prize when they say that's the best conversation i've had in a long time. that is something that's very routine that comes out. people just want to be listened to. and we're trying to teach you how to listen to them while we hold a mirror up. so the person can see their humanity reflected back at them through our eyes. and when we treat them as human beings treat them for the suffering person that they are. and they, on the receiving end of that, they get to see that, hey, there's, there is a, you know, with inside. and that's the, i think, the incredible power of compassion. it was very impactful. when someone finally came along with no fear, no judgement. she heard my story did nothing to challenge it but validated. as soon as i started talking about my mother, tears came out. i just spilled my guts about everything she had done to me. letting her brother raised me and my sister denied the rape half and making the school back around. how many kind of she she tried to kill me, broken bones,

bruises the starvation, the sleep deprivation, the humiliation making me swallow my on my brothers and sisters watching is turning my brother against me. keep my sister away from me like i had never had a chance to just unleash solid. and i probably went on like an hour of just the stuff she did to me. and then he says, well, i want to ask another question. sorry. have you ever done this to anyone else? it just in that moment it was like i'm just like my mother take me. what really changed me was receiving compassion from the people that i least deserved from when

i least deserved them. people knew who i was. it was a small town and they knew what i was capable of and what i'd been doing for years and they didn't attack me, they didn't break the windows of my star, then argue ideologically with me. they came in and they were empathetic towards me . and they treated me with compassion despite the horrible person that i was at the time the buddy might offer me a job carrying in furniture at cherry hill in jersey for weekend 3 days, 100 bucks a day. and i told him, i said i take the job, he was going to tell you, before he say yes, the guy who owns this company is do. and i said, i don't care. and i've talked to him, do i? i went to work for me in 6 months. i still think i was in the are not in chief

would fit every jewish stereotype religious right now, like i was, i don't bring them right. you know, say where i broke the marble top table and i was like, i'm so stupid. i'm so sorry. i was 7 bowers frame. who so i so hours a day re for the customer, but he just bought it off of very drove me home. i was waiting for him to fire me so actually, and i remember him not to budge on that day, and i just kept my boots on a little seat of his trunk that we were in. and you couldn't really put him any further than i were. and my knees were hurting so bad because it's trying to hold him up there. so for the whole ride home swastikas looks at him every day. like he has a normal neo nazi. i just want him to see my boots with him boots and then from me

they dropped me off and they were full pay me on my paying monday and i was told and i just can wait for 2 things at my feet. everyone back. i'm not scared, i wanted him. i'm done with it. i'm fluid. it was 2 parts to getting out of a violent extremist group. the 1st part is disengagement, which is where you leave the social group. you leave the behavior you leave, but you probably still have the ideology. you've been given this nice recipe for how the world works and you take that away from somebody and then what do they have, right? they, they were looking for an analysis and you've taken away their analysis. so, you know, what's left drugs. i mean there all kinds of things that they can just sort of fall into. so you have to be very careful about it. and when you're bringing them out,

you will alert them to the risks. this isn't going to be easy and are going to be people are angry that do this because they've lost someone. they've invested the time and energy and we do debriefing. you know, if you're going to be on the outside, we need to know everything you know about how it works on the inside because you're not going back in. so we're, since we're going to burn those help you burn those bridges. so you can't go back and take everything away that was associated with that world. we take away your white laces. we take away your nazi flag because it's too easy to go back into. the next part is d. radicalization where the belief systems in the audiologist are removed or you can go to go get an anti mental from the cobra for a couple weeks. may get the right to the same type of snake, but that's how they do it, right? we're at the anti event on the he man because we have, we had that met him in our so we know how to spirit and we know how to also make it an empty mental and we had the answer. so i do believe the secret sauce is coming

from a loving place. you can't hate this person and expect to communicate any of that. you can't judge this person and expect to calmer, that with empathy before you got out what was what was pushing you to want to get off. i wrote jackson, you know, before and after present, you know, most of my best friends, but it's like, ok in prison. you know, like, you know, you have to be so you tend to be it. and after a while, before you realize that it's scary, is you actually become that image. you are just trying to, i had a myself everyday for getting myself locked up. so when i looked at it, what made anybody else more special than me? so where did that shift come from? how come you one you went from not thinking about that to really and i need to start making some changes. he was watching to see what my son grew up in the heart range and every time watching the same level that the family because i can be out

