rock and now you see stage is looking to play mothers work was working. you start looking at lower middle class, especially white americans. they are on the by margaret, on one side. they are, you know, me charge that there's a problem society and the other hand, they see that they're not increase the last 40 years, i mean, going sideways. meanwhile, you know, people on wall street are making more money to add to rich men in the united states. well, is greater than the entire nation. so when you start looking at what's happening within us, it provided, but that division has now shred. you mentioned the number of historical people starting with the 2nd world war. and perhaps even before that, then, you know, they won't have to have seen many challenges over the last century. and yet i've heard you recently say that this could be one of the worse patches for humanity to

go through in over a 100 years. that's a pretty dramatic assessment. what made you reaches well, is this what i was, meaning that you have political, once or concert, as along with us, changing the global, retreating from them. you know, i think you have an economic transportation transformation where literally going through a paradigm shift and it's not going very well. china is rising economically where jewelry and digital revolution, it's really going to have as much as an industrial revolution. i mean, we started thinking about the number of people who are going to this place. it will be truck drivers, drivers, ash, cruise ships,

things become more economist why, because that's why these things happen to people that. busy we know, economically, my house is in logic and it goes through today with the amount of money that orient because they have a stable government in russia when russia said, okay, you want well payable, right back up now, so strong, weaker. so you know, they're only kind of constantly going on the, all the logic, all the ideas that were in the past. i no longer ballot. there's a lot of change in racing that changes being very difficult or power. it's like a shock. i ask you something on the issue of russia just to narrow it

a little bit because you're already paying to get a very broad and pretty complex picture for our audience. but if you look at the many of the western media, you'll get an idea that the current confrontation between russia and the west over your brain is one of the major reasons. if not the major reason for things falling apart. i think your partially answered my question, but i'm going to ask it anyway to give you an opportunity to perhaps to elaborate on that. is it indeed the fact that the russian action into your brain, saturday scales in motion or was this, were those the balancing ukraine in themselves? the consequence of something that was people, i don't know if you, if you look at a seasons safety since they all said that any action ukraine would bring more with this is kitchen here.

this is we are safe. there is no, never any question. no one's not, not true or anything like that. so nato expansion is calculated to create a reaction. it is actually not, excuse me, i'm not in paper was neither am i right away and i don't think there are the issue is if i back you order a new start coming out clean and other people get hurt. i can't say we did one thing. i mean, you asked me a couple pushing russia into the situation with that was not, excuse me, back, but you know, and unfortunately, you know, after iraq which strategy where they use profit, want to use other country like their war to weaken enemy. i was concerned about

this one crane was shot interlining with your a k i n grain so really dangerous when countries to use other countries as proc me, call it kind of your estimation. it's probably not possible probable chart to see that already. now mr. chang, and in another interview, you're also called the situation ukraine. a boy that was deliberately created for p r purposes. and that caught my attention because it's hard to imagine what kind of p r. results would justify know the only the amount of suffering and loss, the ukrainians, and the russians are going through, but also the ripple effect throughout the world. that base price it is having and countries that have absolutely nothing to do with either russia, ukraine or the united states for that reason. well, i mean,

i'm not getting back. i'm not a favor of american inception exception. the idea that you asked him to do whether you ever necessary to bring the world into a state of democracy that america likes free markets, legal values, but the proxy that is the us trying to push the world working world direction. but it's using everything that everyone else is doing. i mean, starting war, that's not liberal, it's working countries to changing regime that has nothing to do with moxie open markets or except the market itself is not dominated by in all its major industries. my 2 or 3 players who are pursuing their own economic agenda ethics,

their people, us is in this odd situation where it's failing at home. but rather than the front that what they're doing lately. others. busy so when you start talking about ukraine, you have a situation in the us wants to minimize a country that it does not thing which part of the national water in the way it was already know how many regime change. yeah, we want to get little, i think russia, the country that has more nuclear weapons than anybody else. what happens if you could stabilize it? it seems we madness. yes, it's out there and why? the u. s. is trying to prove that it's like when everyone else is wrong, despite the fact that can lead by example. now you mentioned the so called international order. and one of the things i said, hearing here in the russia,

is that russia actions in ukraine as hard to explain and hard to justify as they are. i may have been based not on some historical grievances on, not even on the threat perception, but rather on the cold blooded objective calculation of where the world is moving. how'd the balance of power in the world is shifting and the conclusion that even if the worst case scenario materialize this and all ties with the west that caught the thrush, can survive and accomplish its development goal goals by associating itself more closely with known west than by doing that, you know, sort of strengthening this multi polar world that it wants to see. or what do you think about that? do you think that se utopian ideology thing that has some kernel of truth to? okay. so let's look at a couple of issues. you know,

