant, worthless. the most important thing is you take away their name, they become a number. and of course, given they have smocks it with no underpants that behind is showing like my 1st hour in there. it was humiliating, lose also, abrupt was quick. it was just, you know, take them off, put this on. and then i got dusted with baking soda, which was supposed to be the d. lauser, and i was lebanon. the cell,

what some bardo did was a very cheap knock off of the kind of thing that milgram was doing. not always embargo, but i think, you know, the guard called john wayne believed that ethics don't matter if the environment is artificial. and that's not true. all life is real life we needed to get tougher with the prisoners and it could well be that we were instructed by the experimenters to get tougher. in fact, i don't think we considered ourselves to be a subject of the experiment. were merely a tool of the researchers to get the results they wanted from the real subjects, which we thought were the prisoners. and i decided to become the nastiest prison

guard that i could make myself for. what i was responsible for coming up with all these routines that i would put the prisoners through where i'd have them stand and align, recite their numbers, do push out to do jumping jacks. i had never once stop to think that these prisoners were suffering any harm or any damage. we're not, we're not beating anybody. we're just sort of applying psychological pressure on them. oh wow. yeah, that's why i've been a harms me. how to how does it hard? just to claim that people can be like, yeah, it, let me in on some knowledge that, that i've never experienced firsthand. i read about it. i read a lot about it, but i've never experienced it. and i've never seen someone turn that way and i know

you're a nice guy. you know, well, you position what would you have that i don't know with ah, as a matter of fact, those in the game, friday, 3, you believe go narrative. there are more you do, let's see. making sure these are 5 very pragmatically. and this is clear, you to see this is interesting enough. you respect it will be more to the right or

more to the are not totally clear about that you politic with less than 3 months. the west ukraine narrative has been turned on its head. ukraine is not winning it steadily losing. the west is not unified. in fact, divisions or wide means the russian economy is weathering, massive sanctions, western economies are in trouble. going 1st. situational forces can overwhelm, can dominate even the best of us. ordinary people, put in a bad evil environment, can become transformed. to become part of that negative environment and it's any of us or in fact most of us the

office of naval intelligence, it was a pretty consistent cut out front for cia. they funded much of this research. and i don't know if there was a yield that they, they produce a yield for this cruel science. i don't, i, that's it. maybe i'm wrong. i just don't think they do it might play out spectacularly in the military. so the connections would be much further down the road. it would be particularly in the iraq war and in the setting of the get low and all of that. and by the time you get to 2001, it's already this cultural artifact. and so it is going to be picked up by by anyone for any permanent.