or, or exit before he walked off, like you could see this looking to cease. i fear like he feared me being part of that movement, i got to feel a sense of power. when i felt powerless, i got attention when i felt invisible and accepted when i felt we had a strategy, we wanted to clean our image up and make our message more palatable to the masses. don't get tattoos don't shape your head. don't get arrested. go to college, joined the military, keep your head down, go mainstream the news.

the news i began to hear about these organizations that were trying to help guys get out of the movement because only the guys who were in the movement could really understand

the guys who are currently getting out would feel like life after hate is an organization that was founded by 4, ex skinhead, neo nazi white supremacist in the us and canada. and they found each other and they knew that they wanted to help other guys get out. so the idea is to get them out, make, keep them safe and get that kind of support that they need from other performers in order to stay out with . welcome. and we were thought, yeah, well, we're pioneering because we're the 1st ones to do this for the 1st one. and quite

frankly, probably the only ones doing it. and we're certainly the only ones driven by 100 percent formless at this point. even if your desire to do this is new and you don't have the experience. each of us in this room has the capability to help people where we, once we're, this isn't a path that anyone should have to do a loan. and if there are people in this room who have to do it alone in the beginning, and you understand how difficult that was and what kind of critical role we can play in the lives of someone else. mm. mm. hi, my name is frank marie jackson, philadelphia got in the moment at any age 13 going on 14 in the movement. i got very active, especially very violent. kidnap somebody went to prison and i was 17. as i got out of the movers, oklahoma city bombing that made me reach out to people to help the picture of the fireman right down the street. that, that little girl or something it will always stick with me. ended up going to

prison for about 4 years, and i got all the skin movement. there's meaning behind the color of the tat to like if it's a solid black, tad to a person committed a murder and got away with hulu. i just, some serious things are not the same for i get that covered out. i have to look at it. no more when to treatment last year and when i graduate. my reached out to my pastor hadn't been involved with them doing stuff. hire portland, trying to reach out and help other people that are struggling to come out of the movement. i was involved with the white area resistance can, has, and emerson has in san diego for 13 or 14 years. we would do gay bashing runs and we would attack people just for the color of their skin. i have left people laying there that i don't know if they lived or not. i was

involved in the skin that seen from the mid eighty's all the way to the, to the mid ninety's. for 7 or 8 years i went through a disengagement, but i'd left the movement of the movement and left me. it was the birth of my, my daughter. you know, i get enough little girl and the delivery room and my son was born 15 months later, they saw the magnificence of me when i couldn't see it. and they gave me that gift that allowed me to, we humanized i became a gang member, spent about 18 years and started that kind of stuff in and out of prison, june home, stuff like that. after surviving a race, right. it became pretty violent and aggressive and started started manifesting, to say, towards whites as a result of that race, right? because of my role in the riot, i quickly grew within the game one of the highest ranking members in my state. i had made a vow that if i was gonna steel pillage whatever,

there was no white in we just start to feel special and what we're going through here and in this special . but it's not as unique as you might think. it's really a humanistic play. it's the same story. it's the same feeling it's, it's the human experience and hate no matter what. what flag you fly it under has a very similar approach. this inaugural gathering. performers think it's incredibly important, you know, we were able to get and so far just us as volunteers working together as a team and being able to handle the load that's not possible anymore. as countries in to far crisis. the news

we are being ethnically. oh nation we've got to reserve ourselves right to keep this nation the nation that are for product. envision that's what we're fighting for here. everyone together now saying before the words i want to secure the existence of the white race and the future for white children. that's what this is all about. is about stopping white genocide sobbing, multiculturalism american white working classes angry. they've been systematically ignored by both major parties for decades. now, i'm looking at these extreme white nationalist, white premises. nazis, these guys who are active in the stream, right? the very, very end of a continuum because i want to know how they went from the center and drifted off there and ended up so far from what i considered to be the mainstream. because i

think they can tell us a lot about what's going on in the mainstream as well. why would this group that seem so privileged? feel themselves to be such victims? these guys are furious, and in many cases they're kind of right to be furious. they've been delta bad and you can understand the sense of this range without understanding the sense of entitlement that it's founded on. so when i say that their anger is real, it's because they feel like they've been dispossess something's taken from them. the the the language that they use is all a language of retrieving restoring, reclaiming your masculinity because you had it, they took it away. now you've got to get it back. i

think i like the the the, the work that i would ever back down to such a little creek like may or finer that i would ever got down when the governor of the state to quit or is a bit of emergency if they think that they don't understand what's in my work. they don't understand the all right. they don't understand this entire movement. we

