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you know there was no program when i left i kind of and all of us at life esther hate kind of stumbled our way through it and then we can take the lessons that we've learned from that and shrink the time frame down, so there's less was less wandering in the wilderness, so to speak. when i was in the move in the last 2 years, before i left, i was struggling with you. i want to leave. i like, pardon me, want to leave? another part has been battle with us. if i leave, i had enough to fall back on. i have that deposit. do i have nobody to go to? you know me and live around last 7 years. i have nothing and sometimes it's hard if they've got a swastika tattooed on their neck. it's hard for them, but just to say, i don't do that anymore. it's kind of a long process. it's not like you just leave it one day and you're like, well,

i'm glad that's over. i had been out of the movement before i got connected with these guys, but i was on my own and didn't talk about it and had a lot of buried shame and guilt. and then i met these guys and i saw, you know, frankly talking arnold talk, it helped me get past that barrier of feeling like i had to hide this from the world that opening up has really just taken my, my viewing process and my allusion to a whole other level really, you've got to find a way to find an affirmation that every discussion, no matter how bad it feels, it is going. you've just got to be able to acknowledge that takes guts to do that. try to help them discover the abilities that they have. this is why we don't want to foster dependency. this is why the intervention can't rely on my car is more. they go from being untrusting, hateful, spiteful, distant to begging for more interaction. another phone call. another meeting, you know, tell me poor and don't be surprised when they say that's the best conversation i've

had in a long time. that is something that's very routine that comes out of people just want to be listened to. and we're trying to teach you how to listen to them. well, we hold a mirror up so the person can see their humanity reflected back at them through our and when we treat them as human beings treat them for the suffering person that they are. and they, on the receiving end of that, they get to see that, hey there's, there is a human insights. and lastly, i think the incredible power of compassion, it was very impactful. when someone finally came along with no fear, no judge man, she heard my story, did nothing to challenge it but validated the soon as i started talking about, my mother tears came up. i just spilled my guts about everything she had done to me letting her brother rape me and my sister denying the rape half and making the school back around. how many times she she tried to kill me, broken bones, bruises the starvation, the sleep deprivation,

the humiliation making me swallow my own. my brothers and sisters watching is turning my brother against me. keep my sister away from you, like i had never had a chance to just unleash all that. and i probably went on like an hour of just the stuff she did to me. and then he says, well, i want to ask another question. sorry. have you ever done this to anyone else? just and now moment it was like i'm just like my mother me. what really changed me was receiving compassion from the people that i least deserved it from

when i least deserved that people knew who i was. it was a small town. they knew what i was capable of and what i'd been doing for years and they didn't attack me. they didn't break the windows of my star, then argue ideologically with me. they came in and they were empathetic towards me . and they treated me with compassion, despite the horrible person that i was at the time the body might offer me a job carrying in antique furniture at cherry hall in jersey mall for a weekend, 3 days 100 bucks a day. and i told him, i said i take the job, he was going to tell you, before you say yes, the guy who owns this company is due. and i said, i don't care and i've talked to him, do i want to work for his been 6 months still thing i was in the nazi chief would

fit every jewish stereotype religious right now like i don't bring them right. your you know, say i broke the marble top table and i was like, i'm so stupid. i'm so sorry. 7 bears frame me. who so i so embarrassed. i did a rate for the customer, but he spot it off of very drove me home. i was waiting for him to fire me. so actually, you know, and, but i remember only not too much on that day. and i just kept my boots on a little seat of his trunk that you couldn't really put him any further than i were . and my knees were hurting so bad because it's china on unfair. so for the whole right own swastika looks at him every day. like he doesn't know me. and i just wanted to see my boots. i knew the movement would be good for me. they dropped me

off and they were full pay me on my pay. monday i walked home and i just couldn't wait for things my feet, me back. i'm not scared wanted him. i'm done with it. i'm fluid. if it was 2 parts to getting out of a violent extremist group, the 1st part is disengagement, which is where you leave the social group. you leave the behavior you leave, but you probably still have the ideology. you've been given this nice recipe for how the world works and you take that away from somebody and then what do they have, right? they, they were looking for an analysis and you've taken away their analysis. so, you know, what's left drugs, i mean there all kinds of things that they can just sort of fall into. so you have to be very careful about it. and when you're bringing them out,

you will alert them to the risks. this isn't going to be easy and they're going to be people, they're angry that do this because they've lost someone. they've been better time and energy and we do debriefing. you know, if you're going to be on the outside, we need to know everything you know about how it works on the inside cuz you're not going back in. so we're, since we're going to burn those help you burn those bridges. so you can't go back and take everything away that was associated with that world. we take away your white laces, we take away your nazi fly because it's too easy to go back. and then the next part is de radicalization where the belief systems in the audiologist are removed. you can go to go get an anti mental from the cobra for a couple years. may get your rates at the same time. it's not that big. that's how they do it. we're like the anti event on the main because we have, we had that many in our so we not as spirit and we know how to also make it an anti mental and we had the answer. so i do believe the secret sauce is coming from a loving place. you can't hate this person and expect to communicate any of that.

