i was standing in an alley smoking a joint one day and a man came up to me and pulled the joint from my mouth. and he said, don't you know that that's what the capitalists and the jews want you to do. for we were violent towards those people because we believe that we're the superior race. we're here 1st and this is our pantry, guns, ammo, still tow doc martens, tattooing violence just just prerequisite to enter or exit 3 walked off. like you can see this looking to face fear like he feared me. being part of that movement, i got to feel a sense of power. when i felt powerless,

i got attention when i felt invisible and accepted, when i told them we had a strategy, we wanted to clean our image up and make our message more palatable to the masses. don't get tattoos don't shape your head. don't get arrested. go to college, joined the military, keep your head down. go mainstream news. news

news ah i began to hear about these organizations that were trying to help guys get out of the movement because only the guys who were in the movement could really understand what the guys who were currently getting out with feel like what life after hate is an organization that was founded by 4 x skin head,

neo nazi white supremacist in the us and canada. and they found each other and they knew that they wanted to help other guys get out. so the idea is to get them out, make, keep them safe. and get that kind of support that they need from other performers in order to stay out with . welcome and you're welcome. we're pioneer just where the 1st one is to do this, we're the 1st one. and quite frankly, probably the only ones doing it. and we're certainly the only ones driven by 100 percent formless. and this point, even if your desire to do this is new and you don't have the experience. each of us

in this room has the capability to help people where we, once we're, this isn't a path that anyone should have to do a loan. and if there are people in this room who have to do it alone in the beginning, and you understand how difficult that was and what kind of critical role we can play in the lives of someone else. when i miss franklin jackson, philadelphia got in the movement at any age 13 going on 14 in the movement, i got very active, especially very violent. kidnap somebody went to prison and i was 17. as i got out of the movers. don't lose any bombing that made me reach out to people to help the picture of the fireman run down to shoot that, that little girl is something that will always stick with me. ended up going to prison for about 4 years. and that's when i got involved the skinhead movement, there's meaning behind the color of the tattoo. like if it's

a solid black tattoo. a person committed a murder and got away with hulu. i do some serious things. are not a safer, i get that covered up. i have to look at it, no more went to treatment last year and when i graduated, my reached out to white pastor hadn't been involved with them doing stuff. hire portland, trying to reach out and help other people that are struggling to come out of the movement. i was involved with a white area resisted skin has, and emerson has in san diego for 13 or 14 years. we would do gay bashing runs and we would attack people just for the color of their skin. i have left people laying there that i don't know if they lived or not. i was involved in the skin that same from the mid eighty's all the way to the, to the mid ninety's. for 7 or 8 years i went through a disengagement, but i'd left the movement of the movement and left me. it was the birth of my,

my daughter, you know, get enough little girl and the delivery room and my son was born 15 months later, they saw the magnificence of me when i couldn't see it. and they gave me that gift that allowed me to re humanized. i became a gang member about 18 years and sort of that kind of stuff out of prison, june home, stuff like that. after surviving a race right became pretty violent and aggressive and started started manifesting like to say towards whites as a result of that race, right? because of my role in the riot, i quickly grew within the game one of the highest ranking members of my state. i had even made a vow that if i was going to rob steele pillar, whatever it was, nobody white we can start to feel special and what we're going through here and it is special,

but it's not as unique as you might think. it's really a humanistic place. it's the same story. it's the same feelings it's, it's the human experience and hate no matter what. what flag you fly it under has a very similar approach. this inaugural gathering of the former's, i think, is an incredibly important you know, we were able to get and so far was just us as volunteers working together as a team and being able to handle the load. but that's not possible anymore. this countries in too far, crisis with we are being ethnically twins. yeah. in our own nation about is bad. you're

