developing only personally and getting to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful. very difficult. time time to sit down and talk. i was standing in an alley smoking a joint one day and a man came up to me and pulled the joint from my mouth. and he said, don't you know that that's what the capitalists and the jews want you to do. we are violent towards those people because we believe that we're the superior race. we're here 1st and this is our pantry, guns, ammo, still tow doc martens, tattooing violence just just prerequisite to enter or exit 3 walked off like i

could see this looking to cease. i fear like he feared me being part of that movement, i got to feel a sense of power. when i felt powerless, i got attention when i felt invisible and accepted when i felt that level we had a strategy, we wanted to clean our image up and make our message more palatable to the masses. don't get tattoos don't shape your head. don't get arrested. go to college, joined the military, keep your head down. go mainstream news. news

ah, a with in i began to hear about these organizations that were trying to help guys get out of the movement. because only the guys who were in the movement could really understand what the guys who are currently getting out would feel like life after

hate is an organization that was founded by for ex skinhead, neo nazi white supremacists in the us and canada. and they found each other and they knew that they wanted to help other guys get out. so the idea is to get them out, make, keep them safe and get that kind of support that they need from other performers in order to stay out with . welcome, and we will stop. yeah, well, we're pioneer and we're the 1st ones to do this. we're the 1st one. and quite

frankly, probably the only ones doing it. and we're certainly the only ones driven by 100 percent for much at this point, even if your desire to do this is new and you don't have the experience. each of us in this room has the capability to help people where we, once we're, this isn't a path that anyone should have to do a loan. and if there's people in this room who had to do it alone in the beginning, and you understand how difficult that was and what kind of critical role we can play in the lives of someone else. well, hi, my name is frank marie jackson, philadelphia got in the movement at any age 13 going on 14 in the movement, i got very active, especially very violent kidnapped. somebody went to prison and i was 17. as i got out of the movie, i was oklahoma city bombing that made me reach out to people to help the picture of the fireman run down to shoot that, that little girl or something. it will always stick with me. ended up going to prison for about 4 years,

and i got involved the skinhead movement. there's meaning behind the color of the tattoo. like if it's a solid black, tad to a person committed a murder and got away with hulu. i do some serious things are not the same for i get that covered up. i have to look at it no more when to treatment last year and when i graduate. my reached out to my pastor hadn't been involved with them. do stuff, hire portland, trying to reach out and help other people that are struggling to come out of the movement. i was involved with the white area resistance can, has an emerson has in san diego for 13 or 14 years. we would do gay bashing runs and we would attack people just for the color of their skin. i have left people laying there that i don't know if they lived or not. i was involved in the skin that seen from the mid eighty's all the way to the,

to the mid ninety's. for 7 or 8 years i went through a disengagement, but i'd left the movement of the movement and left me. it was the birth of my, my daughter. you know, i get enough little girl and the delivery room and my son was born 15 months later, you know, they saw the magnificence of me when i couldn't see it. and they gave me that gift that allowed me to we humanized i became a gang member probably about 18 years and sort of that kind of lifestyle and prison, june home, stuff like that. after surviving a race, right became pretty violent and aggressive and started started manifesting as a towards why it's as a result of that race. right. cause of my role in the right, i quickly grew with him again, one of the highest ranking members in my state. i had made a vow that if i was going to rob steele, pillage whatever it was,

never the whites and we just start to feel special and what we're going through here and in this special . but it's not as unique as you might think. it's really a humanistic play. it's the same story. it's the same feelings it's, it's the human experience and hate no matter what. what flag you fly it under has a very similar approach this inaugural gathering performers. i think it's incredibly important. you know, we were able to get and so far, just us as volunteers working together as a team and being able to handle the load. that's not possible anymore. as countries in to far crisis the

we are being ethnically. oh nation. all right. we've got like the reserve her go right to jeep this nation. the nation that are for product envision that's what we're fighting for here. everyone together now saying before the words, i want to secure the existence of the white race and the future for white children . that's what this is all about, is about stopping white genocide sobbing, multiculturalism american white working class is angry. they've been systematically ignored by both major parties for decades. now, i'm looking at these extreme white nationalist, white premises. nazis, these guys who are active in the stream, right? the very, very end of a continuum because i want to know how they went from the center and drifted off there and ended up so far from what i considered to be the mainstream. because i

