ah ah 3 civilians are killed in the done yet. people's republic of the area continues to come under intense artillery fire that dozens of missiles were reportedly launched by ukrainian forces. also ahead with building up with the more long reaching the weapon systems you'll be shipping to ukraine. defer that we will push the line which falls the knee of ne, from threatening our country, rushes foreign minister, a warrant, the west against it's continuous flow of weapons to ukraine. the conflict grinds on a number of western media and politicians alike move away from the previous key ever will wind styles to questioning whether there will be

a victory for ukraine out all with broadcasting for moscow. this is our t. my name's unit o'neill and 30 minutes of news and views start out. free people are reported kill to on their own. 10 more civilians injured after heavy shelling and that done yet. people's republic continued for a 3rd day on monday. local officials, same be attacks, were carried out by ukrainian forces. ah, so 5 more civilians lost their lives and more than 20 were winded by artillery fire over the weekend than yet. sc authorities claimed around 70 missiles were fired up the region from grad rocket launchers, which can shoot several missiles simultaneously. kia hasn't yet commented on the

attack. for schools, a kindergarten and residential building suffered heavy damage. ortiz, romano, culture of reports from the city. the ground here in the nest was shaking once again as f 5 city. this freaks came on zer, heavy artillery fire from a ukraine, at least as 70 around from multiple rocket launchers were used against civilians and civilian infrastructure. at least 3 people have been killed and that and wounded. now several apartment buildings caught on fire. cars were damaged by shrapnel as well. now we are hearing reports about storage facilities with construction materials, also catching on fire. now, water supply facility was also damaged here and done as come yet to hear about any damage to military infrastructure as ukraine continues to target peaceful civilians and their, their infrastructure as well. now, this have been happening,

it has been intensifying over the past 3 months. i hear in dennis kaz civilian casualties continued to manage and not only here but in the rest of the nest people's republic as well. but meanwhile, the russian defense ministry house confirmed russian troops of successfully pushed back to ukrainian military units in a village in the north of the done yet sc republic. thereby preventing their advance in the earlier but not just commerce is to fathers in under the onslaught of the russian troops, the remnants of the crane and on the forces brigades were cut off from the main forces and supplies due to the destruction of the bridge by the great nationalists units abandoned their weapons and equipment and dispersed along the coast. up to 80 soldiers swam across the river. the russian troops deliberately restrained from opening fire on them. we view the refusal of the ukraine and military to defend the nationalist lead key for jim as the only right decision not covered this. russia's

foreign minister has worn the west against it's continuous flow of weapons to keep . jim de la boyd knew the more long reaching the weapons systems you'll be shipping to ukraine, the fur that we will push the line. which bars the neo nazis from threatening our country. you will, sir gale of ralph also said, it's impossible to take seriously the promises of ukrainian presidency. lensky not to strike at russian territory with the new weapons, missed her lover off claim kia voss, quote, simply laughing when washington said it believe the promised not to shoot up russia . also during the press conference, the minister insisted that in order to resume grain exports from the black sea, the ports their 1st half to be de mind by ukraine, while the country's top diplomat pointed as well to the long ties established between russia and europe friendly relations that to day are seemingly forgotten,

unusual bullshit, bushes through the western countries of facing more and more problems inside their countries. and not only because their social and economic policies lead them to a dead end. but also because more and more sane europeans is starting to ask, why make an enemy out of russia? more and more people are remembering the way we together with many european states, wrote a great and glorious history. ukrainian presidents love mercy lensky today, stress key and is being pushed towards on favorable agreements with russia that comes of some western media outlets on politicians seem to be edging away from their previous victory for key at all costs. dance questions have been raised that run against the north of ranging from whether ukraine should consider territorial concessions to reach peace to pondering if the country can win at all. if cheers and moscow are headed for a multi year or even multi decade, frozen conflict, we will need to push ukraine towards its most realistic rather than its most ambitious military strategy. morale among the ukrainian troops is reportedly

