going into afghanistan wars and then the invasion of iraq. and now you see, say you're just looking to blame others where it was working. you start looking at lower middle class, especially white americans. they are on the by margaret, on one side. they are, you know, me charge that there's a problem society and the other hand, they see that they're not increase the last 40 years, i mean, going sideways. meanwhile, you know, people on wall street are making more money to add to rich men in the united states. wealth is greater than the entire nation. so when you start looking at all of these and what's happening within us is provided. but that division has now shred. you mentioned the number of historical people starting with the 2nd world war and perhaps have been before that and you know, they won't have to have seen many challenges over the last century. and yet i've

heard you recently say that this would be one of the worse patches for humanity to go through in over a 100 years. that's a pretty dramatic assessment. what made you, we should well, it is this what i was meaning that you have political once or konami concert. there's along with us changing the global, retreating from them. you know, i think you have an economic transportation transformation where literally going through a paradigm shift and it's not going very well. china is rising economically, west jewelry and visual revolution. it's really going to have as much as an industrial revolution. i mean, we started thinking about the number of people who are going to this place. it will

be truck drivers, actually drivers, ash, cruise ships, things become more economist why, because that's why these things will happen to people that. busy we know economically, money, houses logic and it was through today with the amount of money that orient because they have a stable government in russia when russia said, okay, you want well pay back up now, so strong, weaker. so you know, they're only kind of constantly going on the, all the logic, all the ideas that were in the past. i no longer ballot. there's just a lot of change and racing that change is being very difficult or power. it's like a shock. i ask you something on the issue of russia just to narrow it

a little bit because you're already paying to get a very broad and pretty complex picture for our audience. but if you look at the many of the western media, you'll get an idea that the current confrontation between russia and the west over your brain is one of the major reasons. if not the major reason for things falling apart. i think your partially answered my question, but i'm going to ask it anyway to give you an opportunity to perhaps to elaborate on that. is it indeed the fact that the russian action into your brain, saturday scales in motion or was this, were those the balancing ukraine in themselves? the consequence of something that was people, i don't know if you, if you look at a fusions safety since

they all said that any action ukraine would bring more with this is kitchen here. this is we are safe. there is no, never any question. no one's not, not true or anything like that. so nato expansion is calculated to create a reaction. it is actually not, excuse me, i'm not in paper was neither am i right away and i don't think there are the issue is if i back you order a new start coming out clean and other people get hurt. i can't say we did one thing, i mean, you asked a couple pushing russia into the situation with that was not, excuse me, you know. and unfortunately, you know, after iraq which strategy where they use profit, want to use other country like there was to weaken enemy,

i was concerned about this new crane shot interlining with your a k i n grain so really dangerous when countries use other countries as prox me call it kind of your estimation. it's probably not possible probable. you're starting to see that already. now mr. chang and in another interview, you're also called the situation ukraine. a boy that was deliberately created for p r purposes. and that caught my attention because it's hard to imagine what kind of p r results would justify know the only the amount of suffering and loss, the ukrainians, and the russians are going through. but also the ripple effect throughout the world . that base price is having and countries that have absolutely nothing to do with

either russia, ukraine or the united states for that reason. well, i mean, i'm not back, i'm not a tailor of american inception and exception idea that us can do whether it's necessary to bring the world into the state. that means democracy that america likes pre marketers liberal values, but we see that is the us trying to push world pushing world of direction, but it's using everything that they use. everyone else doing. i mean, starting war that's not living with me. it's working countries to changing regime that has nothing to do with moxie open markets or re except the market itself is not dominated by in all its major industries by 2 or 3 players who

are pursuing their own economic agenda. ethics matches their people. so the u. s. is in this situation where it's failing at home, but rather than it's something where they're doing blaming others abroad. so when you start talking about ukraine, you have a situation in the us wants to minimize any country that it does not thing which part of the national we're in the way are you know, how many regime change? yeah, we want to get a little i think it's a country that has more than welcome. anybody else? what happens if you could save life? it? it seems madness. yes, it's out there and why us is trying to prove that it's like when everyone else is wrong, despite the fact that can lead by example. now you mentioned the so called international

