[000:00:00;00] ah, ah hello and welcome to cross stock where all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle, writing for the pages of the new york times. joe biden says he does not want a nato russia war in the same article. he was unclear how the conflict in ukraine should end negotiations, do not appear to be a high priority. in the meantime, the e. you agree to a 6th round of sanctions, all the while ukraine is losing on the battlefield. cross sucking the threat of escalation. i'm joined by my guess, charles or tell in new york. he is an invested rider,

as well as host of sunday with charles podcast in north florida. we have tom longo . he is a pot. he is publisher of gold, goats and guns, blog and newsletter. and in paris were casa pepe escobar. he's an independent jew political analyst, the author specializing in eurasia high. gentleman cross sack rose. in fact, that means you can jump any time you want, and i would appreciate a pepe. let me go to you 1st. i mentioned the president united states a my introduction or what i gleaned from it. i didn't make it to make a whole lot of sense to me. i don't know who wrote it for him. it looked like a group of, of a low octane lawyers that wrote it because very legalistic was very, it was very legalistic right. but he said here at least the article, we're not encouraging or enabling ukraine to strike beyond its borders. we do not want to prolong the war just to inflict pain on russia, but everything this administration is do has done and everything. the european union has done and nato is exactly what he said he wants to avoid pepe. well 1st of all,

there is no president of the united states. we have what i call crash test dummy. we have a near piece teleprompter and the combo behind them, issuing orders that he may or may not be able to read. and certainly not able to interpret that what his reading don't forget until this new york times off at peace. the, the main idea was an infinite war, like a replay of the 1980 s jihad in afghanistan. but now we know now to emerge scenarios or new knowledge is already encrusted in the system. lasting years, if not beckett's, to boggle down. russia and in the words of lloyd rate, the on austin, we commit. and now, no, not anymore. we know we, we want to stay on mate and diplomacy, which was exactly what they were having diplomacy until a few weeks ago in this the book when i was just a few weeks ago that famous meeting organized by eric again,

even sort of gave up rob was saying ops, now we have some agreement with the ukranian, so let's get the ball rolling. the next day it was and of any problems. so now it's back to diplomacy and stay away. you cannot have a stay when you're losing badly. as you mentioned, your introductory yes and in don't boss. this is going to happen. maybe until the end of this month of june, it will be over in the boss or max mid july. so diplomacy would be a desperate measure from an administration that is being contested inside us, according to our latest information by the real masters of the universe. the guys re pulled the lever, so the east coast restock or c, and some cielo inside the jeep state. they are not part of the new york on. when he started imperialist combo. so obvious, this administration knows they are on a bind,

knows that they are going to lose badly in the terms. they are desperate because most americans, now they're saying you're a bunch of incorporate the fools inflation a gallon of gas in california for 8 books. you know, the interesting thing for me, if i go to charles here right now is that, you know, you know, as well as i do, very rarely is foreign policy par on the agenda in any election. ok, it's sometimes been very, very rarely. and if the bide ministration thinks they can use ukraine and democracy in ukraine, there are fools. okay. because if at the same time you have this problem with baby formula and then up to $53000000000.00 being sent to ukraine, when it's obvious, when you craning officials themselves admit they are doing very badly on the battlefield. go ahead charles. i mean this, this is an administration 17 months and that has proven beyond doubt that it is led by fools,

yet barely led by fools at every important post in the executive branch of government . then you turn over to the legislative branch. that's a disaster is politicize the courts and the people who are, who are doing well out of all this, as you say, are the people behind the scenes who profit from volatility. people like george soros, other sophisticated investors, the people they pay off will get paid off as result of their activities. the people who are really in terrific shape or in the inner cities. the very constituents that the left, the oppressors claim to represent are the ones who are being butchered in the streets with savage violence who are out of hope of get of paying, you know, for their daily cost of living, given this raging inflation. and it's not just 8 percent, it's a lot higher than our educational system is succeeding in turning for kids who ought to have hope for the future into walkers who have little clue of

