this is alex with aa 3 civilians are killed in the done yet. people's republic of the area continues to come under intense artillery fire that dozens of missiles were reportedly launched by ukrainian forces. also ahead with the more long reaching the weapon systems you'll be shipping to ukraine, defer that we will push the line which falls the northeast from threatening our country, rushes foreign minister a warrant the with against it's continuous flow of weapons to ukraine. with conflict grinds on, a number of western media and politicians alike move away from the previous key

ever will wind styles to questioning whether there will be a victory for ukraine out all with broadcasting for moscow. this is our t. my name's unit o'neill and 30 minutes of news and views start free people are reported kill to on their own. 10 more civilians injured after heavy shelling in the done yes. people's republic continued for a 3rd day on monday. local officials, same be attacks, were carried out by ukrainian forces. ah, so 5 more civilians lost their lives and more than 20 were wounded by artillery fire over the weekend than yet. sc authorities claimed around 70 missiles were fired up the region from grad rocket launchers, which can shoot several missiles simultaneously. kia hasn't yet commented on the

attack. for schools, a kindergarten and residential building suffered heavy damage. ortiz room on culture of reports from the city. the ground here in the nest was shaking once again as f 5 city districts came on, their heavy artillery fire from ukraine, at least as 70 rounds from multiple rocket launchers were used against civilians and civilian infrastructure. at least 3 people have been killed and dead and wounded. now several apartment buildings caught on fire. cars were damaged by shrapnel as well. now we are hearing reports about storage facilities with construction materials, also catching on fire. now, water supply facility was also damaged here and done as come yet to hear about any damage to military infrastructure as ukraine continues to target peaceful civilians

. and that their infrastructure as well. now this have been happening, it has been intensifying over the past 3 months, and i hear internet's kaz civilian casualties continue to mount, not only here, but in the rest of the nest people's republic as well. but meanwhile, the russian defense ministry has confirmed russian troops of successfully pushed back to ukrainian military units in a village in the north of the done yet so republic, thereby preventing their advance in the earlier but not just commerce is to put those in under the onslaught of the russian troops, the remnants of the crane and on the forces brigades, they were cut off from the main forces and supplies due to the destruction of the bridge by the great and nationalist units, abandoned their weapons and equipment and dispersed along the coast up to 80 soldiers swam across the river. the russian troops deliberately restrained from opening fire on them. we view the refusal of the ukraine and military to defend the

nationalist lead key for jim as the only right decision, not covetous. russia is foreign minister, has worn the west against its continuous flow of weapons to cave jim de la boon, the more long reaching the weapon systems you'll be shipping to ukraine. the further we will push the line, which bars the neo nazis from threatening our country. you will, sir gale of ralph also. sab, it's impossible to take seriously the promises of ukrainian presidency. lensky not to strike at russian territory with the new weapons. mister love, roth claim kia vase quote. simply laughing when washington said it believe the promised not to shoot up russia alter during the press conference, the minister insisted that in order to resume grain exports from the black sea, the ports their 1st half to be de mind by ukraine. while the country's top diplomat pointed as well to the long ties established between russia and europe friendly relations that to day are seemingly forgotten. unusual bullshit. bushes through the

western countries of facing more and more problems inside their countries. and not only because their social and economic policies lead them to a dead end, but also because more and more sane europeans are starting to ask why make an enemy out of russia? more and more people are remembering the way we together with many european states, wrote a great and glorious history. ukrainian president love mercy lensky today. stress key and is being pushed towards on favorable agreements with russia. comes of some western media outlets on politicians seem to be edging away from their previous victory for key about all costs. stones questions have been raised that run against the, nor it's ranging from whether ukraine should consider territorial concessions to reach peace to pondering if the country can win at all. if t f and moscow are headed for a multi year or even multi decade, frozen conflict, we will need to push ukraine towards its most realistic rather than its most

ambitious military strategy. morale among the ukrainian troops is reportedly suffering. brushing command is a concentrating massive firepower on ukrainian positions. what has happened of the past several months is western politicians, western media, the mainstream media, which have complete dominance agony over the information's fear in the west. they, they built this, this bubble of unreality, an alternate reality in which they misled millions of people into, believe it into believing what was happening in ukraine. and what is happening now is this is this bubble. it is, it is beginning to pop because what, what are they hopeful? western politicians and pundits. they had hoped that the russian military offensive would collapse and that ukraine would go on the offensive when back it's, it's territories, as they claim they did everything, everything that they could to achieve these goals. and none of them,

