for me, you know, there was no program when i left i kind of and all of us at ally faster, hate kind of stumbled our way through it. and then we can take the lessons that we've learned from that and shrink the time frame down. so there's less was less wandering in the wilderness, so to speak. when i was in the move in the last 2 years, and before i left, i was struggling with do i want to leave? i like part of me want to leave another part in it's been battle with us. if i leave, i have nothing to fall back on. i have to pause it. do i have nobody to go to? you know me and live around last 7 years. i have nothing and sometimes it's hard if they've got a swastika tattooed on their neck. it's hard for them, but just to say, i don't do that anymore. it's kind of a long process. it's not like you just leave it one day and you're like, well, i'm glad that's over. i had been out of the movement before i got connected with these guys, but i was on my own and didn't talk about it and had

a lot of buried shame and guilt. and then i met these guys and i saw, you know, frankly talking arnold dog, it helped me get past that barrier of feeling like i had to hide this from world. that opening up has really just taken my mind you in process and my allusion to a whole other level really. you've got to find a way to find an affirmation that every discussion, no matter how bad it feels, it is going. you've just got to be over, now's like takes guts to do that. trying to help them discover the abilities that they have. this is why we don't want to foster dependency. this is why the intervention can't rely on my car is more. they go from being untrusting, hateful, spiteful, distant, to begging for more interaction. another phone call. another meeting in tell me poor, and don't be surprised when they say that's the best conversation i've had in a long time. that is something that's very routine that comes out of people just want to be listened to. and we're trying to teach you how to listen to them. well,

we hold a mirror up so the person can see their humanity reflected back at them through our and when we treat them as human beings treat them for the suffering person that they are. and they, on the receiving end of that, they get to see that, hey there's, there is a human insights. and that's the, i think, the incredible power of compassion. it was very impactful. when someone finally came along with no fear, no judgement. she heard my story did nothing to challenge it, but validated the soon as i started talking about, my mother tears came up. i just spilled my guts about everything she had done to me letting her brother rate me and my sister denying the rape half and making the school back around. how many times she she tried to kill me, broken bones, bruises the starvation, the sleep deprivation, the humiliation making me swallow my own. my brothers and sisters watching is

turning my brother against me. keep my sister away from me like i had never had a chance to just unleash all it. and i probably went on like an hour of just the stuff she did to me. and he says, well, i want to ask another question. sorry. have you ever done this to anyone else? it just in that moment it was like i'm just like my mother me. what really changed me was receiving compassion from the people that i least deserved it from when i least deserved that people knew who i was. it was a small town. they knew what i was capable of and what i'd been doing for years and

they didn't attack me. they didn't break the windows of my star, then argue ideologically with me. they came in and they were empathetic towards me . and they treated me with compassion, despite the horrible person that i was at the time the body might offer me a job carrying in antique furniture at cherry hall in jersey mall for weeks 3 days $100.00 a day. and i told him, i said i'd take the job, he was going to tell you free say yes, the guy who owns this company is do and i, so i don't care and i've talked to him, do i want to work for his been 6 months still thing i was in the nazi chief would fit every jewish stereotype religious right now like i

don't bring them right or you say i broke the marble top table and i was like, i'm so stupid. i'm so sorry. 7 bears frame. who so i so embarrassed. i did a rate for the customer, but he spot it off of very drove me home. i was waiting for him to fire me. so actually, you know, and i remember only not too much on that day. and i just kept my boots under the seat of his trunk that you couldn't really put him any further than i were. and my knees were hurting so bad because it's china on unfair. so for the whole right, swastikas looks at him every day, like he has a nominator nazi and i just want him to see my boots. i knew him boots man did for me. they dropped me off and they were full pay me on my pay. monday.

and i was told and i just can wait for 10 things. my feet, me back. i'm not scared wanted and i'm done with it. i'm fluid if it was 2 parts to getting out of a violent extremist group, the 1st part is disengagement, which is where you leave the social group. you leave the behavior you leave, but you probably still have the ideology. you've been given this nice recipe for how the world works and you take that away from somebody and then what do they have, right? they, they were looking for an analysis and you've taken away their analysis. so, you know, what's left drugs, i mean there all kinds of things that they can just sort of fall into. so you have to be very careful about it. and when you're bringing them out, you will alert them to the risks. this isn't going to be easy and they're going to be people, they're angry that do this because they've lost them when they've invested the time