order. and one of the things i said, hearing here in the russia, is that russia actions in ukraine as hard to explain and hard to justify as they are. i may have been based not on some historical grievances on, not even on the threat perception, but rather on the cold blooded objective calculation of where the world is moving. how'd the balance of power in the world is shifting and the conclusion that even if the worst case scenario materialize this and all ties with the west that caught, that russia can survive and accomplish its development goal goals by associating itself more closely with known the west than by doing that, you know, sort of strengthening this multi polar world that it wants to see. or what do you think about that? do you think that se utopian ideology thing that has some kernel of truth to? okay. so let's look at a couple of issues. you know,

president who laid out very clearly in is just hearing snitch club. russia had said, i mean we've spoken german at the end of the all the while. we're looking forward to europe, new home. and i clearly identified russian senior man, your ration and then 7 years later he gets up and he says, you have like us to expand into areas. you said you would not, you will not allow us to have a home to. we are therefore no choice with the try to destroy the international order that you created. that is a nation a rush. he expresses no one. ready be surprised

that you know, we do not like this international lead ordered by us, but he goes along with that because it is not fair. other countries there is a multicultural and that can be clearly illustrated by what's been happening on its own way. mexico on its way, right. in an asian, i mean, quite clearly things have shifted in that direction now. well, how shape the world economy arrives? how this is lives from this? unfortunately, i, you know, it could be from the nation. because right now we're talking about shortage power shortage. and these are going to affect countries talking about middle east africa. these are countries in countries where with all the food at the prices that they're going to be, they do not have the wherewithal. without food,

you cannot live without energy. you cannot run your economy. and without your economy, you cannot pay your international. so this is why i haven't very, really outlook on the situation now. what's the u. s. i all power should be doing it. recognizing that it's critical timing issue. this is about the survival of the human race. well mister turner, we are also at a very critical point in our conversation because we need to take a break now. but we will be back in just a few moments. ah, me i ah, ah,

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schools? if you look on the initial be one of club masika had you post on really well it be often used to put by you and you who did origin, but he also listed on those of your new with what i see. the senior bus is no growth. you lation says diesel. you gumbo sup ah ha, welcome back to one of the boys with a senior fellow at they tie her institutes. miss, i turned in before the break, we were talking about the bit ripple, a fact that the, your cranium of crisis is causing around. well then, obviously the russia is bearing

a lot of pain the most pain from it because of the western attempts to cut it off completely from the rest of the global economy. and as challenging as it is both for the russian government and for the russian people, i'm hearing a paradoxical idea here in moscow that you know, this amount of can amik and that your political suffering right now may actually inoculate russia against greater a few years down the line of when the western or western center, it says system disintegrate. even further. now over russia has a choice at this point of time. but do you think other countries may also think about it? about perhaps flooring that dependence on the west or you know, trying to establish data own self sufficiency and survival ability. in the case, similar sanctions are applies to them or i fax them for no reason

of their own making. well, yeah, i mean, one of the major issues that people haven't really talked about in russia is able to survive this. this will be another example of how the world is truly like color and not the u. s. and catch everybody. and if you don't go along the crash, i mean, it looks like history a change in your years in iran, venezuela, you launch, anyone have to change in right now, how, how russia deals are the news going to be very, very important about whether in the movement towards not only a multi whole one in which economic activities market and production are increasingly moving. as is rush my, you know, not, not my choice. so in terms of how we

do that, a lot of it depends. one of the things that is most noticeable as we talked about with us was saying that we crush your economy li by, you know, they dollars and therefore your precious paper are well and well, it's actually above where it was. so i mean, this juncture, there's a certain independence. so when you start looking at your ration, you're the lesson of american and that is going to be traumatic. don't want to celebrate that us. why people, julian, 20 percent of the world that demand goes away. it will be additional hardships. so right now, yes, russia is very well place because it has energy who may not have all the extra

luxuries. there might be problems the parts of things. but eventually the supply lines will be filled up. media, brazil, from china, hostile right now the international class tries to make it mean that the only one who no remaining non line in this situation, but the fact majority in the world, not only one, but also population. that is actually will not interest war that will take us at that at the track. so mister, turn in the makeup of this new world order certificate accessible depends on what kind of very relationship the countries will pursue. and i think the example of russia and china over the last couple of decades is quite instructive here because both capital, like decide their relationship as the, as

a model for other countries. they see, you know, di trying the way they are structured as the, as a container within the which immediate challenges, hardships, competing interest will be held. i've heard both the russians and the chinese, the just the, that's who'd be a good model to proceed. you agree with that? do you think it could be extrapolated other countries? do you ultimately think that your politics has reached the point where various countries can put the strategic shares, concerns above, needed one side of the game? i guess it depends on the country and their situation. i mean i do a lot of work on the unique. i was very well educated in the person in ministry was talking about high ideal about the democracy,

