you know, there was no program when i left i kind of and all of us at life, esther hate kind of stumbled our way through it. and then we can take the lessons that we've learned from that and shrink the time frame down. so there's less was less wandering in the wilderness, so to speak. when i was in the move in the last 2 years, before i left, i was struggling with do i want to leave? i like part of me want to leave another part. it was been battle with us. if i leave adults all back on i have that deposit. do i have nobody to go to? you know me? no. because as i lived around last 7 years i have nothing. sometimes it's hard if they've got a swastika tattooed on their neck, it's hard for them, but just to say, i don't do that anymore. it's kind of a long process. it's not like you just leave it one day and you're like, well, i'm glad that's over. i had been out of the movement before i got connected with these guys, but i was on my own and didn't talk about it and had

a lot of buried shame and guilt. and then i met these guys and i saw, you know, frankly talking arnold talk, it help me get past that barrier of feeling like i had to hide this from the world that opening up has really just taken my, my healing process and my evolution to a whole other level really, you've gotta find a way to find an affirmation that every discussion, no matter how bad it feels, it is going. you've just got to be able to acknowledge like takes guts to do that. try to help them discover the abilities that they have. this is why we don't want to foster dependency. this is why the intervention can't rely on my car is more. they go from being untrusting, hateful, spiteful, distant to begging for more interaction. another phone call. another meeting, you know, tell me poor and don't be surprised when they say that's the best conversation i've had in a long time. that is something that's very routine that comes out of the people just want to be listened to. and we're trying to teach you how to listen to them while we hold

a mirror up. so the person can see their humanity reflected back at them through our when we treat them as human beings treat them for the suffering person that they are, they, on the receiving end of that, they get to see that, hey there's, there is a human insights. and lastly, i think the incredible power of compassion was very impactful. when someone finally came along with no fear, no judgement, she heard my story did nothing to challenge it but validated. as soon as i started talking about my mother, tears came out. i just spilled my guts about everything she had done to me. letting her brother raised me and my sister denying the rape half and making us go back around. how many times she she tried to kill me, broken bones, bruises the starvation, the sleep deprivation, the humiliation making me swallow my own. my brothers and sisters watching is turning my brother against me. keep my sister away from me like i had never had

a chance to just unleash solid. and i probably went on like an hour of just the stuff she did to me. and he says, well, i want to ask another question. have you ever done this to anyone else? just in that moment it was like i'm just like my mother me. what really changed me was receiving compassion from the people that i least deserved from when i least deserved. people knew who i was, it was a small town, they knew what i was capable of and what i'd been doing for years and they didn't

attack me. they didn't break the windows of my star, then argue ideologically with me. they came in and they were empathetic towards me, and they treated me with compassion despite the horrible person that i was at the time. the buddy might offer me a job carrying in antique furniture at cherry hall, new jersey, long for weekend 3 days, 100 bucks a day. and i told him, i said, i think the job, he was going to tell you, before you say yes, the guy who owns this company is do. and i said, i don't care and i've talked to him, do i want to work for his name at 6 months? still think i was in the or not chief would fit every jewish stereotype religious right now like i don't bring them right. or you know,

say where i broke the marble top table and i was like keith, i'm so stupid. i'm so sorry. 7 bowers frame. me so i so hours a day rate for the customer, but spot it off of very drove me home. i was waiting for him to fire me. so actually you know that i remember him not to bridge on that day. and i just kept my boots on this little seat of his trunk that you couldn't really put him any further than i were at my age. we're hurting so bad because it's trying to hold him up there. so for the whole ride home swastikas looks at him every day. like it isn't normally nazi. and i just wanted to see my boots. i knew him boots and what he did for me, they dropped me off and they were full pay. take anything i pay monday. and i

was told and i just couldn't wait for things or feed me everyone back. i'm not scared wanted him. i'm done with it, i'm fluid it was 2 parts to getting out of a violent extremist group. the 1st part is disengagement, which is where you leave the social group. you leave the behavior you leave, but you probably still have the ideology. you've been given this nice recipe for how the world works and you take that away from somebody and then why do they have, right? they, they were looking for an analysis and you've taken away their analysis. so, you know, what's left drugs. i mean there all kinds of things that they can just sort of fall into. so you have to be very careful about it. and when you're bringing them out, you will learn them to the risks. this isn't going to be easy and are going to be people that are angry that do this because they've lost someone, they've invested the time and energy and we do debriefing. you're going to,