and energy and we do debriefing. you know, if you're going to be on the outside, we need to know everything you know about how it works on the inside cuz you're not going back in. so we're, since we're going to burn those help you burn those bridges. so you can't go back and take everything away that was associated with that world. we take away your white laces, we take away your nazi fly because it's too easy to go back. and the next part is de radicalization where the belief systems in the audiologist are removed or you can go to go get an anti mental from the cobra for a couple weeks. may get your rates at the same time, it's a bit bigger. that's how they do it, right? we're right, the anti bent on the name because we have, we had that many mean are we not a spirit? and we know how to also make it an anti mental and we had the answer. so i do believe the secret sauce is coming from a loving place. you can't hate this person and expect to communicate any of that. you can't charge this person and expect to counter that with empathy before you got

out what was what was pushing you to want to get up. i wrote jackson me, you know, before and after president, you know, most of my best friends, but it's like, ok in prison. you know, like, you know, you have to be. so you tend to be it. and after a while, before you realize it in a scary is you actually become that image. you are just training. i had myself every day for getting myself locked up. so when i looked at it, what made anybody else more special than me? so where did that shift come from? how come in one day you went from? not thinking about that to really saying i need to start making some changes is watch, see watch much longer. up and visit was harvey. and every time i leave it on the same level that on the family because i can be out there, the brothers didn't like that when they found ways because they could just let me

know. and i left and said they tried to kill me by now i get shot. go all through and i'm, you know, i'm going to come to his cock breaks or breaks. and i remember slicing. child car price is like if i said yes, this is good. you need to is mad right across, and then we inside my school and open this i up. i'm trying to get out and just to get on time if there's one thing someone stuck and someone in that life who may not be aware that there is a way out. what would you say? they go all the have that have ruins, use a poison. you're very solemn and i don't

a lot of human since really during the summer in 2016, we started to see a significant consistent increase in the number of incidents reported to our office . we saw between 20152016. the number of anti muslim hate groups tripled. tonight the f. b, i walking into whether have crime charges will be filed against alleged white supremacists, accused of stabbing to good samaritans to death on a commuter train. in portland, the guy who did that was someone who had been in the fringes of the all right movement america, this country are great on their page so that we hear that all the time go back to where you came from. and he just amped up that rhetoric that he wants to take his country back. and so that's that, that's the theme that runs through that. and we're not going to let people come

into our country. it's troy. i saw this guy running for president doing the exact same thing and i couldn't believe that i was hearing it, but i knew that it would work. and that was the frightening thing because i've seen it work on klan rally and stone mountain georgia. i saw that kind of rhetoric where people are yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. what do we do about it? their culture. i don't want to know about their culture in your body. you could just go home. you know what? i don't know what the much does with bucket of gasoline was kicked over and lit up. all those little sparks that already existed into a large force buyer. part of donald trump's huge appeal was that although he does not think in terms of race, the way i do, he at least thinks in terms of nation,

he recognized that the united states is a nation with a particular people. and that not everybody belongs here. this is a great, a leave. 2 millions of white people who have seen their nation transformed the name of diversity. diversity that always comes at the expense of white people. he spoke to some of the things that, that angry white male wants to hear. we're gonna put a wall on the board, or we're going to make the mexicans pay for it. we're going to bring manufacturing jobs back as a kind of populous messaged white males, combined with racism, that was found to be very attractive. and everyone's premises like that idea as well. there's not thousands, tens of thousands. there's hundreds of thousands of them that have an intellectual curiosity and an understanding of national socialism that no skin had ever had. there was a price you paid if you were a public with your big tree or anti semitism, it didn't serve you well in your career. your friends in your neighborhood really

burnt. excited to hang out with you. your kids might be embarrassed of you. your parents would be really upsetting you and people learned that those attitudes were not going to be beneficial to their life. i think what we're concerned about now is that blanket and that we put over it, is being pulled back. that it's going to be really hard to put that back where it was with a pushy russia into this situation and it, but that was not, excuse exactly, you know, all the data. and unfortunately, you out now after iraq about to try to pay a huge truck. they want to do other countries to fight their war. we can with

what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy confrontation, let it be an arms. race is often very dramatic, a development only personally and getting to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very difficult. time. time to sit down and talk with ah, there was a state of emergency in florida. it's

a white nationalist, was about to take stage 3. our day university of florida is grayson for potential violence today of a speech by white national liter richard spencer, whose approved gestures gathering out. so i decided the only reason my to say, but i will say that back to the all right, and read the notion that they really were the way to find a do the noise or the chip with

that stuff. so, you know, i always check with these guy is gonna get killed that here. so i got, i got this guy coming. hey people who say, oh, it's all love we hey,

hey, hey hey, love please. the same people with when i was randy, you know, i came home, i don't want to talk to you, you know, understand you. it was cool. no problem the whole time. we couldn't really have a discussion because the camera, you know, you people, question. i don't get tell us what was it was a problem talking to you. you're going to be like really? and i guess our intimate said was force known as we were both keep out. so we encountered some police officers. they were treating randy how they were treat me on a regular day, you know, just awful what they perceived by his our parents and the end of one arrest in. yeah, i right, this may not be, don't spin, are usually spent on