none of them are achieved. ergo, you have by now saying things like this, it steer territory. i'm not going to tell them what they shoot and shouldn't do. but it appears to me that at some point along the line, there's going to have to be in negotiated settlement here. and what that entails, i don't know. they had hoped to isolate russia, they boasted for months that russia was completely isolated, the, it was an outcast. then what do you have? you have the hill, for example, a very pro ukrainian outlet. now now writing admitting that deleted that out of the $195.00 countries in the world, only have joined in to some degree not as looking at all the empty shovel supermarkets and the price is then going, haven't we shot ourselves with the sanction? you also have, for example, the new york times, which as we can keep isaac black check, steve quank, there's been no result. what has been the result, the ukrainian military is on the defensive and it is being routed more and more

units of surrendering. you have the times saying that ukrainian morale is dropping at catastrophic levels. you have no illusions, western military offices, nato military offices, general staffs, they will understand very well. the situation in ukraine. russia has a heck of a lot of comment our de la ukrainians. and so there is no way that the ukrainians will ever destroy or defeat the russians. there is no way that the ukrainians will ever have enough combat. are they cheap the russians outta ukraine as well? and so what does that look like in the, in game, the more this war goes on, we never know if that's gonna weight. and then they will lack the ability to go to the bargaining table and a position of strength and may lose more than they intended. yeah, interesting commentary isn't it. and with those headlines with those stories

emerging morale as well. you've got and at the same time, the u. s. other western countries continuing their arms supplies to kia. what's going on there? why did the virgins, of course, that they're there. they're continuing those because they fed the, the sly, the people that if we all knew grand, it's going to when they caught suddenly over, not stop with all these supplies and shipments and say, look, that they are changing anything. they're just, they're just dragging these conflicts out. nevertheless, that, look, many people have this illusion, but all these weapons that a said to ukraine, they end up on the front lines and they're used against russia. most, i would say most never reach the front lines every day. they are targeted, they're destroyed. this is something that the media and the western military outlets of concealed from the and out of those the reach the front lines. plenty are also captured by, by russian forces and slowly, slowly, ever so soon,

the media is starting to admit that you know, everything is in fine and dandy as they had led people to believe. despite pledges of tanks, artillery and u. s. rocket systems, the ukranian front lines continue to be populated by at times dangerously ill equipped fighters. they are lacking bullets and extra magazines for the rifles. one canadian fighter said the reality on the ground is, is very different and slowly. as you can see, that that bubble that they had built up is beginning to bus. and ukraine is just one hot spots in none extremely volatile global situation at the moment with tensions and other conflicts, leaving many to ask are we living through a period of change that will be sustained to delve further into that? i'm delighted to welcome live. busy on to the program mohammed arthur, java, director general of the pakistan house international think tank to discuss that at current geopolitical situation. you're most welcome to the program,

sir. thank you very much. recent events are, are changing global politics. that much is clear, but do you think at just the start with the big one 1st? are we living under a new world order? yeah, i would say actually there was a world order or different bold order. i'd be new world order can be categorized in terms of how the west is looking at the other half of the word. and that means that on the one hand, there is a supreme dichotomy in beer articulation of the wall daughter. at the, on the other hand, there is a glaring, as we say, contacts is appearing, that there is a changing resetting of what was before. the, you know, special operations of russia, special operations in ukraine. the 2nd point, which i would say, which makes sense to all of us that the euro centric and the u. s. centric and the

west centric policies. more or less had been and created lot of trouble has been creating lot of trouble for the developing countries. for only one mattered. i think the sanction the gym has paralyzed many economies. i have to say that from the world bank i m f, all of that institution. the 2nd point in relation to what we think that the new world order is, is, is on his way already than the making is the cloud. which other than breast has it, which breast has never accepted an undermining 2 different propaganda warfare. this also makes sense to all of us that on the ground realities are being translated into manufacturing of content. but the public is a, it we're not aware of. and that is also part of that, as

a said the previous while daughter, the new world order, i would say also can be categorized in terms of how he, one country or set of countries stand up to one narrative. the construct that only the rest and way to deal with any issue is correct one. and if the west make some rules, it is everyone has to follow. the issue here is there is i'm in entire isha for example, southeast asia, middle east, a large majority of countries. if you look at them, you will find out that it is only a matter of opportunity when you ask them about the issue. they will speak up, but frankly i'm looking at to reset the button. the button is reset. in the bossed special operation, ukraine and the war. the wall, especially the west and the united states,