understanding what's really going on in the world. there are mere ponds, in this effort to, i think, destroy what we know, what we used to know as united states of america, and who benefits from all this. i don't think russia benefits from all this. i suspect it's china. and are we going to have a serious inquiry into how china has paid off the by the family in other leading politicians, including mich mccollugh, we ever going to have a serious investigation of that? well, i mean, charlie, tara, maybe on the upside. is that what it took like 15 months to for them to recognize that that hunter, my laptop was real. so maybe there is hope here somewhere. ok, let me, let me go to tom. tom, you know, this all this bluster that's going on must not, when you grade must not lose. i mean, that is not a very articulate way of looking at geo politics. okay. because really, what do they end up looking like a group of clowns and it's already been pointed out. they are and, and we can go all, you know, lives trust, you know, bo, joe. i mean,

we don't even have to count joe joe biden blinkin victoria newland over for the last 2 is unfinished business. but that's not good for the country. it's not good for europe, it's not good for ukraine and certainly not good for russia. go ahead. no, no, no, it's not good for anybody. actually, this is the thing that i think everybody needs to wrap their head around the, by the ministration or an incompetent. they know exactly what they're doing, they're vandals, and they're not letting any crisis go away. i think this is a very dangerous situation that we have where we have a i agree with have a we don't have a president elect where he was selected to destroy the unites. it's also carlson's point as well. and once we start to wrap our head around the idea that that's what's going on here. then all of their policy makes sense, like the destruction of the middle class in europe and the united states hip are, are clear here, the idea that we're going to fight russia in a proxy war in ukraine is being done in order to,

in the long run to undermine the idea that the american military can actually fight a real war. right. there's, there's a, there's a much deeper, i think agenda happening here. that is, i think, very, very, very dangerous. which is the wholesale undermining of the legitimacy of the united states as any kind of political, rational, political, or, or a geopolitical actor. and, you know, and, and the brits are happily, you know, pushing us along into this a, it has this nightmare and it's, it's just, it's crazy to watch it play out. and the sad truth is that by doing this, we, that we picked this warren ukraine, and now we're angry with the russians with the way that there are prosecuting which is to not have given, ah, ukraine, the war that, that, that we prep them for, which was an air war and there julian or chill, retrench, we haven't talked to tom or amy with him about it's, it's really interesting that the, i hear all of the, you know, that the quote smart people, the grown ups, you know,

talk about how this can be settled but those ideas were before the conflict started and the west was completely indifferent. do it. okay, a peppy, you know, one of the, that there's this issue of escalation here, and i remember very clearly. so do you, i did programs all through december, january and february on it is what the russian said that they were willing to do what they weren't listen to. and now they're saying it again about these new missile systems. i mean, are they so tone deaf in washington in london? because this is where this is coming from. you know, they're a warning has come and they're there pretending. no, no. it's like it's not real. he's bluffing. what kind? this is dangerous behavior pepe it is extremely dangerous and their inability to okay, they never read levy's tours, but that will be too, too high brow for these people. but at least trying to understand the other very, very simple terms, philosophical terms, they can't, they are completely insulated. the lee from the bubble and dialogue in terms of

international relations and diplomacy that sanctions, by definition, are a hysterical reaction for a political problem. they don't qualify as diplomacy at all, not even as a means of fresh look at sanctions did with cuba in iran, cuba and he'd run, learn how to live with sanctions, just like russia learn how to live with sanctions for the past 8 years. i think something that's up for our american audience in a mind through luck it says yourself, everybody else's. you have no idea if you are in the states, how much worse is the norm dialogue situation here in europe? yeah, i've never seen anything like that in my life time. i've lived in at least 5 different european nations for the past 4050 years since i was a teenager in fact. and if you want to have a high level conversation about the nato, russia war and the influence of united states on what's happening,