there. the brothers didn't like that when they found out because they could just let me know. and i'll been of a deal, said they, you know, try to kill me. why now? i get shot. go off the road. and you know, i'm going to come to the car, breaks the brakes and i remember slicing charles car, he's like i said yes, good. you need to as mad right across. and then we inside the school and open this up. i'm trying to get out just to get on time. if there was one thing, then someone stuck in that life who may not be aware that there is a way out. what would you say?

they go all the have that have ruins. you lose a poison. you're very so man, i was on a lot of human nature since really during the summer in 2016, we started to see a significant consistent increase in the number of incidents reported to our office . we saw between 20152016. the number of anti muslim, hey groups tripled tonight the f b, i walking into whether have crime charges will be filed against an alleged white supremacists, accused of stabbing to good samaritans to death on a commuter train. in portland. the guy who did that was someone who had been in the fringes of the all right, movement of america, the country are freedom. you brought there to my patients that we hear that all the

time go back to where you came from and you just amped up that rhetoric that he wants to take his country back. and so that's that, that's the theme that runs through that. we're not going to let people come into our country. troy, i saw this guy running for president doing the exact same thing and i couldn't believe that i was hearing it, but i knew that that would work. and that was the frightening thing. because i've seen it work on a klan rally in stone mountain, georgia. i saw that kind of rhetoric where people are yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. what do we do about their culture? i don't want to know about their culture. if you want your body, you could just go back to much, much with bucket of gasoline was kicked over and lit up all those little sparks and already existed into a large forest fire. part of donald trump's huge appeal was that although he does

not think in terms of race, the way i do, he at least thinks in terms of nation, he recognized that united states is a nation with a particular people. and that not everybody belongs. this is a great relief to millions of people who have seen their nation transformed in the name of diversity diversity that always comes at the expense of white people. he spoke to some of the things that, that angry white male wants to hear. we're going to put a wall on the border. we're going to make the mexicans pay forward. we're going to bring manufacturing jobs backs as a kind of populous messaged white nails, combined with racism. that was found to be very attractive. and everyone's promises like that idea as well. tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of them that have an intellectual curiosity and an understanding of national socialism that no skin had ever had. there was a price you paid if you were a public with your bigotry or anti semitism,

it didn't serve you well in your career. your friends in your neighborhood really weren't excited to hang out with. your kids might be embarrassed of you. your parents would be really upsetting you and people learned that those attitudes were not going to be beneficial to their life. i think what we're concerned about now is that blanket and then we put over it, is being pulled back. that it's going to be really hard to put that back where it was. ah, so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy even foundation, let it be an arms race group is on often very dramatic development. only really i'm getting to resist, i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very critical time time to sit down and talk

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you up on video will lock you up for you, but just let me do a quick yeah . and i do so as you know that way you don't mind. ah, there was a state of emergency in florida. it's a white nationalist, was about to take stage 3. our day university of florida is breaking for potential violence today of a speech by white nationalists later richard spencer, who the protesters gathered outside the site of the the only reason might that yesterday, but i will say that back to the all right. read the notion that they really were

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. so you know how to check with this guy is grad going to get killed that here. so my, i gotta go, he's got colors. hey, people who say, oh is all love we hey, hey hey. hey hey, love please. same people had a message a hey i was randy. you know i came home. i don't want to talk to you, you know, understand you. he was cool. no problem. the whole time, we couldn't really have

a discussion because the camera, you know, you people, question, i don't get tell me what was it was go find more of a sudden, you know, i don't know if i'm talking to me like really and i guess our intimate setting was force known as we were both keep out. so we encountered some police officers. they were treating randy how they would treat me on a regular day, you know, just awful what they perceive by his, our parents end up one arrest in. yeah, i right, this made you got beat on spin. are usually the sped on the back is it usually is mouth, but what is he doing wrong? why he hasn't been sit on the ground, do this type of stuff. so we actually started walking and talking and we find out we have things in common. you know, i some his views about certain bay. it was certain i'm girl and both. yeah. he was telling me he got involved in his teenage years in the area nation. and that's just