actually has shown his deaton by what was an assumption on the part of many this international analyst myself, was back in years, i was thinking that the expansion of nato was towards ease, would bring some sort of combination to a confrontation, i didn't know at the time i'm talking about back in 25 years ago. for example, i or to piece on that based on what was, what was the, the state craft of the security and foreign policy at that time and how sustainably to happen. even last year, i actually were basically in an in forum in moscow. and so she basically either is disappoint exactly that. what was that can be the intention because it is a preemption which prevents a risks and mitigates risk. and i think in this case the one sided do

feed news feed, which goes to the war must be countered on the ground realities. but that comes as well from leaders in the west, doesn't it? when they talk about the world, they're talking about europe, the u. s other western countries. increasingly, i think since the beginning of the ukraine conflict, we're seeing that being redressed somewhat because he's got china, india, pakistan saying, well hold on you're, you're not, you're not talking for us as well. we want to make her own decisions there. and i think it has that be more to the forefront of western leaders mine since the start of the ukraine conflict. i think it came later to be honest because they were under the perception or view that when they will say that this is the reward will make the decision to of the western world in meaning. this didn't happen because the countries made their own minds up. they looked at their own national interest workers and the respectively made the decisions when the during the voting boss

wanting yes, focus on also in among those good dislike, other that peaceful solution of the conflict is important. but the resolution of any conflict has to be from the position negotiation should be made on the position from the strength, not from the weakness, critical fantasy on the part of the western powers. which not that it may be a narrative rhetoric that they consider that they can get away with whatever they want to do with any developing country. what example all or you know, imposed on other countries, had shown a very bad result, unpopular to see and making, even at their home. i mean, the popular opinion in the united states have been to withdraw force broadcast on from iraq, from libya, from the states that even if ne, to, and all, and something. for example, i'm asking the saying hypothetically,

in their own capital will not be liked because it, when it's like more, as they said, one sided. you have to every conflict, always and on a negotiation turban in drafting some kind of agreement, conversion fears to me that it may take some time. but the issue countries, i think they do understand that they should speak for their national interest. and they should stand up if they have to. and if they don't, then they can also be narrative. and does that mean another? is it coming to a head or has it actually is sticking the ground saying we've moved on? it's going to be very hard to know when that happens, but is it in the process of occurring western dominance coming to, to a close? well, to me, if you ask, ask, i think is the process process has started. i mean, they will never to accept this a political defeat that they accepted. ok. we failed in all these countries. we

could not maintain peace. we loss trillions of dollars. and we had to leave in some kind of, you know, a submission to the countries and then in afghanistan included. so that means the 3 actually, the processing he already might have started. but what is the require on the part of russia and china and other countries without being like blocked that we are block, we dont have to say that because block is very limited. it's better you say that to me, the majority of the opinion is anti imposing course of diplomacy. and course of diplomacy would never get any result. and we have seen this time after time again sanctioned regimes always fight back. and during sanction, most of the country is progress, much more strongly. i give you box some example that bucks on face so many kind of

big as some inked an amendment. and this and that presler all the way to many, many years from the united states and pakistan rather came out very strong economically technologically. and most important b as an integrity and respect and honor of the country leadership and dear values. because this is popular. if your leader is strong and she she can pronounce said, says vocabulary is good, strong digging to see in, in the national interest or the right time. that makes actually quite a country very honorable. can you give us a sense of how the east now sees the west has that changed since the conflict again? where east has a one comparison there make for example, i can give you an assessment. these say that all right, all this human rights,

all this destruction, this show and propagate whatever happened the ukraine. but what did on the member that any one of them can come out. they came out after very many, hundreds of thousands of people killed millions refugees in iraq, for example. or we were wrong at the time. and then they went to syria, they had a problem, then they went to libya. so they are looking at somebody that the rest should have stood there when they have initiated all the unit was, but did refuse to accept the responsibility. so. so then how does, how did people in those countries feel when joe biden, for instance, goes to islamabad or a new delhi and says, e must stand with this on the issue of, of sanctions against russia. it's for your own good interest. you must follow the wesley guy. i do not know about india, to be honest, i can tell from bucks on his hide as a, as a head of

a think tank. absolutely not. it will never happen. president biden can come to islamabad. then he can ask that we stand in favor of you us. no, yes, united nations rules are different. because as a member of the united nation box on always follow united nation resolution. but united states and rest of these sanction that a uni latrell without taking into consideration international law. but as you will know, there's a lot of pressure against countries such as pakistan to follow the u. s. will. will they withstand that? nor had they haven't stood until now. i think they will not stand then. yes, we do. sphere. we're and support a peaceful, negotiated settlement of the conflict. death said beyond, if a country wants us to do dictate us that you should know because the u. s. and other countries dictate on interests more seriously than a popular opinion. so in that way, i do not think that it will happen,