think they can tell us a lot about what's going on in the mainstream as well. why would this group that seem so privileged? feel themselves to be such victims? these guys are furious, and in many cases they're kind of right to be furious. they've been delta bad and you can understand the sense of this range without understanding the sense of entitlement that it's founded on. so when i say that their anger is real, it's because they feel like they've been dispossess something's taken from them. the the the language that they use is all a language of retrieving restoring, reclaiming your masculinity because you had it, they took it away. now you've got to get it back. the

the, the ah, the work that i would ever back down a little like may or signer that i would ever back down when the governor of the stage where it's a bit of emergency. if they think that they don't understand why hard, they don't understand the all right, they don't understand this entire movement with

randy a sammy i just wanted to check in with you see how you're doing before we come over we can be so good to meet you brother yeah. okay. all right, great. brother will be there in a few minutes. all right. it's the hardest thing i have ever made at the time. my young 900 years was to get out of this. i was 20. i'm now going to lose family members that are and when i went on this, every friends i've just had for the last 6 years and they're all going to go are so just kind of recap and fresh out. fresh on like, i think you just like one day to the next as still questions, things. yeah. but he like he went, he didn't go through a period of questioning his membership. he went from being in it to be in all like, almost instantaneous, same day kind of thing. you know, he was got turned at the rally,

the the getting beat up. he was getting beat up through protester, side of things. people were looking to make house and people have to know that it's really ramp it in when people are getting out to turn to other things. alcohol, drug was out other addictions. and so, you know, it's, it's, you know, they make clean breaking. so. yeah, it's, there's gonna be a whole $180.00 and a lifestyle my situation when i got out it was like, i'm alone out here. like i'm completely isolated. i'm alone. and i would try to tell people what my experience was like, but no one could. we leave, you know, and it sounds like this guy that we're seeing right now is what i'm hearing as loan uncertainty. you know, cut off, i think,

happy than all the others are here. to understand what it's like to be in the movement understands what us like to get out of the movement to understand what is like post change as possible. there's a way or there is life or for hey, with, for ah, wow. oh oh i

know. ah, with to day i'm authorizing the additional strong sanction foreign companies quitting russia. design to one. thank you. las glycine. so atm card. so blantan banks disconnected from the international payment system, the social move hoppey, jermel, donna and euro exchange rates followed minneapolis sellable up our nickel the more for so carson would know what the committee met, that he woke up the pilgrim. this then is the current. can you see what i'm not sure. see, a metallica there was volume and russian business overcome this song. see, near, rob bought it to the nazi to huddle. she's tremendously just me. don't pros voice bullshit. nash, a productive notches, steel dash, a miracle. what i see for themselves when you come, when you look at them,

if you're still in february of february, you got annual in your mind for the student, but she's go praise id, look i know post kit cost to get the group when you, when you're speaking with dr. numbness, listen, who is a solution for her delusion? go little book lucian williams. with let me ask you like the racial and you always have the little racist. yeah. yeah, yeah. and this kind of fell into the next step and you know, was in your like in your family and your community, it's ever ever norma for you that yeah,

yeah. well i'm way, way i was afraid to be open about it every come. grace was a good person for them. never to that person around with, you know, they got the walking already had i didn't, i need to know what i felt and what i believed. felt right. love love, most guys in the get out. they don't keep with it. i know if i, if i have a good person, that's what i have to do to hook back. oh, so how long over the whole course your life are you involved actively as like a white supremacist, michelle john? sure. all the time, we always make new ones. you know, they make them more fashionable usually. i know. so just one big was the on the for i know i, michael i was like was coming off now to why i don't. my bill had pointed up. 40 from magnum, you know, long, barely,