hey randy. a sammy i just wanted to check in with you see how you're doing before we come over? we can be so good to meet you, brother. yeah, okay, all right, great. brother will be there in a few minutes. all right. it's the hardest thing i have ever made at the time. my young 900 years was to get out of this. i was going to 20. i'm now going to lose family members that are and when i was every friends i've just had for the last 6 years and they're all going to go. all right, so just kind of recap and fresh out, fresh on like, i think you just like he one day to the next is still questions. things. yeah. but he like he went, he didn't go through a period of questioning his membership. he went from being in a to be in all like, almost instantaneous, same day kind of thing. you know,

he was got turned at the rally, the getting beat up. he was getting beat up through protester side of things. people were kicking them in the house and people have to know that it's really ramp it in when people are getting out to turn to other things. alcohol drug was out other addictions or so, you know, it's, it's, you know, this make this clean break and it's, you know, it's, there's going to be issues that a whole $180.00 on a lifestyle my situation when i got out it was like, i'm alone out here, like i'm completely isolated, i'm alone and i would try to tell people what my experience was like, but no one could. we leave, you know, and it sounds like this guy that we're seeing right now is what i'm hearing as lone . certain in all cut off,

i think happy than all the others are here. to understand what it's like to be in the movement. to understand what us like to get out of the movement. to understand what is like post change as possible, there's a way or there is life after, hey, with ah ah, needs to come to the russians state will never be on the most landscape with

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madison. both, both the models you need to do both. got nelson's new with a grain already. a lot of them bought humor on for them was a bit you all they need that misleading and you that the guy with a budget, a little dozen with

let me ask you like the racial and you always kind of in a little racist. yeah. this kind of fell into exceptions, you know, was in your like in your family when your community is ever everywhere. so arm a few them. yeah, yeah. well i'm way, way i was afraid to be open about every come grace ones or go personal prism. never person around with them. you know, they get the walking already had it and i need to know what i felt, what i believed. all right. love love. most guys in the get out. they don't keep

with it. i know if i, if i have a good person, that's what i have to do to click back. oh, so how long over the whole course, your life for you involved actively as a white supremacist? i'd want michelle john. sure. it's all john. we always make new ones, you know, make them more fashionable. usually. i know. so just one big was the on the for i know i, michael, i was like, i was coming off now to kind of, i don't wanna fight both had pointed up, you know, 44 magnum, you know, long, barely, you know, it's gonna take everything inside it kicked down, it came back, clean, clean, sharp. on your claim. now, let's see what every couple years ago are for 3 years. you know, she's not, she met them all day long into life. was doing this unless it's what it's called

nazi. no. it's a lot of change is getting thrown at you right now. you know? yeah, yeah, a lot, a lot, you know, let you know, using drugs, you know, familiarities gone and the racing was all correct if you will. when you guys have been lifeline. irreplaceable. you know, you're reaching out to man, you know, you didn't, didn't, didn't do william the person, your god coming to hit me. and now there wasn't, wasn't that guy. you know, god, you with not fearful as you know, when you tell him today we're gonna, we're definitely gonna be down there. i was like, i got real good guy real quick. i can't imagine what, what the, what the future holds for you ma'am. but if it's anything like what we're seeing is good enough said love, you know, one of the most senior struggle keep, keep going through, you know, scares, hell. you're joining that, that, that group of men and women men who are,

who are facing the same change that you're facing. right? mm. i can't tell you how many hundreds of people who don't believe in the ideology of loss while they're in the movement are too afraid to leave or to afraid to leave for safety purposes. but they're also afraid to start over. they don't want to abandon that identity that they have or that community. and they stay in because they have nothing to go back to because they walked away from everything. when they joined up at the top. what do you think about a nation or a political order that is raised to leave a richard the what, what do you think is real? let's have some coffee. let's talk with my go, hey my son mason. i mean like they? yeah. with oh no, no, no. what formers show us is that you can, you can think as,

as low as human beings can think in some ways you can do horrible things and you can come out the other side. you should have been so badly broken that there's no way you could come back from this. if you did. so can, hey, very and right. so can you, if you are going to pretend that this is simply an intellectual exercise and you don't speak to the visceral experience that these guys have in the movement, you won't be able to reach that violence was fairly new to me. i know at the beginning i certainly enjoyed the adrenalin rush and the ability to instill fear in people that was like water to someone of the wandering, the desert correlated factor, and someone joining about when extremis group with child trauma abuse could be coming from a broken home and drugs and alcohol, my case there was abandonment, growing up in foster care. my whole life in being physically abused as

a kid by my an uncle and my cousins and stuff. and i find, since i was a kid, you know, and i grew up in the streets. i know my father loved us very much, but i didn't get to see him a whole lot when i was 10, walked in on him with another woman. and then bang, that's when the, the gone fell off the pedestal resorted to act out at school and to go down this rabbit whole of, of defiance and anger and confuse i was very confused in my dad. you know, i used to be like another guy being another guy. and barbara. no, i, i walk in and you know, it's not basically knocked me out with a punch. i'm out fade, the black. they form a very unhealthy identity about themselves. they're not good enough. they're not smart enough, they're not pretty enough. they're on level. they're less than all my friends in the gang as a young kid as