a magazine. you read my book, what is he doing wrong? why hasn't been sit on the ground, do this type of stuff. so we actually started walking and talking and we found out we have things in common, you know, eyes and his views about certain behavior. it was certain i'm girl and both. yeah. he was telling me he got involved in his teenage years in the area nation and asked him how a lot of my friends, the different people get involved in a blow to cribs in different games they joined. that was around you. so what i was around you and your friends may be involved or whatever happens, your mindset is going to be on that. so for me, i just saw the similarities of what my culture would deal with just in a little different way. there's no, there's nothing new up on it. a son. he was just a different route. they angry white man, angry, bad man to different. the angry black man is angry because he has no home has no vision. he has no way to provide angry white people, especially a low income cause they have so many mental and role models that you can just turn

on the tv and see success. i mean, now i will be deprived to if i'm down at the bottom would be black people and they got to really be in, you know, i'm why, what am i know? it isn't easy to see the thing around and you know, no one year darknet, daphne, you know what better way to focus on. inger that they know these people, people different feel color. i could say ignorant white man because he's angry because he doesn't really understand was questioning. oh, did america? he doesn't even say i he got to where do you then you know, i'll go to bless, went to assistance back. i mean, everybody that white in america has benefited often. if tell me, answer that color response to a miss, i miss it, you know, busy right now, given the wrong hope i got somebody to

understand matches myself what my culture as a whole and look it differently just because of my individual encounter. and we talk every week, there are 2 times a week, at least either that is the, at least 2 times, you know, your phone calls, you know, our little girl and we don't, one was we're hours with, i mean when you think about what you've done, just in the last month, the turn around the correction done what you've abandoned and what you adopted it's . most people can't even lose 10 pounds. they want to lose. much less make an entire mental, emotional in lifestyle change to humanize town, which allowed him to humanize your liking that that's not rocket science but yeah, it's, it's evading. the majority of the country right now, there's me like i could,

i could never get anybody in. erin and brotherhood, a nation or anybody who got lots of only given the same lack of i got free and that was part of his pain and your narrative and it changes his narrative. not that we agree with anything that comes out of the far right. is that will, don't ever forget that there are people inside of those people who know that there's a human being inside of this person. right. and we just choose not to forget that we don't really see x, not sienna vitamin, you know, have a lot of dialogue as we do. but i mean, i can consider him a friend. i was glad i could have that effect on randy. open his eyes up to see then you know something i see whatever may have been introduced to him or told him was proven to be a last day

in madison. but i think we often think about this and terms of the ways in which they are failing us. they are a bad man. they are floating away from us. they are deviant. and i think we need to ask the other question. also, we need to ask the question and how we are failing them. what kind of ways can we keep them in the center? and part of my answer to that is we have to find ways to keep them validated as men . it's really amazing. when people feel more whole quickly and easily ideology of hate falls away and if you can reconnect them to the people that they thought they hated, it helps build that. i'm them. these are that they realize that they're actually a part of the solution rather than contributing to the problem. the 1st time

i've ever felt accepted any shape or form from anybody is actually with white after have another p 5 managers. recently i feel if those is to grade, so i want everybody to know the human being year instead of like a minute. but i have person to be able to have their different cultures and different people here. it really is to be able to close this and to be able to interact because it teaches me that, you know, we're, you know, all together. this is a part of our emotion. farmers are, are evolving and our full force, man, justice, quality, love, peace, compassion. we are operating as human beings from one of 2 places. here are, let me get to choose which one that is,

are still happening in the days following boston happened. it was such a turn out and seemed at a mortgage support for countering that narrative of white supremacy. it really flooded me with hope. i am proud that i can be a voice against what i used stamps or i thought as i have something to bring to the team among the bigger and better things. while i'm still mindful of what i owe to society. but no one's better served by my guilty shame at this point, including me, me

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the oldest and most popular motors in human history is cited in is also fables in the harry, puerto saga in the new testament. and of course, in multiple speeches of american presidents. and that's true on the personnel or national level. would that also apply to the world? to discuss that i'm now joined from beijing by a 9 tank and senior fellow ad they tie her in situ. it turned in, it's great to see you're good to talk to you. thank you very much for time for you . now let me start with the idea that i mentioned in my introduction that a house, and that's the biblical version. how that is divided against itself cannot stand? would it be fair to say that the world as we know it today, is perilously divided, or has it always been that way? well, there are moments to division. i mean there is always the nation with. you can have .