the term of reagan when it seems like, you know, us one, but then that was quickly, all was quickly spent in terms of going into afghanistan and fighting with war from many invasion of iraq. and now you see say to just looking to play mothers work with working. i started looking at lower middle class, especially white america and they're on the by margaret on one side. they are charged that there is a problem society and the other hand, they see that they're not increase the last 40 years, i mean, going sideways. meanwhile, you know, people on wall street are making more money to add to rich men in the united states. well, is greater than the entire nation when you start reading all of these and what's happening within us. but that division is world. you mentioned the number of

historical people starting in the 2nd world war and perhaps have been before that. and, you know, they won't have to have seen many challenges over the last century. and yet i heard you recently say that this would be one of the worst patches for humanity to go through in over a 100 years. that's a pretty dramatic assessment. what made you reach it? well, that's what i was, meaning that you have political once or long with us changing a global, retreating from them. you know, i think you have an economic transportation transformation where literally going through a paradigm shift and it's not going very well. china is rising economically, west jewelry and digital revolution. it's really going to have as

much as an industrial revolution. i mean me start thinking about the number of this place, it will be truck drivers, taxi drivers, cruise ships, things become more economist why, because that's why these things happen to people that. busy we know economically, money has its own logic and it was through see that today with the amount of money that china because they have a stable government in russia when russia said, okay, you want well payable back up now, so strong, weaker. so, you know, they're unintended constantly on the logic, all the ideas that were in the past, i no longer valid. there's

a lot of cation racing. that change is being very difficult or power. it's like a shock. i ask you something on the issue of russia just to narrow it a little bit because you're already paying to get very broad and pretty complex picture for our audience. but if you look at the many of the western media, you'll get an idea that the current confrontation between russia and the west over your brain is one of the major reasons. if not the major reason for things falling apart. i think you personally answered my question, but i'm going to ask it anyway to give you an opportunity to perhaps to elaborate on that. is it indeed the fact that you know, the, the russian action into your brain, saturday scales in motion or was this were those the balancing ukraine in themselves? the consequence of something that was people,

i don't know if you, if you look at a seasons safety since they all said that any action ukraine would bring with this is kitchen here, this is key and we are safe. there is no, never any question. no one's not, not true or anything like that. so nato expansion is calculated to create a reaction. it is actually a king that does not excuse, i'm not in favor, was i? and neither am i right away and i don't think there are the issue is if i back you order a new start coming out clean and other heard. i can't say we did one thing. i mean, the new actually is a couple question. russia into the situation with that was not, excuse me back,

but you know, and unfortunately, you know, after iraq which strategy where they use profit. i want to use other country like there was we can enemy, i concerned about this. one crane was shot interlining. irritate, and rain. so really dangerous when countries to use other countries as proc me, call it kind of estimation. it's probably not possible probable chart to see that already know mr. duncan, in another interview, you're also called the situation in ukraine. a boy that was deliberately created for p r purposes. and that caught my attention because it's hard to imagine what kind of p r results would justify. i know the only the amount of suffering and loss

the ukrainians, and the russians are going through. but also the ripple effect throughout the world . that base price that is having and countries that have absolutely nothing to do with either russia, ukraine or the united states for that reason. well, i mean, i'm not i'm not a favor of american exception. american exception. the idea that you asked to do whether it's necessary to bring the world into the state of democracy that america likes free markets, legal values. but we talk to see that is the us trying to push the world working world direction, but it's using everything that they use. everyone else is doing. i mean, starting war, that's not liberal, it's working countries to changing regime that has nothing to do with the moxie

open market sort of way except the market itself is not dominated by in all its major industries. my 2 or 3 players who are pursuing their own economic agenda, epic sensors, their people. so us is a live odd situation where it's failing at home, but rather than what they're doing, blaming others abroad. so when you start talking about ukraine, you have a situation where the u. s. wants to minimize any country that it does not thing which part of the national order in the way it was already know how many regime change. yeah, we want to get little i think the country that has more nuclear weapons than anybody else. what happens if you could stabilize it? it seems we madness. yes,

it's out there and why the us is trying to prove that it's like when everyone else is wrong, despite the fact that can lead by example. now you mentioned the so called international order, and one of the things i said hearing here in the russia is that russia's actions in ukraine as hard to explain and hard to justify as they are. i may have been based not on some historical grievances on, not even on the threat perception, but rather on the cold blooded objective calculation of where the world is moving, how the balance of power in the world is shifting and the conclusion that even if the worst case scenario materialize this and all ties with the west that ca, that russia can survive and accomplish its development goal goals by associating itself more closely with non west. and by doing that, you know, sort of strengthening this multi polar world that it wants to see. or what do you