president who laid out very clearly and it's just hearing snitch russia had said, i mean we've spoken german at the end of the law. so looking forward to europe, new home, and that i clearly identified russian senior man, your ration and then 7 years later he gets up and he says, you have like us to expand into areas. you said you would not, you will not allow us to have a home to we are therefore no choice with the try to destroy the international order that you created. that is a nation, a rush. he expresses no one. ready be surprised that you know russia. yeah, we do not like this international lead ordered by us,

but you goes along with not fair other countries. there is a multicultural and that can be clearly illustrated by what's been happening on its own way. mexico, on its way. right. you know, i mean, quite clearly things have shifted in that direction now. well, how, shaking the world economy arrives. how this is lives from this? unfortunately, i, you know, it could be from the ash because right now we're talking about shortage power shortage. and these are going to affect countries talking about middle east africa. these are countries in countries where with all the food at the prices that they're going to be, they do not have the wherewithal power. without food, you cannot live without energy. you cannot run your economy,

and without your economy, you cannot pay your international. so this is why i haven't very, really outlook on the situation. now. what is the u. s. i all will power should be doing it. recognizing that this is the critical issue. this is about the survival of the human race. well, mister turner, we are also at a very critical point in our conversation because we need to take a break now, but we will be back in just a few moments. they are, for me i what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy foundation, let it be an arms race is on often very dramatic development. only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful at the very

critical time. time to sit down and talk me the question of not being clear, but he was not going a do you live muscles? do you look on the initial be? well, the club masika had you lou post on zillow while diaz can used to put value a new one who did origin, but he also still listed on the zone. if you're new with what i see these teeny bosses know group you lation says diesel it on

both. ah, i welcome back to one of the boys with a senior fellow at they tie her institute, mr. king. and before the break, we were talking about the bit ripple, a fact that the, your cranium of crisis is causing around. well then obviously the russia is bearing a lot of pain. be most pain from it because of the western attempts to cut it off completely from the rest of the global economy. and as challenging as it is both for the russian government and for the russian people. i'm hearing a paradoxical idea here in moscow that you know, this amount of can amik and that geopolitical suffering right now may actually

inoculate russia against greater please. if you years down the line of when the western lat, western center, it says system will disintegrate. even further, now, always russia hasn't choice at this point of time, but do you think other countries may also think about it about perhaps lowering died dependence on the west or you know, trying to well established our own self sufficiency and survival ability. in the case, similar sanctions are applies to them or i fax them for no reason of their own making. well, yeah, i mean, one of the major issues that people haven't really talked about in russia is able to survive this. this will be another example how the world is truly like polar and not the us and you know, everybody. and if you don't go along, i mean,

it looks like history a change in your years in iran, venezuela, you launch anyone? happy changing the case. in right now, how, how russia deals are the news going to be very, very important about whether in the movement towards not only a multi whole one in which economic activities market and production are increasingly moving. as is rush, my not, not by choice. so in terms of how we, how russia do that, a lot of it depends. one of the things that most of us, as we talked about with us, was saying that we crush your economy li, bye dollars. and therefore, your precious paper are well in las very well,

it's actually above where it was. so, i mean, at this juncture, there's a certain independence. so when you start looking at your integration, you're seeing less of american info, and that is going to be traumatic. don't want to celebrate that us. why percent of the people, julian, 20 percent of the world. that demand goes away, it will be additional hardships. so right now, yes, russia is very well place because it has energy who may not have all the extra luxuries. there might be problems getting parts of things. but eventually the supply lines will be filled up media from brazil, from china, host. right now the international class tries to make it mean that it is the only one who know we're not on line in this situation,

but the fact is majority in the world, not only one, but also population. that is actually will not interest war that will take us if that is attractive, mister. turn in the makeup of this new world order to certificate acceptable depend on what kind of relationship the countries will pursue. and i think the example of russia and china over the last couple of decades is quite instructive here because both capital, like decide their relationship as the, as a model for other countries. they see di, 5, they the way they're structured as the, as a container within which immediate challenges, hardships, competing interest will be held. i've heard both the russians and chinese, the just the, that's who'd be a good model to proceed. you agree with that? do you think it could be extrapolated other countries?