it have that has not happened. and it will not happen it at all and hasn't been in bold in since the start of the conflict that, that countries in your there does it where you had the water line right up. we had a lot of pressure and the box on the government previous, and this one took it very formidably and or, and we, as they said, we had a great relation to the ukraine as well. there was no issue between box, i'm ukraine, and we keep that we are, but it is impossible that the united states and other countries desires to abandon or see because she has this sort of box on those shared relationship in the past 20 years. going to a very positive trajectory, and we are of the opinion that this m time, the so dish in countries and other countries has a great exempt when the rest decides to something in dear interest. when the global challenges there, they will not. they think that they, you're, when it comes to economic issues and energy, for instance,

have asian countries been feeling can amik brunt of the conflict. and with that in mind, how do you think, lee, i through the dynamics of, of that region aah! from ukraine and other countries, and it's the fact that it was supplying, and we'd like we bucks on felt pressure like other countries is on the part of energy. i think russia can be a great partner for box sun in the rush and already boxed on box stream. this, the prodigal issues are being dissolved and i think in may, you will future that there will be a development in box that really needs energy and green and wheat all that. and it is important for us once on. and that's one of the reason that we, we lose disc, otherwise, boxes and we had this issue. i'm sure we will resolve that one as well. but for right now, i think if you ask me that yes, the south asian countries had a pressure, india included. and i know india resolve the issue by buying the oil according to the ports. yes. so, and by and add much,

much different rates according to the market. and that, of course helps them cache and others to a, to take this opportunity out of this crisis. because this crisis is also give you a paternity. so we have to really maintain this balance that we're, as all was ended agreements, bees, bees. and this too shall pass and i think it is a very important we all have to understand that the yes, these developing countries have the pressure populist pressure as well due to economic issues. and they included all countries not boxed on on the but, but something that something they say that is not heard as much in the west from governments. is that it's not just what's occurring in ukraine. and russia is the problem, as you say, there are dry tissues. we've just come through a pandemic in the west. it seems to be the entire fall hootin. there seems to be

more of a reasonable response to what's happening right now in the east and possibly the west could come. i would say yes because addict, they should take the tips and we today, we talked about this that only on the account of, for president putin's statement about that the prism of expression doesn't give you the right to insult the profit or and you, religious figure has under him, so much popularity that you know, i started last months are here on it for him. that actually you combine 57 countries may be the leaders. president, beauty popular in the public. and this, without any effort from any one, is just a principal stance which she took in dissolve to make things if people in the alignment of their ideological battles that you cannot really yip into a lawn. small statement has unlim lot of us that there is something wrong in

understanding of the conflict. and also why would rested this diamond has become very close. now. allies in the eyes still, of course, on a different trajectory because they are weighing dear options. ok in cruising with the united states or distributive partnership. what can i talk about pakistan? let's just try get through some subjects. we've got a little bit of time left. but priest the u. s. hatching a conspiracy to take him out of his position. washington at sent a threat through an end, but if you can, remains in power, they will not forgive pakistan a how likely are those claims? i am where duper alright. i think let, let me clearly clarify this one. first of all, i think it's so it was very much politicized. yes, there war or whoa. words used by an under secretary from a diplomatic point of view, which language was not acceptable. and it was considered as buckeye saw the

national security council meeting twice with every chief of the you know, the intelligence chiefs and all those lesson they concluded after the investigation that it was as regular interventions, like using this kind of language. but, and they were issued demarche to them a warning as well. but that's it. you know, in countries relations it happens. but to going to that extent, i think it, it was not protected, incorrect because of the most important institution pakistan have investigated this themselves, which are not really a securely say that all i this is like, man, this is on, but no, i think it's, i think he deserved this is not the premises of the argument. now if i ask if he tell you this a us box undulation in the past years, of course, because box and facilitated in of bonds doha piece process like the shampoo to

slant china, we want a stable of con, his son. so we are not being affected. so i think in that we, i would say to you that box and u. s. relation right now are the same as they were before. okay. yeah we, we just have to end it there because of time only, but thank you so much for your time and your thoughts the i most enjoyed it. mohammed arthur job it, director general of the pakistan house international. thank. thank you. and that takes us right up to the break and deeper don't go too far. as more programs get there, start in moments i'm una neil saying good bye for now. ah ah.