think about that? do you think that se utopian ideology thing that has some kernel of truth to? okay, so let's, let's upgrade a couple of issues who laid out very clearly and she's hearing snitch lasha had said, i mean we'd spoken german at the end of the all the walls. and so we're looking forward to europe, new home. and i clearly identified rushing where you are and then your ration and then you know, 7 years later he gets up and he says, you have like us to expand into areas. you said you would not, you will not allow us to have a home to. we are therefore no choice with the try to destroy the go against the

international order that you created. that is a nation a what the rush he expresses. so no one would be surprised that you know, russia. yeah, we do not like this international lead ordered by us, but you goes along with because it is not fair. other countries there is a multicultural. and that can be clearly illustrated by what's been happening on its own way, mexico, on its own way. right. you know, i mean, quite clearly things have shifted in that direction now. well, how, shaking the world economy arrives. how does it lie from this on? fortunately, i, you know, it could be from the ash because right now we're talking about shortage and power shorter. and these are going to affect a country. i'm talking about the middle east africa. these are countries in

asia, countries not happen. where with all the compete, clued at the prices that they're going to be, they do not have to wear it all people without who cannot live. without energy, you cannot move your economy. and without it your economy, you cannot pay your each national debt. this is why i have a very good outlook on the situation. now what the u. s. over will power should be doing it this way. recognizing that the critical time is about the survival of the human race. well mr. chang and we are also at a very critical point in our conversation because we need to take a break now. but then we'll be back in just a few moments. ah .

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and i do so as you know that way, if you don't mind a . mm mm. mm hm. welcome back to one of the forth with a their king senior fellow, and they tied her institute, mr. king. and before the break, we were talking about the bit of ripple effect that the ukrainian crisis is causing around or well then obviously the russia is bearing a lot of pain. the most pain from it, because of the western attempts to cut it off completely from the rest of the

global economy. and as challenging as it is both for the russian government and for the russian people. i'm hearing a paradoxical idea here in moscow that you know this amount, if a cannot make and that geopolitical suffering right now may actually inoculate russia against greater please. if you years down the line of when the western lat, western center, it says system will disintegrate. even further, now obviously russia hasn't choice at this point of time, but do you think other countries may also think about it about perhaps lowering diet dependence on the west or you know, trying to establish our own self sufficiency and survival ability. in the case, similar sanctions are applied to them or a fag them for no reason of their own making. well, yeah, one of the major issues that people haven't really talked about it,

russia able to partners. this will be another example who is truly most like a, you know, catch everybody. if you don't go along, you'll be crush me. let's look at the history of change in your years in iran, bennett, where you have cuba launch. it hasn't changed in right now, how, how russia deals with the news going to be very, very important about whether in the movement towards not only a multi whole one in which economic activities market and production are increasingly moving. as is rush, my not, not my choice. so in terms of how, how russia they do that, a lot of is one of the things that is most noticeable as we talked about with us,

was thinking that we crush your economy, lead by dollars, and therefore your precious paper are well rules. well, it's actually above where it was. so i mean, at this juncture, there's a certain independence. so when you start looking at your integration, you're seeing less of american info, and that is going to be traumatic. don't want to celebrate that us. why percent of the people, julian 20 percent of that demand goes away, there will be additional hardships. so right now, yes, russia is very well placed because we have energy who may not have all the extra luxuries. there might be problems getting parts of things, but eventually the supply lines will be filled up media from brazil,

from china, host country right now, the national class trying to make it mean that one who no one line not in this situation, but the fact majority in the world not only one, but also population, that is actually not interest war that will take us. if that is attractive, you start mr. turn in the makeup of this new world order. it's just a clinic and accessible depend on what kind of relationship the countries will pursue. and i think the example of russia and china over the last couple of decades is quite instructive here because both capital like decide their relationship as the, as a model for other countries. they see, you know, i tries the way they are structured as a container within the which immediate challenges, hardships,

competing interest will be held. i've heard both the russians and try to just said, that's who'd be a good model to proceed. you agree with that? do you think it could be extrapolated other countries? do you ultimately think the jewel politics has reached the point where various countries can put the strategic shares, concerns above needed one side of gain? i depends on the country and their situation. i mean, i do a lot of work on the i was very well educated in the person who in ministry was talking about high ideal about the democracy, about liberalism, all of these things the next moment. the 2nd part is answer was all about what they're creating. the so, i mean, you either have these ideals and you try to follow them. or you just say every now,

this is really the danger of emerging international or that with multiple world people start fracturing, they just say, well, with every, every country for themselves. and i do think that nations like russia, china, actually us in europe as major players, is leaders, have to lead my example. and that means less wars, less selling of arms like that. and i don't just us, i mean, across the board. i don't know how it has made life better for anybody. you look in the united states right now, going to problem was we don't have enough. i would say the problem was we have to, you mentioned the couple of individuals who have benefit from it. maybe it's about them at the end of the day. yeah, well, right now, i mean, europe is awake, the us positioning out to be the bread basket of europe