ukraine with academics and so called strategic analysts. you're in france, you need to any german, it's absolutely right. so be, let me jump in here, let me go to charles before we go to the breaker. peppy brings up a really interesting point, because if you just said from the, the normative narrative, you are really, really gone after i be 17 years of my work. it was deleted on youtube. ok. they are terrified of information, not just information. go ahead before we go to the break. sure. i mean, it's worth a little bit ironic in, in america, the people who are leading this charge cut their teeth in the sixty's. many of them were hippies begging for the mainstream establishment to give them a chance to have their ideas heard. they get begin power. what do they do? they crush anybody who might criticize with the disinformation governance board being one attempt. and i suspect that attempt began long before nina jack, what's got roth and is continuing during this broadcast and we'll excel right after

. yes. and they will is that i want to reiterate. they're there, they're not going out there, not of fighting disinformation misinformation. they don't want people to speak speak truth to power. that's what this is all about here, right? gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on the thread of escalation o needs to come to the russian state. will never be as tight as on the northland scheme div. asking him no, i'm not getting calls. i'll send, send up for a coup in the 55 when. okay,

so mine is too bad. will speed anyone else with will ban in the european union? the kremlin community up machine. the state aren't russia for date and split our t spoke neck. even our video agency, roughly all band to on youtube with me. ah, well, john middle alex, she's jesse columbia left him a little bit lower, but i just want to thank her lego, that it's all young. real name is logical. who's a lot of college grew up in virginia for each. yeah,

it is with did you feel okay, that makes you got this nice fortune with the bush and below that season? now she did the wave of the for revealing autism versus, you know, is there those are so with that i don't, i don't bus is going by 1st and deal this would not have happened if nato vida didn't push this agenda. this war was that because i'm here this week or so on. the start a new to what about a naughty expedited with loyal nothing more with his is put his okay to film. just bear with was checking

with ah welcome back. across stock were all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing the threat of escalation. ah, let's go back to tom. i tom. one of the things that i find very, very peculiar during all of this, is that we all know in this program that the middle class working middle class and working class people over the last 40 years have been just bludgeoned. i mean, terribly. so i'm by this neo liberal ideology, where it is

a unit party mom benefits from it. but, you know, this is destroying working people in their hopes for the future on steroids right now, because as peppy and i have talked about it earlier, ah, you know, inflation is something that, you know, with somebody else's problem, who is in the global south that with the people that don't know how to run things, and now we're seeing a galloping, and that is very, very serious for working people all across the western world. you have to use your car, you need energy, and that is being sacrificed right now. they're crating social tensions that i don't think they have a clue on how to handle. go ahead tom. i would agree with you completely. peter, actually been writing about this for a long time saying that i, i believe when i called dr. shrier, i really do believe that we're, we're dealing with that in that kind of intellectually bankrupt classes. oligarch said just man davos. are the ones driving so much at this? and they really do believe that it, they have to tear the world down in order to rebuild it. and, you know,

every good i, they'd say it every good communist takeover starts with a toilet paper shortage. right? so they, they're, they're doing this all across the west, especially in, in, in, in europe and to a lesser extent, the united states. i believe that it's going to be a hold miss. we still have some vestiges of a decentralized governmental system here. we still have places like where i live in florida, where we have a strong se government that can resist the federal government. but it's, it is gutting to every body across the, the middle class. but this is their goal. this is their stated goal. they've made made of bones about it, so they're just running there. so that's how i tom, it's very scary. tell it to it is very scary here and do you, i mean, has anybody checked it? maybe i missed something, but as anybody checked in in europe and in the united states that they want to see their life's, their lifestyle. um and they sent her to living to, to decrease because of ukraine. has anybody been asked that peppy, why don't you answer that? is, anyone is, is it, is it worth it is a sacrifice?