you can't judge this person and expect to counter that with empathy before you got out what was what was pushing you to want to get off. i wrote jackson me, you know, before and after president, you know, most of my best friends, but it's like, ok in prison. you know, like, you know how you have to be. so you tend to be it. and after a while, before you realize it in a scary is you actually become that image. you were just training. i had myself every day for getting myself locked up. so i looked at it, what made anybody else more special than me? so i have so far does, where does that shift come from? how come in one day you went from? not thinking about that to really saying i need to start making some changes is watch, see, watching my son grew up and was harbinger and every time watching the family, you know, saying live on the, on the family because i can be out there. the brothers didn't like that when they

found ways because they could just let me know they do, said they, you know, try to kill me is why now i get shot. go all through. and i'm, you know, i'm going to come to his car breaks or breaks. and i remember slicing his child's car. he's like i said, yes, he says good, you need to is mad a lot across. and then we inside my school and open this up. i'm trying to get out and just to get out if there's one thing, then someone stuck and someone in that life who may not be aware that there's a way out just saying they go all the have that hey,

ruins, use a poisonous very so me and i was going to lot of human nature since really during the summer in 2016, we started to see a significant consistent increase in the number of incidents reported to our office . we saw between 20152016. the number of anti muslim hate groups tripled. tonight the f b, i walking into whether have crime charges will be filed against him, alleged white supremacists, accused of stabbing to good samaritans to death on a commuter train. in portland. the guy who did that was someone who had been in the fringes of the all right, movement america, re, this country are great on their page so that we hear that all the time go back to where you came from. and he just amped up that rhetoric that he wants to take his

country back. and so that's, that's the theme that runs through that. and we're not going to let people come into our country. it's troy. i saw this guy running for president doing the exact same thing and i couldn't believe that i was hearing it, but i knew that it would work. and that was the frightening thing because i've seen it work on klan rally and stone mountain georgia. i saw that kind of rhetoric where people are yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. what do we do about their culture? i don't want to know about their culture in your body. you could just don't know why don't assume much, much because the bucket of gasoline was kicked over and lit up. all those little sparks that already existed into a large forest fire. part of donald trump's. huge appeal was that, although he does not think in terms of race, the way i do,

he at least thinks in terms of nation, he recognized that the united states is a nation with a particular people. and that not everybody belongs. this is a great, a leave. 2 millions of white people who have seen their nation transformed the name of diversity. diversity that always comes at the expense of white people. he spoke to some, you know, some of the things that, that angry white male wants to hear. we're gonna put a wall on the border. we're going to make the mexicans pay ford. we're going to bring manufacturing jobs back as a kind of populous messaged white males, combined with racism that was found to be very attractive and everyone's premises like that idea as well. there's not thousands, tens of thousands. there's hundreds of thousands of them that have an intellectual curiosity and i'm not understanding of national socialism that from skin had ever had. there was a price you paid if you were a public with you or being a tree or anti semitism. you didn't serve you well in your career,

your friends in your neighborhood, really burnt, excited to hang out with. your kids might be embarrassed of you. your parents would be really upsetting you. and people learned that those attitudes were not going to be beneficial to their life. i think what we're concerned about now is that blanket in that we put over it is being pulled back. that it's going to be really hard to put that back where it was with ah ah, ah ah

ah, ah ah, there was a state of emergency in florida. it's a white nationalist, was about to take stage in the free. our day university of florida is bracing for potential violence today of a speech by white nationalists later richard spencer, who's the protesters gathering out. so i just signed up with my son yesterday, but i would say that back to the all right. and read the notion that they really were the way to find

a stage spencer trying to do the noise for the kids that you wrote and you know, with