suffering brushing command as a concentrating massive firepower on ukrainian positions. what has happened of the past several months is western politicians, western media, the mainstream media, which have complete dominance again many over the information's fear in the west. they, they built this loose bubble of unreality, an alternate reality in which they misled millions of people into believe it into believing what was happening in ukraine. and what is happening now is this is this bubble. it is, it is beginning to pop because what, what are they hopeful? western politicians and pundits. they had hoped that the russian military offensive would collapse and that ukraine would go on the offensive when back it's, it's territories, as they claim they did everything, everything that they could to achieve these goals. and none of them, none of them are achieved. ergo, you have by now saying things like this,

it steer territory. i'm not going to tell them what they shoot and shouldn't do. but it appears to me that at some point along the line, there's going to have to be in negotiated settlement here. and what that entails, i don't know. they had hoped to isolate russia, they boasted for months that russia was completely isolated, the, it was an outcast. then what do you have? you have the hill, for example, a very pro ukrainian outlet. now, now writing admitting that no russia isn't isolated, that out of the $195.00 countries in the world, only $65.00 have joined in to some degree not entirely on western sanctions against russia, china, india, brazil, mexico, and indonesia. many, many, let's continue to do business with russia. continue buying more and more of russian exports. at the same time, you have consumers in the west looking at looking at petrol station prices,

looking at all the empty shelves and supermarkets and the price is then going. how would we shot ourselves with the sanction? you also have, for example, the new york times, which as we can keep rising black checks the grades, there's been a result. what has been the result? the ukrainian military is on the defensive and it is being routed more and more units of surrendering. you have the times saying that ukrainian morale is dropping at catastrophic levels. you have no illusions west and military offices, nato military offices, general staffs, they will understand very well. the situation in ukraine. russia has a heck of a lot of comment our de la ukrainians, and so there is no way that the ukrainians will ever destroy our defeat. the russians. there is no way to ukraine and will ever have enough combat our cheek, the russians, outta ukraine as well. and so what does that look like in the,

in game, the more this war goes on, we never know if that's going away. and then they will lack the ability to go to the bargaining table and a position of strength. they may lose more than they intended. interesting commentary, isn't it. and with those headlines with those stories emerging morale as well. you've got and at the same time the u. s other western countries continuing their arm supplies to kia if what's going on there? why did the virgins, of course, that they're there, they're continuing those because they fed the, the sly, the people that if we are you grand, it's going to, when they can suddenly over not stop with all these supplies and shipments and say, look, that they are changing anything they're just, they're just dragging these conflicts out. nevertheless, that, that look, many people have this illusion, but all these weapons that a said to ukraine, they end up with the frontline than they used against russia. most i would say most

never reach the front lines every day. they are targeted that the shore. this is something that the media and the western military outlets of concealed from the public. and out of those the reach the front lines, pledge via also captured by, by russian forces and slowly, slowly, ever so soon, the media is starting to admit that you know, everything is in fine and dandy as they had led people to believe. despite pledges of tanks, artillery and u. s. rocket systems, the ukranian front lines continue to be populated by at times dangerously ill equipped fighters. they are lacking bullets and extra magazines for the rifles. one canadian fighter said, the reality on the ground is, is very different and slowly, as you can see, that that bubble that they had built up is beginning to bust. land. ukraine is just one hot spots in none extremely volatile global situation at the moment with tensions and other conflicts,

leaving many to ask are we living through a period of change that will be sustained to delve further into that? i'm delighted to welcome live. busy on to the program mohammed arthur, java, director general of the pakistan high international think tank to discuss that at current geopolitical situation. you're most welcome to the program, sir. thank you very much. recent events are, are changing global politics. that much is clear, but do you think just to start with the big one 1st? are we living under a new world order? yeah, i would say actually there was a world order different bold order. i'd be new world order can be categorized in terms of how the west is looking at the other half of the word. and that means that on the one hand, there is a supreme dichotomy in beer articulation of the wall daughter. at the, on the other hand, there is a glaring, as we say, context is appearing,

that there is a changing a resetting of what was before the air, you know, special operations of russia, special operations in ukraine. the 2nd point, which i would say, which makes sense to all of us that the euro centric and the you with centric and the west centric policies. more or less had been and created lot of trouble has been creating lot of trouble for the developing countries. for only one mattered, i think the sanction the gym has paralyzed many economies. i have to say that from the world bank i m f, all of that institution. the 2nd point in relation to what we think that the new world order is, is, is on his way already than the making is the cloud. which other, that breast has it, which breast has never accepted and undermining 2 different propaganda warfare.