and also the energy supplier. and that is not something that everybody you're comfortable with because they're very aware that the u. s. has course whenever a lot was necessary for the united states on other countries. and i'm talking about the terrace now where we're only one election away from going right back to where donald trump was. all right, and then you can after him, you can have another flip flop. how do you run a world country when you're constantly locking back between medical ideas and it's just, it's just not possible in this media undoing or united inability to plan to provide a predictable future business on it. you know, people have to know that they can plan if they can't do that,

there's no way for lation is a massive we should some people in the united states feel that by you lose the house. and probably when that happens, if you haven't workable government and as he just mentioned, the inflation is, is a problem, not only for the united states, but very much for the rest of the world. and i think this is also what makes our seemingly abstract apps are discussion much less abstract because this lofty concepts like our world order has a direct impact on the prize of a loaf of bread in the local supermarket. then many people around the world, they seeing it right now, but that wasn't today case. that wasn't the case even a decade ago, the united states was able to conduct many wars without its population ever feel filling effective. what do you think has changed in the world? to bring that home to make,

the americans fill the pinch of the actions that their government is initiating on their behalf. well, we did feel pain. i'm not gonna stand with them last year. we've been playing wars. there's no strategy to win. ability to lose, we're all going to have her job. never knew about it. i mean, he may have gotten some news on the he's last wasn't about it because he was being financed with there was 4 trillion dollars between right and more. you don't notice that because you don't pay that we government. but right now the u . s. situation where it's overloaded with data, especially because more than that. and they're not in a position where they can even have a traffic changing monetary policy. in order to do that, you have the fed,

which is pushing the country into a recession, if not, depression, doesn't meet up in their mind at any mission to we inflate the economy after you know, the worst was the fact is raising race at the fed level. is great, tertiary economy, jobs the amount of the nation's et cetera, but it does not make one little read and it does not create one barrel of oil, and those are chronic shorter hughes hall, my current situation logistic when also situation ukraine. they don't understand that. and this is what is really bothersome when you have a really smart people who are doing really dumb things and it just feel, well, i think the question is still open of how smart they are. and i think that brings us to these long discussion about. 1 what constitutes good

governance, because from the chinese perspective, what is and effective governance is a craving some basic conditions for, you know, good, productive human life and development. rather than feeding people are some on ideological ideas of why freedom is it, is more beneficial than the so called photography. the americans are still framing on that politics in this way of freedom versus, or liberty versus a talker. so do you think that's, that's an effective narrative in this day in age? do you think other countries, by the lot in the united states, i mean you have people on opposite sides of the mentally willing to engage in a civil war. that's what we had with the small people who literally wanted to tear down the society area. many of the people were in the armed forces.

the police americans had heart medicine america. so yeah, you know, it's ideal that you know everything is solved by a valid remark. and free speech. it doesn't work. and you know right out in china, if you ask people if that's what they tell you. absolutely not a look. and hor, done the violence united states, the division people. why against you know, house? oh sure. i want to give you a vaccine on, i'm sorry, my, my, my disease to everybody. that's my right. where are the responsibility then in china? you know, they go on the other side responses society responsibility ahead in nutri desires. but it's not about right there are right, the responsibility,

the individual, and then you ask, it has become magnified and how can i possibly have like if i haven't and you have politicians who are out there playing, playing with these kind of nonsense. and all it is need more than they want power, but they have no idea what they're going to accept christ trying to create more with mr. king and the parents. they didn't get any more than a stick in the 2nd part of our discussion. but we have to leave it here. thank you very much for your insights today. and thank you for watching hope here again on the well, the part, ah with

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is the aggressor today. i'm authorizing the additional strong sanctions today. russia is the country with the most sanctions imposed against it. a number that's constantly growing. but i figure which of the problem was the question, as you speak on the bill in your senior, mostly mine or wish you were banding all imports of russian oil and gas new g. i g with joe by imposing these sanctions on russia has destroyed the american economy. so there's your boomerang. ah,

i think all this fuss around extra supply c crane has only one goal. that is to drag out the military conflict as long as possible. and his 1st interview, since the start to the complete vladimir putin criticizes the huge amount of weapons been sent ukraine. the russian forces are tracking them like not it's going to more voices from the u. s. coal on kit to make concessions to moscow. the retired u. s. general says you claim like the military capability to defeat russia, there is no way that the crane and who have enough combat power to keep the russians out of ukraine as well. and so what does that look like in the, in gay? under the intense lighting continues in ukraine are the follows russian forces using drones to locate an attack ukrainian position right now they're anticipate.