that stuff. so, you know, i always check who's with this guy is grad going to get killed that here. so my, i got, i got this guy color this, hey, people who say, oh is all love we hey, hey, hey, hey, please love these same people. sad happens a mess with what i post randy. you know, i came home. i don't want to talk to you, you know, understand you. he was cool. no problem the whole time. we couldn't really have a discussion because these camera, you know, you people, question,

i don't get tell me what was it was go find more of a sudden, you know, i don't know if i'm talking to me like really and i guess our intimate setting was force known as we were both keep out. so we encountered some police officers, they were treating randy how they would treat me on a regular day, you know, just awful what they perceived by his, our parents and in the end of one arrest is yeah, i right, this measure got beat on spin. are usually the sped on the back. is it usually his mouth, but what is he doing wrong? why you haven't been, sit on a ground, do this type of stuff. so we actually started walking and talking and we find out we have things in common. you know, i some his views about certain bay. it was certain i'm agreeing on both. yeah. he was telling me he got involved in his teenage years in the area nation. and that's just how a lot of my friends, the different people get involved and obliged to cripps in different games they join around you. so what i was around you and your friends may be involved or

whatever. 6 happens you're my say is going to be on that. so for me, i just saw the similarities of what my culture would deal with just in a little different way. there's no, there's nothing new up on it. a son. he was just a different route. they angry, white man, angry, black men, 2 different the angry black man is angry because he has no home, has no vision, no way to provide angry white people, especially in a low income cause they have so many mental role models that you can just turn on the tv and see success. i mean, now i would be proud to have down at the bottom with black people and they've got a reason to be you know, i'm white. what am i know? is it easy to see the thing around? and you know, you know, when you're talking to you, you know, what, better way to focus at anger that these people different color. i say that

white man angry because he doesn't really understand what question. and i know that america, he doesn't even say i got the way out for the blessed waiting to hear the back . i mean, everybody. that's why it in america has benefited. give me answer that color or suppose they miss or miss. busy right now. giving me or help me, i got somebody to understand that just massive me what my culture as a whole and look it differently just because of my individual encounter every weakness and 23 times a week that is least due to time phone calls, you know, hours of phone calls, you know, we thought was ours. mm.

i mean, when you think about what you've done, just in the last month, the turn around the correction, the what you've abandoned and what you would opted it's most people can't even lose the 10 pounds. they want to lose much less make an entire mental, emotional lifestyle, change humanize town, which allowed them to humanize your like that, that's not rocket science, but yeah, it's, it's evading. the majority of the country right now, there's a lot, i could, i could never look at anybody and eric eric umbrella who had a nation. anybody who got a lot of on the same lack of i got free and that was part of his narrative and changes his narrative. not that we agree with anything that comes out of the far right is that we don't ever forget that there are people inside of those people. but you know that there's a human being inside of this person, right. and we just choose not to forget that

you don't really see x not feeling bad, you know, have a lot of dialogue as we do. but i mean, i can consider him a friend. i was glad and i could have that effect on randy to open his eyes up to see then you know something a c whatever may have been introduced to him or told him was proven to be a last day in madison. but i think we often think about this and terms of the ways in which they are failing us. they are a bad man. they are floating away from us. they are deviant. and i think we need to ask the other question. also,

we need to ask the question and how we are failing them. what kind of ways can we keep them in the center? and part of my answer to that is we have to find ways to keep them validated as men . it's really amazing. when people feel more whole quickly and easily the ideology of hate falls away. and if you can reconnect them to the people that they thought they hated, helps know that i'm them. these are that they realize that they're actually a part of the solution rather than contributing to the problem. the 1st time i've ever, michelle accepted any shape form from anybody is actually with y after have another p 5 managers. recently i feel as if those grades, so i want everybody to know that human being year instead of like i miss you. but i have person to be able to have different cultures and different people here.

it really is good to be able to close this to be able to interact because it teaches me that, you know, we're all in this together. this is a part of our emotion. farmers are, are evolving into a powerful force. man, good justice, quality, love, peace, compassion. we are operating as human beings from one of 2 places. here are, let me get to choose which one that is still happening in the days following and happened. such a turn out and theme that i'm going to support for countering that narrative of white supremacy. it really flooded me with hope. i am proud that i can be a voice against what i used stamps or i feel like i have

i have something to bring to the team and run the bigger and better things. while i'm still mindful of what i owe to society. but no one's better served by my guilt or shame at this point, including me. ready me i fired was i turned in a r, christine and a glock at this time said one suspect strong about molly and you need to die. we're still communicating with him and he's got a automated web running radio. okay.

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