if you're going to be on the outside, we need to know everything you know about how it works on the inside. so you're not going back in. so we're, since we're going to burn those help you burn those bridges. so you can't go back and take everything away that was associated with that world. we take away your white laces. we take away your nazi fly because it's too easy to go back into. the next part is d. radicalization where the belief systems in the audiology are removed or you can go to go get an anti mental from the cobra for a couple years. they get the rates at the same time. it's made that big. that's how they do it. we're at the anti event on demand because we have, we had that many in our so we not spew it and we know how to also make it in the empty mental and we had the answer. so i do believe the secret sauce is coming from a loving place. you can't hate this person and expect to communicate any of that. you can't judge this person and expect to calmer, that with empathy before you got out what was what was pushing you to want to get

out. i wrote in jackson, me, you know, before and after prison or, you know, muslim best friends, but it's like, ok in prison. you know, like, you know, you have to be so you pretend to be it. and after a while, before you realize it in a scary is you actually become that image. you were just training. i had myself every day for getting myself locked up. so when i looked at it, what made anybody else more special than me? so i have others. where does that shift come from? how come you one day you went from? not thinking about that to really saying i need to start making some changes. is watch, watch much longer up and visit brusheart engine every time watching. you know, i'm saying live on the, on the family because i can be out there. the brothers didn't like that when they found out because they could just left me a little bit of

a deal. said they tried to kill me. why now? i get shot. go off the road and you know, i'm going to come tunes his race car breaks us, i'm on breaks and i remember slicing, child call us up, right? he's, like i said, yes, this is good. you need to is mad right across. and then we inside the school and open this up about how to get out and just to get on time if there's one thing, then someone's talking to someone in that life who may not be aware that there's a way out. what would you say they go all the have that have ruins . you poisons you're very so man. i learned a lot of since

really during the summer in 2016, we started to see a significant consistent increase in the number of incidents reported to our office . we saw between 20152016. the number of anti muslim hate groups tripled tonight. the every i walking into whether have crime charges will be filed against an alleged white supremacists, accused of stabbing to good samaritans to death on a commuter train in portland. the guy who did that was someone who had been in the fringes of the all right movement. and he's up on erica lee. the country are great on there that we hear that all the time go back to where you came from and he just amped up that rhetoric that he wants to take his country back. and so that's that, that's the theme that runs through that. and we're not going to let people come in to our factory troy,

i saw this guy running for president doing the exact same thing and i couldn't believe that i was hearing it, but i knew that it would work. and that was the frightening thing. because i've seen it work on klan rally and stone mountain georgia. i saw that kind of rhetoric where people are yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. what do we do about their culture? i don't want to know about their culture. if you want your body, you just don't know why don't know what to do with the bucket of gasoline was kicked over and lit up. all those little sparks that already existed into a large forest fire. part of donald trump's huge appeal was that although he does not think in terms of race, the way i do, he at least thinks in terms of nation, he recognized that the united states is a nation with a particular people. and that not everybody belongs here. this is a great,

a leave 2 millions of white people who have seen their nation transformed in the name of diversity diversity that always comes at the expense of what he spoke to. some of the things that, that angry white male wants to hear. we're gonna put a wall on the border. we're going to make the mexicans pay ford. we're going to bring manufacturing jobs back as a kind of populous messaged white males, combined with racism, that was found to be very attractive and everyone's premises like that idea as well . there's not thousands, tens of thousands, there's hundreds of thousands of them that have an intellectual curiosity and an understanding of national socialism that no skin had ever had. there was a price you paid if you were a public with you or being a tree or anti semitism, it didn't serve you well in your career. your friends in your neighborhood, really born, excited to hang out with you. your kids might be embarrassed of you. your parents

would be really upsetting you and people learned that those attitudes were not going to be beneficial to their life. i think what we're concerned about now is that blanket and then we put over it, is being pulled back. that it's going to be really hard to put that back where it was with a smoker, with a medicine both, both the models you need to do with a,