this also makes sense to all of us that on the ground the realities are being translated into manufacturing of content, but the public is a, it we're not aware of. and that is also part of that. as they said the previous while daughter, the new world order, i would say also can be categorize in terms of how he, one country or set of country stand up to one narrative. the construct that only the rest and way to deal with any issue is correct one. and if the west make some rules, every one has to follow. the issue here is there is i'm in entire isha for example, southeast asia, middle east, a large majority of countries. if you look at them,

you will find out that it is only a matter of opportunity when you ask them about the issue. they will speak up, but frankly i'm looking at to reset the button. the button is reset in the post special operation, ukraine and the war. the wall, especially the west and the united states, actually has shown his deaton by what was an assumption on the part of many this international analyst myself, was back in years, i was thinking that the expansion of nato was towards ease, would bring some sort of combination to a confrontation, i didn't know at the time i'm talking about back in 25 years ago. for example, i wrote a piece on that based on what was, what was the, the state craft of the security and foreign policy at that time and how sustainable it happened. even last year, i actually were basically in an in forum in moscow. and so she basically either is

disappoint exactly that. what was that can be the intention because it is a preemption which prevents risks and mitigates risk. and i think in this case that the one sided do feed news feed, which goes to the war, must be countered on the ground realities. but that comes as well from leaders in the west, doesn't it? when they talk about the world, they're talking about europe, the u. s. other western countries. increasingly, i think since the beginning of the ukraine conflict, we're seeing that being redressed somewhat because you've got china, india, pakistan saying, well, hold on you're, you're not, you're not talking for us as well. we want to make our own decisions there. and i think it has that be more to the forefront of western leaders mine since the start of the ukraine conflict. i think it came later to be honest because they were under

the perception or view that when they will say that this is the reward will make the decision to of the western world in meaning. this didn't happen because the countries made their own minds up. they looked at their own national interest and the respectively made the decisions when the, during the voting boss wanting. yes, pakistan also in among those countries like other that peaceful resolution of the conflict is important. but the resolution of any conflict has to be from the position negotiation should be made on the position from the strength, not from the weakness. i think also there is a political fantasy on the part of the western powers, which now make sense, which i thought always that is maybe a not a table rhetoric that they consider that they can get away with whatever they want to do with any developing country what example,

all those walls previous wars are imposed on other countries, had shown a very bad result, unpopular to see and me, king, even at the home. i mean, the popular opinion in the united states have been to withdraw forced, rav connie's son from iraq from libya, from syria, all that demons states that even if need to, and all other countries to plan something. for example, i'm asking the same hypothetically. it will be publicly in their own capital will not be liked because at narrative, read the statements given. it's like more, as they said, one sided, you have to underst, we all have to understand that every conflict, always and on a negotiation table, all was an in drafting some kind of agreement convergence. i think in this case it appears to me that it may take some time. but i, on the other hand box on india,

russia, and other se sion. so this east asian countries, i think they do understand that they should speak for their national interest. and they should stand up if they have to. and if they don't, then they can also be, you know, lumped into the same narrative. and does that mean another big issue here that the ear of western dominance? is it coming to a head or has it actually passed already? because there's not going to be a stick in the ground saying we've moved on. it's going to be very hard to know when that happens. but is it in the process of occurring western dominance coming to, to a close? well, to me, if you ask, ask, i think is the process process has started. i mean, they will never to accept this a political defeat that they accepted. okay. we failed in all these countries. we could not maintain peace, we loss trillions of dollars and we had to leave in some kind of, you know,

a submission to the countries and then in afghanistan included. so that means the 3 actually the processing he already might have started. but what is the require on the part of russia and china and other countries without being like blocked that we are block, we dont have to say that because block is very limited. it's better you say that to me, the majority of the opinion is anti imposing course of diplomacy. and course of diplomacy would never get any result. and we have seen this time after time again sanctioned regimes always fight back. and during sanction, most of the country is progress, much more strongly. i give you pock son's example, that box on face so many kind of big is linked an amendment and this and that