you know, it's going to take it everything inside. it kicked down. it came back, clean, clean, sharp. how long you've been clean. now. let's see. when we left a couple of years ago or for 3 years, you know she, she met him all day long into life voice. this unless it's what it's called nazi. no. it's a lot of change is getting thrown at you right now. you know? yeah, yeah. a lot, a lot, you know, let you know, using drugs, you know, familiarity is gone and the racing is all correct. if you will. you guys have been lifeline. irreplaceable. you know, you're reaching out though, man. you know? yeah. didn't, didn't, didn't do william the person. you know, god coming to hit me and now there wasn't, wasn't that guy. you know, god, you not fearful as you know,

when you called in today we are definitely gonna be down there. got real. got real quick. i can't imagine what, what, what the future holds. sure, ma'am, but if it's anything like what we're seeing now is good enough. so, you know, one of the most that you're struggling to keep going through scares, hell, but you're joining that, that, that group of men and women men who are, who are facing the same change you're facing, right? i can't tell you how many hundreds of people who don't believe in the ideology of last the while they're in the movement are too afraid to leave or to afraid to leave for safety purposes. but they're also afraid to start over. they don't want to abandon the identity that they have or that community. and they stay in because they have nothing to go back to because they walked away from everything. when they

joined up at the top. what do you think about a nation or political order that is racially, they are richard the what do you think of israel of have some coffee? let's talk. okay. mike michael. hey, nice to meet with me. oh no, no, no. what form is show us is that you can, you can think as, as low as human beings can think in some ways you can do horrible things and you can come out the other side. you should have been so badly broken that there's no way you could come back from this. if you did so can have that right. so can you, if you are going to pretend that this is simply an intellectual exercise, and you don't speak to the visceral experience that these guys have in the movement, you won't be able to reached out. violence was fairly new to me. i know at the

beginning i certainly enjoyed the adrenalin rush and the ability to instill fear in people that was like water to someone of the wandering, the desert correlated factor, and someone joining about when the extremist group with child trauma abuse could be coming from a broken home and drugs and alcohol. my case if there was abandonment, going out to foster care my whole life and being physically abused as a kid by my an uncle and my cousins and stuff. and i find, since i was a kid, you know, and i grew up in the streets. i know my father loved us very much, but i didn't get to see him a whole lot. when i was 10, i walked in on him with another woman. and then bang, that's when the, the gone sell off the pedestal. we started to act out at school and to go down this rabbit whole of, of defiance and anger and confuse,

i was very confused in my dad. you know, i used to be like another guy being another guy. and barbara, that's no life. i walk in and you know, it's not even basically knocked me out with a punch. i'm out fade the black. they form a very unhealthy identity about themselves. they're not good enough, they're not smart enough. they're not pretty enough. they're on level. they're less than all my friends in the gang as a young kid as a young man as an older man. we all have very similar experiences. nobody use words like trauma or abuse or child abuse abandoned man. my father wasn't there for me. no one could talk about that. it was just like we, we stuff it was depress it. the shame was, i think compiled with humiliation. if you couldn't put it away and you couldn't be violent, we live our lives. and until we heal that shame in reaction to in

another way is to adopt an ideology which tells you you're greater that, that's what i did. i feel like other people think they're not. and here's a group that comes along and says, we think you are something that we think you're better, your special it was my family. it was my identity, it became the person who i was for 8 years. i found comfort and mostly because i was angry at myself and my parents and being a part of a hate movement, gave me an excuse to kind of remove my own pain and put it on other people so that i could project that and not feel it myself, it's sometimes hard to, to really look inward and see that maybe the cause of your problem isn't the other . the ideology is secondary and i'm talking about every type of extreme, whether it's fundamental religious ideology or hateful or racist ideology. that's something that is just

a layer on top of that here and my most when i got in prison and mississippi, the reverse racism is so hard core. i got everything from my home, from a number to always goes behind my ears. so i figured the best statement i could make and enjoy the most vicious thing i can think of and let them know if you touch me again, i'm going to kill you. and nothing said that message better than the brother. much easier to recruit in southern and again, it is easy to exploit. you know, you have that person 247 around you. you know, it's not like outside where they can go home, get a break and maybe make