because it's sacrifices are being made by poor people, including ukrainians, including russians, including the global south. you're absolutely right, speaker, and that this is something that so it's a kind of conversation that's along these lines. you can have them in a cafe hearing, paris, who's issuing the orders. and everybody more or less knows that there are not the capitals of europe and national government. governments in europe and commission, brussels via food are also vulnerable logan, as i call him, logan press the in german. she's not on that line and grant that he was or grin betty, it was a nice wasn't one going to look at. so this is very, very serious because in terms of real non democracy, they are one step ahead already and the average citizen in not so much in germany. but i would say here in italy, in spain and greece,

they know exactly what's going on. and it's all about brussels, sha, michelle, this is ro, correct. jim got elected people qu briefly disconnected from real life and specially real life by average european synthesis. i'm not even talking about eastern europe, which from the point of view of loan, the barriers in rome is in the middle of nowhere. i'm talking about paris about geneva, about milan know about room. what about barcelona, where people are feeling the pinch and they know that who we speaking these decisions to fight still the last they will mass ukrainian over there. and you'll have to 3rd off hot water and fries in winter so you can defend democracy. this come straight from brussels. yeah, i mean, you know, the, i don't refer to ms. chancellor shields. i referred to him is sergeant schultz on this program. ok. because that's essentially what he is. he takes orders. ok. i mean, you know, can, if you look at the entire lineage of chancellor, since the 2nd world war,

this is it in barest meant ok. a real embarrassment. charles, the nazis had been mentioned a couple of times on this program. i'm really think it's important to talk more about it. the department of homeland security is quote, unquote, concerned over nazis. returning to the u. s. after fighting in ukraine. well, i mean why we sending money to ukraine there, but you're not see there. i mean, this is completely inexplicable to me here and it, it, i have to give a call out to the gray zone. they've had some wonderful articles on here. but you know, it's in plain sight if you want to know something about this. but no, it's not. it's another example of always citing with the worst elements of another country. go ahead charles. it's disgraceful. i mean, you don't even need to bring up the open southern border. we're so concerned about people streaming back. maybe we should close our southern border at tense, the cost of sending all the money over to you. great. beyond that though, i think in the united states,

i went to decent schools and we never really studied it back in the seventy's and eighty's. at least i did the, the, the ukraine or the constituent elements of the soviet states. and we certainly don't have a clear education over here in my view as to what really happened because the end of world war 2 in europe, which nation bore the heaviest price. and i think it was the former soviet union in terms of dead and, and gravely injured it, economic damage and all that. and why now, 75 years or 77 years later, why does the united states still need to have all these military bases in western europe, which do post threats to russia? in states that are very rich now, when, why, why are we doing? why does it make sense for americans, sons and daughters to put our lives at risk in these flashpoints 77 years later, this is going to be the case. so a 170 years. when i turn charles for me it's,

it's this the griffin. it's just a grift. ok, it, it is. do you know it keep nato in lloyd with nice budgets and i mean, nato is really a propaganda operation. it's not even a military alliance. i mean, it's the united states. the french can throw a little bit in the british, can throw a little bit in and turkey, and nobody trusts the turks. okay. the rest of it is a propaganda machine. ok. and that's which really, it is difficult to explain to the public here because we're, you know, there's a military conflict going on in ukraine and in western europe as they destroy their own lifestyle and economies. it's a propaganda war. this is the, is that the asymmetrical in every single way in tom. one of the things, one of the most important issues that is always discussed here is energy, energy and energy. ok. and the europeans are doing everything they had to get away from russian energy, which is fine with the russians because the rest of the world wants it. these people are foolish. ok. but the caveat is, europe's great friend, america is going to cash in on it. okay. that's what you america does to it's