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except where such order that conflict with the 1st law and, and just in case we should be very careful about artificial intelligence at the point obviously is too great trust rather than a job with artificial intelligence, real summoning with a robot must protect its own existence with ah, there was a state of emergency in florida. it's a white nationalist, was about to take stage in the 3 hour day. university of florida is grayson for potential violence today of a speech by white nationalist later richard spencer, who the protesters gathering out. so i decided the only reason my to say,

but i would say that back to you. all right, i read the notion that they really were that way to find a stage spencer, trying to speak to the noise or the chip with

that. so you know how to check with these guy guy's gonna get killed that here. so my god, i hope he's got cover this. hey, people who say oh is all love we hey, hey hey, hey hey, love please. same people had a message a hey i was randy. you

know, i came on i don't want to talk to you. you know, understand you. he will cool. no problem the whole time. we couldn't really have a discussion because the camera, you know, you people question i get done with what was it was go find more really intimate said neil, i don't know if i'm talking to you can be like really and i guess our intimate said was force known as we were both keep out. so we encountered some police officers and they were treating randy how they would treat me on a regular day, you know, just are for what they perceive by his, our parents and in the end of one arrest in. yeah, i right, this maze got beat on it's been are usually the spent on the back is it usually is my birth. what is he doing wrong? why you haven't been, sit on the ground, do this type of stuff. so we actually started walking and talking and we found out we have things in common. you know, i some,

his views about certain bay. it was certain i'm girl and both. yeah. he was telling me he got involved in his teenage years in the area nation. and that's just how a lot of my friends and different people get involved in the blow to cripps in different games they join. that's what's around you. so whatever is around you and your friends may be involved, whatever happens your, my state is going to be on that. so for me, i just saw the similarities of what my culture would deal with just in a little different way. there's no, there's nothing new up on it. a son. his was just a different route. they angry white man, angry by 2 different people. the angry black man is angry because he has no home, has no vision, no way to provide angry white people, especially in a lower income cause they have so many mental and role models that you can just turn on the tv and see success. i mean, now i will be deprived too if i'm down at the bottom would be black people when they got to really be back in you know, i'm why, what am i know?

it is, it, is it that, you know, see the thing around and you know, no one you're gonna daugherty, you know what better way to focus at. inger, that, that all these people people a different field color. i'd say it white man because he's angry because he doesn't really understand was listening. oh that america he doesn't even say i. e got to where do you that? you know, i'll for the blessed with my ancestors backs them. i mean everybody. that's why it in america has benefited off. if i me answer that color or response to amos are missing, you know, busy right now. given the wrong hope i got somebody to understand matches myself, but my culture as a whole and look it differently. just because of my individual encounter and we

talk every week, there are 2 times we lease others that the at least 2 times, you know, your phone calls, you know, our phone calls and we tell them was roused with . ready when you think about what you've done, just in the last month, the, the turn around the correction, what you've abandoned and what you adopted it's most people can't even lose 10 pounds. they want to lose much less make an entire mental, emotional lifestyle change to humanize town, which allowed him to humanize your like that. that's not rocket science, but yeah, it's, it's evading. the majority of the country right now, there's a lot, i could, i could never look at anybody and eric, eric and bro, who, the nation. anybody got a lot of on the same lack of i got free and then that was part of his narrative. and it changes his narrative, not that we agree with anything that comes out of the far right. there's that we

don't ever forget that there are people inside of those people. you know that there's a human being inside of this person, right. and we just choose not to forget that you don't really see x, not seeing vitamin, you know, have a lot of dialogue as we do. but i mean, i can consider him a friend. i was glad that i could have that effect on randy to open his eyes up to see then you know something a c. whatever may have been introduced to him or told him was proven to be a last day in madison. but i think we often

think about this and terms of the ways in which they are failing us. they are a bad man. they are floating away from us. they are deviant. and i think we need to ask the other question. also, we need to ask the question and how we are failing them. what kind of ways can we keep them in the center? and part of my answer to that is we have to find ways to keep them validated as men . it's really amazing. when people feel more whole quickly and how easily ideology of hate falls away, and if you can reconnect them to the people that they thought they hated, it helps build that. i'm them. these are that they realize that they're actually a part of the solution rather than contributing to the problem. the 1st time i've ever felt accepted any shape or form from anybody is actually with my wife after have another p 5 mad just recently. i feel if those that

degrades, so i want everybody to know the human being here instead of like mission touches . but i have person to be able to have the different cultures and different people here. it really is good to be able to cause it to be able to interact because it teaches me that, you know, we're all in this together. this is a part of our solution and farmers are evolving into a powerful force and justice quality from love, peace, compassion. we are operating as human beings from one of 2 places here. or let me get to choose which one that is or will happen in the days following boston happened. it was such a turn out and seen that a mortgage support for countering the narrative of white supremacy. it really

flooded me with hope. i am proud that i can be a voice against what i used stamps or i thought i have something to bring to the table among the bigger and better things. while i'm still mindful of what i owe to society. but no one's better served by my guilty shame at this point including me. ready me who in our turn and they are sitting in a glock at this time, 71 suspects going about molly and you need to communicate with him

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