a difference. and then you want to do and there is perfect. i guess you see i was here on around and then i know recovered, you know, hidden in all my touches. so i used to be the guy with a swastika on that one and down the street and people would pull the kids or me literally. i've seen people pull their kids away from us. so yeah, i get that reaction to somebody who's looking down and like, live down there with financial, you know, cheap stairs like, you know, most of the possible thank you that you wanted me to be able to get some of this remote covered up. i wouldn't be live changing because i could see that it doesn't come without a problem 1st. when you come from nothing you really have gotten up and a little bit power. you know, i think it's nice and you know, those good to think you're in control or something that's the whole thing about the power of how, how power so yeah,

it's hard to leave that. it's hard to give it up. you go. okay. i will say, what would all that bullshit here is saying, i've also taken on the bruise of had everything, all the stress, i've been through years of torture for them to say ok, that was for nothing. i'm gonna leave it alone. i'm go over here and be a nobody. i don't think there is a single group in the united states that i know of that can be accurately described as white supremacist. the white supremacists is presumably someone who wants to rule over people of other races. that's a term from the history books. yeah. in terms of living in african climate it's a lot easier way. there are different. like foods falling off the trees. yeah. black and white. you looked at the victim service. i've looked at a lot of victim server. ok. you're looking at how many who hate mail on black, you know, rapes were there, and the last 10 years i don't know approaching the euro. okay. okay,

so like there are huge discrepancies in terms of crime. and that's our fax. but you think that they're more predisposed to to being criminals? yes. africans. yes or do you think it's just it's what it is. i don't blame you. don't think it's a, you don't think of a product of our systemic failures and law enforcement justice system and the schooling system in the fact that up until very recently, very recently in our history where parents were alive, they weren't allowed to have the same access that way, africans, i, i think a lot of conservatives will sail, africans will destroyed by the welfare states. i don't really buy that. i think there was a certain, i think they were destroyed by slavery. howard immigrants affecting you right now. here in whitefish white fish is deeply segregated. do you think we need to bring in more syrian ref? no, i don't think we need to bring in anybody, but i also don't think we need to exclude anybody if they wish to come in. right.

how do you feel about that? well, i would ultimately exclude people. yeah. but i'm willing to say i'm willing to say it, like i'm willing to defend the community. and most people, what i'm doing everything i can to protect my people in civilization. i went down a path and like you, i was passionate, i was willing to die for it. i was willing to do what it took to to, to make the vision come through a reality. i think your last, like i was for 8 years and i want to know what you down the path. i am the higher ideal of what the right white race can be. and i actually have a superhuman ideal. i'm not caught up in you know, justice or security or comfort. so white people are just, they're so good in so nice. it once me, it makes me want to puke. they, they, they, they really are accepting towards the other. they want to trust people. but you also need people like me who are guardians of these nice people. we live in a country that's rich by it's diverse and additive can only way it's going to. it's

going to become that ways if it comes down to a civil war. i think there will be a terrible presentation. i don't know when it's going to happen. it might happen tomorrow. it might happen in 50 years or so on. but this thing can't go on. what do you think you really going to accomplish? and we've already accomplished so much like what identity and his own the all right . and i mean not to be good to go, but my name are now household to rooms to meet me. what endo, to create a more beautiful world. that's exclusive of everybody. but why people ah, ah luis to come to the russian state little narrative. i've status on the northland scheme diva with within the city that

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you know, there was no program when i left i kind of and all of us at a life after hate kind of stumbled our way through it and then we can take the lessons that we've learned from that and shrink the timeframe down. so there's less was less wandering in the wilderness, so to speak. when i was in the move in the last 2 years, and before i left i was struggling with do i want to leave? part of me want to leave another part. been battle with us. if i leave, i have no back or i have not positive. do i have nobody to go to? you know that i lived around the last 7 years. i have nothing. sometimes it's hard . if they've got a swastika tattooed on their neck, it's hard for them, but just to say, i don't do that anymore. it's kind of a long process. it's not like you just leave it one day and you're like, god, that's over. i had been out of the room and for i got connected with these guys, but i was on my own and didn't talk about it. and.