friends. ok, it's nato allies. ok, destroy their economy and make sure they're not competitive in the way i look at it as having had gemini over europe. well, it's a pirate victory for the us because it's a worthless the asset at the end of the day. go ahead. tom was full. it's funny. you saw the, i just saw some recent headlines to this fact that i'm, that we're, we're shipping, we're exporting more oil and more natural gas to europe than we have the forum we're looking ever have before, and our prices here in the united states are off the charts, so all that's happening here is that we're seeing, you know, everybody suffer, i guess not just europe. europe is getting more expensive energy from the united states. and americans domestically are paying more for energy because the marginal flows that we, that would normally go to, to fill our refineries. and so our pipe ones aren't, aren't, aren't there. they're all going. they're all going in the export by 10 years. you know, ology terminal down in louisiana and shipped over to the, to,

to finland and germany and the rest and poland. and it's insane. so everybody is losing peer. and again, i reiterate this point, this is done on purpose. the goal is clear from these people, they want to take the world off of hydrocarbons and their think that at the same time they can then also split russia off from opec bigger safe. i guess they believe that the, that the arab states are so dom is to not realize that these people are hostile hydrocarbons and that, you know, gold gladly take up the slack of the market share. like you got synagogue. opec is refusing to, to, to, to back down here and even take biden's phone calls. and i, i watched this play out on my, i mean, i know you guys are vandals, but at least could you be competent at it. i mean, i mean, i can do this better. i'm not, i would, but i mean, they're not just vandals, they're in comp, they, i guess they're incompetent babbles. it's even, well, i mean, i mean to unbelievable but tom and we go to pepe right now. at the end of the day.

they believe that they know every decision they make doesn't affect them personally . ok, i mean all these people making the decisions in europe in the u. s. do you think they even know what a leader of gasoline costs? i doubt it. i doubt it. you know, i mean, when to last, i may been in a grocery store, their food is brought to them. i mean that they have no idea of willie what they're doing and it's all ideology. i agree with, with tom saying, this is, this is, is intentional, but it's, it being done intentionally by incompetence. go ahead, pepe yes, incompetence and also by design i don't come raised the very important points. it is by design and implemented by it beyond the incompetent. so absolutely appalling to, in terms of not a non leadership politically and julie economist to deal with the billing the son j comics at all. they don't understand eurasia, none of, if you have a conversation with people behind these governments in england here in germany, any nearly as, as well at my academic friends who know. busy about eurasia, who travel back and forth, all this,

if the have absolutely no clue what's really going on in russia, china, in just because that's done, but you stun 30 iran, etc. and there are some very that this was the things that i do it in my job. i track these movements, it's slowly, but surely they are getting their act together. for instance, try to explain in brussels, that the razor comic union is working on alternative monetary economic system. we have no clue about that. try to explain to them that india and russia and russia in the run are 3 the more and more by electric, within their own currencies. and they are planning to interact their payment systems as well. for instance, the russians are going to do this with the iranians. they couldn't do it yet with the chinese because you know, pay is afraid of american sanctions. yeah. so and chinese banks are absolutely

desperate of being caught in the sanctions made. but try to have this conversation here at high levels of power with the national governments in europe is absolutely impossible because they are also hostages of brussels. yes, but in peppy, they also think that the world still revolves around what's really extraordinary. now, i mean, we really are rapidly changing so fast and they, we like, they still think that they're at the center of everything that everybody's thinking about them. know they're becoming a realm then because they're making themselves irrelevant. and they're certainly not serious people. that's why the global south, you want to fight over you great, buy. we don't want to get in ball. you made that problem. you fix it. that's their attitude. i gentlemen, this was a wonderful pleasure, both conversation, but we have run out of time on i think my get to new york, florida and in paris. i want to thank our viewers for watching us here. are to see you next time. remember cross lock

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ah ah, you have amidst russian allied forces have taken the city of civil done yet little guns republic, saying ukrainian troops have little chance of reclaiming the city. meanwhile, the us encourages you to ditch russian oil. president biden appears to backtrack on his own pledge 1000000, buying the fuel. it's a cheaper price. and china and russia pledge to join efforts to tackle global challenges and promote a multi polar well with the international mon is peter scott bringing you the news from our moscow headquarters this friday morning? and we started this out with the latest on the war in ukraine. by russia's