do you ultimately think that your politics have reached the point where various countries can put the strategic shares, concerns above needed one side of gain? i think it depends on the country and their situation. i mean, i do a lot of work on the unique i was very well educated in spokesperson, who in ministry was talking about high ideal democracy, about liberalism, all of these things that the next moment part is answer was all about what's in their career. so you either have these ideals and you try to follow them or you just say every now, this is really the danger of marketing international or that whole world. people start to fashion, they just say, well, with every,

every country for themselves. and i do think that nations like russia, china, initially us in europe as major players, is leaders, have to lead my example. and that means less wars, less selling of arms like that. and i don't mean just us. i mean, across the board. i don't know how it gone, has made life better for anybody. you look in the united states right now. the problem is we don't have enough. i would say the problem was we have to, you mentioned the couple of individuals who have benefit from it. maybe it's about them at the end of the day. yeah, well, right now, i mean, europe is awake, the us positioning the bread fashion of europe and also the energy supplier. and that is not something that everybody you're comfortable with because they're very aware that the u. s has course, whenever

a lot was necessary for the united states on other countries and i'm talking about the tariffs now where we are only one election away from going right back to where donald trump was. all right, and then you can after him, you can have another flip flop. how do you run of a world country when you're constantly flip flopping back between medical ideas and you know, it's just, it's just not possible. and this will be undoing united in ability to plan, provide a predictable future business on it. you know, people have to know that they can plan if they can't do that. there's no way for lation. it matches some 7 percent of people in the united states feel that the buyer is going to lose the house and probably the senate when that happens, you haven't workable government. and as he just mentioned,

the inflation is a problem, not only for the united states, but very much for the rest of the world. and i think this is also what makes our seemingly abstract apps or discussion much less abstract because this lofty concepts like well the order has a direct impact on the prize of a loaf of bread in the local supermarket. then many people around the world, they seeing it right now, but that wasn't today case, it wasn't the case even a decade ago, the united states was able to conduct many wars without its population ever filling effective. what do you think has changed in the world to bring that home to make the americans fill the pinch of the actions that their government is initiating on their behalf? well, we did feel a pain, i mean not dennis downwards. and the last failure we've been playing

wars, there's no strategy to win. an ability to lose roll. and joe never knew about it. i mean, he may have gotten some news on his life. wasn't about it because he was being financed when i was 4 trillion dollars between the war. you don't notice it because you don't pay that government. but right now the u. s. situation where it's overloaded with data, especially because more than that, and they're not in the position where they can even have them drastic change in monetary policy. in order to hear that you have the fed, which is pushing the country into a recession, if not, depression, doesn't meet up in their mind at any mission to we inflate the economy after you know, the worst was back is raising rates at the fed level is great,

tertiary economy, jobs, the amount of the national, et cetera, but it does not make one local read and it does not create one barrel of oil, then those are our chronic shorter hughes because my current situation and also situation ukraine. they don't understand that. and this is what is really bothersome when you have really smart people who are doing really dumb things and it just feel, well, i think the question is still open, how smart they are. and i think that that brings us to these long discussion about . 1 what constitutes good governors, because from the chinese perspective, what is and effective governance is a craving some basic conditions for, you know, good, productive human life and development. rather than feeding people are some on ideological

ideas of why freedom is it, is more beneficial than the so called the talker. see, the americans are still framing or their politics in the, in this way of freedom versus, or liberty versus a talker. so do you think that's, that's an effective narrative in this day in age? do you think the other countries by the modern united states, i mean you have people on the opposite sides of the fence literally willing to engage in a civil war. that's what we had with the small people who literally wanted to tear down society area. many of the people were in the armed forces. they are in the police now contact heart medicine america. so yeah, you know, nice idea that you know, everything is solved by a valid law, free market, and free speech. it doesn't work. and you know,

right down in china, if you ask people that's what they tell you. absolutely not. looking at the gun violence, united states division, you know, people why dance? you know how so? sure. i want to give you a vaccine on, on, i'm sorry, my bad my, my disease to everybody. that's my right. where are the responsibility in china? you know, they go on the other side response of society, responsibility ahead of the individual desires. but it's not about like there are right responsibility. the individual and us it has become magnified and how can i possibly have like, i have no responsibility and you have politicians who are out there playing, playing with these kind of nonsense. and all it is need more than they want power

when they have no idea what they're going to cry. trying to nap. well, mr. king and the parents, they didn't get any more than a stick in the 2nd part of our discussion. but we have to leave it here. thank you very much for your insights today. and thank you for watching hope to here again on was the part ah with mm ah

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with breaking news here on r. c. 5 civilians are killed by ukrainian shelling and done yet people's republic, according to local officials, we report from the scene all around the you can see this is a residential area very heavily populated. this is one of those around for multiple rocket launchers, a 10 percent. everything upside down bloody mid putin slums, western attempts to blame russia for their global few crisis. and his 1st interview since the start to the conflicts and ukraine.