how a lot of my friends, the different people get involved in a blow to cripps in different games they joined. that's what's around you. so what i was around you and your friends may be involved or whatever happens your my say is going to be on that. so for me, i just saw the similarities of what my culture would deal with just in a little different way. there's no, there's nothing new up on it. a son. he was just a different route. they angry white man, angry black men, 2 different. the angry black man is angry because he has no home has no vision. yeah, no way to provide angry white people, especially in a lower income cause they have so many mental and role models that you can just turn on the tv and see success. i mean, now i will be deprived to if i'm down at the bottom with black people and they got to really be and you know, i'm why, what am i know? it is a deep seated, you know, sitting around and, you know, no one you're gonna daugherty, you know,

what better way to focus setting or that don't these people, people different feel color. i could say ignorant white man because he's angry because he doesn't really understand was listening. oh, did america did over the road? i got to where do you that? you know, i'll go to bless 20 of my ancestors back. i mean, everybody that white in america has been if you know, if tell me answer that color response to amos are missing, you know, busy right now, given the wrong hope i got somebody to understand matches myself what my culture as a whole and look it differently just because of my individual encounter, we talk every week med darlington 3 times a week at least. others that yeah, at least 2 times you know, your phone calls, you know, our phone calls, you know,

and we don't was why hours with, i mean when you think about what you've done just in the last month that the turnaround correction, done what you've abandoned and what you adopted it's most people can't even lose 10 pounds. they want to lose much less make an entire mental, emotional in lifestyle, change to humanize town, which allows them to humanize your like that that's not rocket science, but yeah, it's, it's evading. the majority of the country, right, and there's me like i could, i could never get anybody, erin brotherhood, a nation, or anybody who got lots of only given the same lack of i got free and that that was part of his pain and your narrative and changes his narrative, not that we agree with anything that comes out of the far right is that will don't ever forget that there are people inside of those people who know that there's a human being inside of this person. right. and we just choose not to forget that

we don't really see x, not seeing a vitamin, you know, have a lot of dialogue as we do. but i mean, i can consider him a friend. i was glad if i could have that effect on randy to open his eyes up to see that you know something different. a c, whatever may have been, you know, introduced to him or told him was proven to be a lot of their day in madison. but telling me, i think we often think about this and terms of the ways in which they are failing us. they are bad men, they are floating away from us. they are deviant. and i think we,

we need to ask the other question. also, we need to ask the question of how we are failing them. what kind of ways can we keep them in the center? and part of my answer to that is we have to find ways to keep them validated as men . it's really amazing when people feel more whole quickly and how easily in the ideology of hey, falls way. and if you can reconnect them to the people that they thought they hated . that helps know that i'm them. these are that they realize that they're actually a part of the solution rather than contributing to the problem. the 1st time i've ever felt accepted any shape or form from anybody is actually with white after have another p 5 met just recently. i feel if those it's great, so i want everybody to know the human being year instead of like music.

but i have person to be able to have the different cultures and different people here. religion is good to be able to close this to be able to interact because it teaches me that, you know, we're all in this together. this is a part of our emotion. farmers are, are evolving into a powerful force and justice, quality, love, peace, compassion. we are operating as human beings from one of 2 places. here are, let me get to choose which one that is, are still happened. and in the days following boston happened, it was such a turn out and seemed at a mortgage to support for countering that narrative of white supremacy. it really flooded me with hope. i am proud that i can be a voice against what i used to stand for. i thought

i have something to bring to among the bigger and better things while i'm still mindful of what i owe to society. but no one's better served by my guilt or shame at this point, including me. ready me i fired a r 16 and a glock at this time. 71 suspects wrong about molly and use need to die. don't communicate with them. and he's got an automatic weapon. he's running

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