about liberalism, all of these things that the next moment part is answer was all about what's in their career. so i mean, you either have these ideals and you try to follow them or you just say every now, this is really the danger of working international or that whole world. people start to fashion. they just say well, with every, every country for themselves. and i do think that nations like russia, china, initially us in europe as a major players, is leaders have to lead my example. and that means less wars, less selling of arms like that. and i don't mean just us, i mean, you know, across the board. i don't know how it gone, has made life better for anybody. you look in the united states right now. the problem is we don't have a knock on. i would say the problem was we have to, you mentioned the couple of individuals who have benefited from it,

maybe it's about them at the end of the day. yeah, well, right now, i mean europe is awake, the us positioning out to be the bread basket of europe and also the energy supplier. and that is not something that everybody you're comfortable with because they're very aware that the u. s. has course, whenever a lot was necessary for the united states on other countries and i'm talking about the terrace now we're, we're only one election away from going right back to where donald trump was. all right, and then you can after him, you can have another flip flop. how do you run of a world country when you're constantly flip flopping back between medical ideas and you know, it's just, it's just not possible. and this will be undoing united inability to plan

provide a predictable future business on it. you know, people have to know that they can plan if they can't do that. there's no way for lation. it matches some 7 percent of the united states feel that the buyer is going to lose the house and probably sell it when that happens. you haven't workable government. and as he just mentioned, the inflation is, is a problem, not only for the united states, but very much for the rest of the world. and i think this is also what makes our seemingly abstract apps are discussion much less abstract because this lofty concepts like our world order has a direct impact on the prize of a loaf of bread in the local supermarket. then many people around the world, they seeing it right now, but that wasn't a day case. that wasn't the case even a decade ago, the united states was able to conduct many wars without its population ever feel

filling effective. what do you think has changed in the world to bring that home to make the americans fill the pinch of actions that their government is initiating on their behalf? well, we did feel the pain. i'm not gonna stand with them last year. we've been playing wars. there's no strategy to win an ability to lose roll and joe never knew about it. i mean, he may have gotten some news on his life. wasn't about it because he was being financed with that was for trillion dollars between the more you don't notice that because you don't pay that government. but right now the u. s . situation where it's overloaded with data, especially because more than that,

and they're not in the position where they can even have them drastic change in monetary policy. in order to hear that you have the fed, which is pushing the country into a recession, if not, depression, doesn't meet up in their mind at any mission to we inflate the economy after you know the worst was back is raising race at the fed level is great, tertiary economy, jobs, the amount of the national, et cetera, but it does not make one little read and it does not create one barrel of oil, then those are our chronic shorter hughes call. my current situation. when also situation, ukraine, they don't need to understand that, and this is what is really bothersome when you have really smart people who are doing really dumb things. and it just feel, well,

i think the question is still open, how smart they are. and i think that that brings us to these long discussion about . 1 what constitutes good governance, because from the trying to perspective what is and effective governance is a craving some basic conditions for, you know, good, productive human life and development. rather than feeding people are some on ideological ideas of why freedom is it, is more beneficial than the so called the top rossi. the americans are still framing on that politics in the, in this way of freedom versus, or liberty versus a talker. so do you think that's, that's an effective narrative in this day in age? do you think other countries by the modern united states? i mean you have people on opposite sides of the fence mentally willing to engage in

a civil war. that's what we had with the small people who literally wanted to tear down society area. many of the people were in the armed forces. they are in the police now compared to heart medicine. america. so yeah, you know, it's ideal that you know, everything is solved by a valid free market and free speech. it doesn't work right down in china. if you ask people, that's what they tell you. absolutely not. looking at the gun violence, united states division people. why dance? you know, how so? sure. i want to give you a vaccine on, i'm please my, my, my disease to everybody. that's my right. where are the responsibility in china? you know, they go on the other side responses to responsibility ahead of the,

in the nutri desires. and it's not about like there are right, responsibility the individual. and then you ask, it has become magnified and how can i possibly have like, i have the ability and you have politicians who are out there li claim to be kind of nonsense. and all it is you need more than they want power, but they have no idea what they're going to accept christ trying to do. now. mr. king and the parents they didn't get any more to stick in the 2nd part of our discussion, but we have to live up here. thank you very much for your insights today. and thank you for watching hope to here again on the well support. ah

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