right. we've got to like to preserve ourselves. we got a right to keep this nation, the nation that our forefathers in vision. that's what we're fighting for here. everyone rode together now saying the for the words, i want to secure the existence of the white race in the future for why children. that's what this is all about, is about stopping why? genocide? solving multiculturalism. american white working class is angry they, they've been systematically ignored by both major parties for decades. now, i'm looking at these extreme white nationalist flights premise this year. nazi's, these guys who are active in the stream, right? the very, very end of a continuum. because i want to know how they went from the center and drifted off there and ended up so far from what i consider to be the mainstream. because i think they can tell us a lot about what's going on in the mainstream as well. why with this group that seems so privileged, feel themselves to be such victims. these guys are furious and in many cases

they're kind of right to be furious. they've been delta bad and you can understand the sense of this range without understanding the sense of entitlement that it's founded on. so when i say that their anger is real, it's because they feel like they've been dispossess something's taken from them. the the the language that they use is all a language of retrieving restoring, reclaiming your masculinity because you had it, they took it away. now you've got to get it back. i think i like the the

way that i would ever back down so little like may or finer that i would ever back down when the governor of the state declare a state of emergency if they thought they don't understand what's in my heart, they don't understand the all right, they don't understand this entire movement with randy a sammy i just wanted to check in with you see how you're doing before we come over be so good to meet your brother.

okay, wait, great. our brother will be there in a few minutes. all right, it's the hardest thing i have ever made at the time. my young 900 years was to get out of this. i was going on 20 is. i'm now going to lose family members. mentalism. well, as every friends i've just had for the last 6 years, all along, they're all going to go. all right, so just kind of recap and fresh out, fresh on like, i think just like one day to the next as some questions things. yeah. but he, like he went, he didn't go through a period of questioning his membership. he went from being in to be in like almost instantaneous the same day. kind of thing. you know, he was got turned at the rally, the the getting

beat up. he was getting beat up through protester side of things. people were kicking them in the house and people have to know that it's really ramp it in. the people are getting out to turn to other things. alcohol drug was out other addictions. and so it's, it's, you know, this makes clean break and so, yeah it's, there's gonna be a whole $180.00 on a lifestyle my situation when i got out it was like, i'm alone out here. like i'm completely isolated. i'm alone. and i would try to tell people what my experience was like, but no one could we leave, you know, and it sounds like this guy that we're seeing right now is what i'm hearing is loan in uncertainty. you know, cut off. i think happy and all the others are here to understand what it's like to be in the movement. understands what us like to get out of the movement. to

understand what is like post change as possible. there's a way out there is life after, hey, you know, with ah, ah, ah, ah, since that break away, but don't that people's republic was been ranging and don't boss. ukrainian artillery, it's been shilling civilian towns in mining village is that you're more than welcome to deal with hold on, please do what with what with when it was on the video. but one of the subject of all of the 3 of the little boys will give

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let me ask you like the racial and you always have been a little racist. yeah, yeah, yeah. except and you know, was in your like in your family with your community ever? never normal for you them. yeah, yeah. well i'm way, way i was afraid to be open about every come. grace wants to go personal prism every person around with you know, the other walking already had i didn't, i needed to know what i felt, what i believed felt right. love. most guys,

when they get out they don't keep with it. i know if i, if i have a good person, that's what they do, allow me to click back. oh, so how long over the whole course your life are you involved like actively as like a white supremacist? sure. all time. sure. so we always make new ones. you know, they make them more fashionable usually. i know. so just one big was the on the for i know i, michael, i was like was becoming so myself now to why i don't, i will had it pointed up, you know, 40 from magnum, you know, long, barely, you know, it's going to take everything inside it kicked down, it came back, clean, clean, sharp. how long you've been clean. now. let's see. when we left a couple of years ago or for 3 years. you know, she know, she met me all day long into life boys doing this unless i call not, you know,

a lot of change is getting thrown at you right now. you know? yeah, yeah, a lot, a lot, you know, not using drugs, you know, familiarities gone and the racing was all correct if you will. when you guys have been lifeline. irreplaceable. you know, you're reaching out though, man. you know, you didn't, didn't, didn't do william the person. you know, god coming to hit me and now there wasn't, wasn't that guy. you know, god, you with not fearful as you know, when you tell him today we're gonna, we're definitely going to be down there. i was, i got it got really good. got real quick, i can't imagine what, what the, what the future holds for you ma'am. but if it's anything like what we're seeing is good enough said love, listen, your struggle. keep, keep going through, you know, in scarce hell. you're joining that, that,