a young man as an older man. we all have very similar experiences. nobody use words like trauma or abuse or child abuse abandoned man. my father wasn't there for me. no one could talk about that. it was just like we, we stuff it, we suppress it. the shame was, i think compiled with humiliation. if you couldn't put it away and you couldn't be violent, we live our lives. and until we heal that shame in reaction to in another way is to adopt an ideology which tells you you're greater that that's what i did feel like other people think they're nothing. and here's a group that comes along and says, we think you are something that we think you're better, your special it was my family. it was my identity, it became the person who i was for 8 years. i found comfort and mostly because i was angry at myself, and my parents being a part of a hate movement,

gave me an excuse to kind of remove my own pain and put it on other people so that i could project that and not feel it myself it's sometimes hard to, to really look inward and see that maybe the cause of your problem isn't the other . the ideology is secondary and i'm talking about every type of extreme, whether it's fundamental religious ideology or hateful or racist ideology. that's something that is just a layer on top the best here and most when i got in prison and mississippi, the reverse racism is so hard core. i got everything from a, from a number. you know,

so always goes behind my ears. so i figured the best statement i could make have enjoy the most vicious thing i can think of and let them know if you touch me again, i'm going to kill you. and nothing said that message is better than the brother. much easier to recruit in southern and again, it is easy to exploit. you know, you have that person 247 around you. you know, it's not like outside where they can go home, get a break and made me think a different then you want to do. and there is perfect. i guess you see i was here on around and then i know recovered, you know, hidden in all my touches. so i used to be the guy with a swastika. i mean that down the street and people would pull their kids. literally . i've seen people pull their kids away from and i say this so yeah, i get that reaction to somebody who's looking down and like, live down there. so now try to, you know, keep started like, you know,

most of the possible. thank you that you wanted me to be able to get some of this remote cover. i wouldn't be live changing because i people will never see that me. that doesn't call without me 1st. when you come from nothing, you really have gotten them a little bit power and i think it's nice and you know, those good to think you're in control or something that's the whole thing about who's you know, power, power power. so yeah, it's hard to leave that, it's hard to give it up, you know, okay. i will say with all that, but i've shared hairy thing. i've also taken on the bruise. i've had everything, all the stress, i've been through all years of torture for them to say, okay, that was for nothing. i'm gonna leave it alone and go over here and be a nobody. i don't think there is a single group in the united states that i know of that can be accurately described as white supremacist. white supremacists is presumably someone who wants to rule

over people of other races. that's a term from the history books. yeah. in terms of living in african climate, it's a lot easier way. there are different like foods falling off, the trees. yeah. black and white. you looked at the victim service. i've looked at a lot of victim service. okay. you're looking at how many male on black female rates were there, and the last 10 years, i don't know, approaching the euro. okay. okay, so like there are huge discrepancies in terms of crime. and that's our fax. but you think that they're more predisposed to being criminals. yes, africans, yes or do you think it's just what it is? i don't blame them. you don't think it's, you don't think of a product of our systemic failures and law enforcement and justice system and in the schooling system. and the fact that up until very recently,

very recently in our history where parents were alive, they weren't allowed to have the same access that way. africans, i, i think a lot of conservatives will sail africa will destroy by the welfare states. i don't really buy that. i think there was a certain, i think they were destroyed by slavery. howard immigrants affecting you right now. here in whitefish white fish is deeply segregated. do you think we need to bring in more serious? no, i don't think we need to bring in anybody, but i also don't think we need to exclude anybody if they wish to come in. right. how do you feel about that? well, i would ultimately exclude people. yeah. but i'm willing to say, i'm willing to say it, like i'm willing to defend the community. and most people, i don't know, i'm doing everything i can to protect my people and civilization. i went on a path and like you, i was passionate. i was willing to die for it. i was willing to do what it took to to, to make the vision come through a reality. i think your last, like i was for 8 years,

and i want to know what you down that path. i am the higher ideal of what the right white race can be. and i actually have a super human ideal. i'm not caught up in, you know, justice or security or comfort white people are just, they're so good in so nice. it once me, it makes me want to puke they, they, they, they really are accepting towards the other. they want to trust people. but you also need people like me who are guardians of these nice people. we live in a country that's rich by it's diverse and headed to the only way it's gonna, it's gonna become that way is if it comes down to a civil war, i think there will be a terrible fragmentation. i don't know when it's going to happen. it might happen tomorrow, it might happen in 50 years or so on, but in this thing, can't go on. what do you think you're really going to accomplish? and i've already accomplished so much like what identity is on the all right. and i mean not to be good to go, but my name are now household to raise that with me. i mean what, endo, to create

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