that group of men and women men who are, who are facing the same change that you're facing. right? mm. i can't tell you how many hundreds of people who don't believe in the ideology of last while they're in the movement, are too afraid to leave or to afraid to leave for safety purposes. but they're also afraid to start over. they don't want to abandon that identity that they have or that community. and they stay in because they have nothing to go back to because they walked away from everything. when they joined up at the top. what do you think about a nation or a political order that is raised to leave a richard? when you think of a real, let's have some coffee. let's talk with michael. hey, nice to meet with. oh no, no,

no. my what former show us is that you can, you can think as, as low as human beings can think in some ways you can do horrible things and you can come out the other side. you should have them so badly broken that there's no way you could come back from this if you did. so can hey, gary, and right. so can you, if you are going to pretend that this is simply an intellectual exercise and you don't speak to the visceral experience that these guys have in the movement, you won't be able to reach that violence was fairly new to me. i know at the beginning i certainly enjoyed the adrenalin rush and the ability to instill fear in people that was like water to someone to be wandering. the desert correlated factor and someone joining about an extremist group with child trauma abuse could be coming from a broken home and drugs and alcohol. my case, it was abandoned growing up to foster care my whole life in being

physically abused as a kid by my aunt and uncle and my cousins and stuff. and i was fighting since i was a kid, you know, and i grew up in the streets. i know my father loved us very much, but i didn't get to see him a whole lot. and when i was 10, i walked in on him with another woman and then bang, that's when the god fell off the pedestal. but he started to act out at school and to go down this rabbit whole of, of defiance and anger. and i'm confused. i was very confused in my bad, you know, i used to be like another guy being another guy. and barbara, that's no line. i walk in and do no, it's not even basically knocked me out. will punch an out fe, the black, they form a very unhealthy identity about themselves. they're not good enough. they're not smart enough. they're not pretty enough. they're on level, they're less than all my friends in the gang as a young kid, as a young man,

as an older man. we all have very similar experiences. nobody use words like trauma, our views or child abuse, abandonment. my father wasn't there for me. no one could talk about that. it was just like we, we stuff it, we suppress it. the shame was, i think, compiled with humiliation. if you couldn't put her away and you couldn't be violent, we live our lives in until we heal that shame in react to in another way is to adopt an ideology which tells you you're greater that that's what i did feel like other people think they're nothing and here's a group that comes along and says, we think you are something that we think you're better, your special it was my family. it was my identity, it became the person who i was for 8 years. i found comfort mostly because i was

angry at myself and my parents, and being a part of a hate movement, gave me an excuse to kind of remove my own pain and put it on other people so that i could project that and not feel it myself it's sometimes hard to, to really look inward and see that maybe the cause of your problem isn't the other . the ideology is secondary. and i'm talking about every type of extreme, whether it's fundamental religious ideology or hateful or racist ideology. that's something that is just a layer on top of that here and most when i got in prison and mississippi, the reverse racism is so hard core. i got everything from a, from

a number to always go behind here. so i figured the best statement i can make and enjoy the most vicious thing i can think of and let them know if you touch me again, i'm going to q. and nothing said that message is better than the brother. much easier to recruit in southern and again, it is easy to exploit. you know, you have that person 247 around you. you know, it's not like outside where they can go home, get a break and maybe pick a different thought and then you want to do. and there is perfect. i guess you'd be just watched you're here around. and then i recovered, you know, hidden in all my touches. so i used to be the guy with a swastika, all that down the street and people would pull their kids literally. i've seen people pull their kids away from and i say this so yeah, i get that reaction to somebody who's looking down and like live down there. so now,

you know, teachers like, you know, most of the possible. thank you that out of you wanted me to be able to get some of this remote program. yeah, i wouldn't be like changing because i could see that it doesn't come without me putting 1st when you come from nothing. you really have gotten a little bit power, you know. nice and you know, those good to think you're in control or something that's the whole thing about who's power of how, how power so yeah, it's hard to leave that. it's hard to give it up. you go. okay. i will say with all that, but i've shared everything i've also taken on the bruises. i've had everything, all the stress, i've been through years of torture for them to say, okay, that was for nothing. i'm gonna leave it alone and go over here and be a nobody. i don't think there is a single group in the united states and i know of that can be accurately described

as white supremacist. they white supremacist is presumably someone who wants to rule over people of other races. that's a term from the history books. yeah. in terms of living in african climate it's still lot easier. that's why they're, they're different. like foods falling off the trees. yeah. black on white, have you looked at the victim service? i've looked at a lot of victim service. okay. you're looking at how many male on black, you know, rates were there and the last 10 years, i don't know, approaching the euro. okay. okay, so like there are huge discrepancies in terms of crime. and that's our fax. but you think that they're more predisposed to to being criminals? yes. africans. yes. or do you think it's just it's what it is. i don't blame you. don't think it's a, you don't think of a product of our systemic failures and law enforcement and justice system and, and schooling system. and the fact that up until very recently,

very recently in our history where parents were alive, they weren't allowed to have the same access that africans. i, i think a lot of conservatives with sale africa was destroyed by the welfare state. i don't really buy that. i think there was a certain, i think they were destroyed by slavery. howard immigrants affecting you right now. here in whitefish white fish is deeply segregated. do you think we need to bring in more syrian right now? i don't think we need to bring in anybody, but i also don't think we need to exclude anybody if they wish to come in. right. how do you feel about that? well, i would ultimately exclude people. yeah. but i'm willing to say, i'm willing to say it, like i'm willing to defend the community. and most people, i don't know, i'm doing everything i can to protect my people in civilization. i went on a path and like you, i was passionate. i was willing to die for it. i was willing to do what it took to to, to make the vision come through a reality. i think your last,

like i was for 8 years, and i want to know what you down that path. i am the higher ideal of what the right white race can be. and i actually have a super human ideal. i'm not caught up in, you know, justice or security or comfort. so white people are just, they're so good in so nice. it once me, it makes me want to puke they, they, they, they really are accepting towards the other. they want to trust people. but you also need people like me who are guardians of these nice people. we live in a country that's rich by it's diverse and headed to the only way it's going to, it's going to become that way is if it comes down to a civil war, i think there will be a terrible reputation. i don't know when it's going to happen. it might happen tomorrow. it might happen in 50 years or so on. but this thing can go on. what do you think you're really going to accomplish? and i've already accomplished so much like what identity and his own the all right . and i mean not to be good to go, but my name are now household to rooms to meet me. what endo, to create

a more beautiful world. that's exclusive of everybody. but why people blue ah, today i'm authorized to additional strong sanction foreign companies, quitting russia, a license atm card. so blantan banks disconnected from the international payment system, the social hoppey journal, donna and euro exchange rates follow up on a trouble up article, but more so. so i would know what the committee met that evoke has to be looking to spend. is the good. can you say i don't see a material with russian business overcome this song. see? yeah. and i bought it to the nazi to handle huge, tremendously just me don't pres, voice bullshit, national, productive notches, steel dash,

a mere bull. what i see on cell when you come, when you with that already got any of your mind or not. but i, she's appraisal i do look, i don't know if the group, when you, when you're speaking with dr. newson, who is a school. so hopefully we'll get a little bit, you know, the most, with a shape out the theme becomes the advocate and engagement. it was the trail. when so many find themselves worlds apart, we choose to look for common ground.

ah ah ah no, there was no program when i left i kind of and all of us at life after hate kind of stumbled our way through it and then we can take the lessons that we've learned from that and shrink the time frame down. so there's less walk, less wandering in the wilderness, so to speak. when i was in the move in the last 2 years of, before i left, i was struggling with you. i want to leave. i like, pardon me, one to leave another part in it's been battle with us. if i leave, i had nothing to fall back on. i have that deposit. do i have nobody to go to? you know me. no, it says i lived around was 7 years. i have nothing sometimes it's hard if they've got a swastika.