presler all the way to many, many years from the united states. and pakistan rather came out very strong economically technologically. and most important b as an integrity and respect and honor of the country, the leadership and dear values. because this is popular if your leader is strong and he she can pronounce said say's vocabulary is good. strong, digging to see in, in the national interest had the right time. that makes actually quite a country very honorable. can you give us a sense of how the east now sees the west has that changed since the conflict again? where east has a one comparison that make, for example, i can give you an assessment. these say that all right, all this human rights, all this destruction, this show and propagate whatever happened the ukraine. but what did on remember

that any one of them can come out. they came out after very many hundreds of thousands of people could millions refugees in iraq, for example. or we were wrong at the time. and then they went to syria, they had a problem, then they went to libya. so they are looking at somebody that the rest should have stood there when they have initiated all the, you know, wars but did refuse to accept the responsibility. so. so then how does, how do people in those countries feel when joe biden, for instance, goes to islamabad or a new delhi and says, you must stand with this on the issue of, of sanctions against russia. it's for your own good interest. you must follow the wesley i, i do not know about india, to be honest. i can tell from bucks on his side as a, as it head off a think tank. absolutely not. it will never happen. president biden can come to islamabad. then he can ask that we stand in favor of us. no, yes,

united nations rules are different. because as a member of the united nation box on always follow united nation resolution. but united states and rest of these sanctioned that you need lateral without taking into consideration international law. but as you will know, there's a lot of pressure against countries such as pakistan to follow the u. s. will they with standard nor had they haven't stood until now? i think they will not stand then. yes, we do. sphere. we're and support a peaceful, negotiated settlement of the conflict. death sit beyond. if a country wants us to do dictate us that you should know because the u. s. and other countries dictate on interests more seriously than a popular opinion. so in that way, i do not think that it will happen, it have that has not happened and it will not happen it at all. and has there been

been in bold in since to start at the conflict that, that countries in your there that's where you had in water and right up we had a lot of pressure and a box on the government previous. and this one took it very formidably and or, and we, as they said, we had a great relation with ukraine as well. there was no issue between box, i'm ukraine, and we keep that we are, but it is impossible that the united states and other countries desires to abandon or say, because she has this sort of bach sanders. she had relationship in the past 20 years, going to we are very positive trajectory. and we are of the opinion that this conflict will be dissolved sooner or later. but at the same time, the south asian countries and other countries has a great example to know that when the rest decides to something in dear interest, they will come together. but when the global challenges there lot, they think that the european problem is everybody's problem is not the way now.

when it comes to economic issues and grain. energy for instance, have asian countries been feeling more do you think of the economic brunt of the conflict? and with that in mind, how do you think that kind of pin will play i through the dynamics of, of that region? look, we, we've been also, you know, having a wheat and grain are from ukraine and other countries and it's a fact that it was supplying, and we'd like we bucks on felt pressure like other countries. but we have also alternatives for example. and we are looking for alternatives on the part of energy . i think ratio can be a great partner for box sun in the russian already box on walk stream. this project is underway and there are several agreements subbing sign. some legal issues are being dissolved and i think in ne, you will see in may be near future that there will be a development in box that really needs energy and green and read all that. and it

is important for us just because we have this some time. irregular wants him monson and that's one of the reason that we we lose disc otherwise, bucks on has been great agriculture country on the recently we had this issue. i'm sure we will resolve that one as well. but for right now, i think if you ask me that yes, the south asian countries had a pressure, india included. and i know india does all the shoe by buying the oil according to reports. yes. so and by and at much, much different rates according to the market. and that, of course helps them economically and also helps of usher and others to a, to take this opportunity out of this crisis. because this crisis is also give you a paternity. so we have to really maintain this balance, that whereas all was ended agreements, bees, bees, and this too shall pass and i think it is

a very important we all have to understand that the yes, these developing countries have the pressure populous pressure as well due to economic issues, and they included all countries not boxed on on b, but, but something, something they say that is not heard as much in the west from governments. is that it's not just what's occurring in ukraine. and russia is the problem, as you say, there are dry tissues. we've just come through a pandemic in the west. it seems to be the entire faults of, of latimer putin. there seems to be more of a reasonable response to what's happening right now in the east and possibly the west could. could maybe take tips on? no, i would say yes because addict, they should take the bips and we read today. we talked about this that only on the account of, for president putin's statement about that the prism of expression doesn't give you the right to insult the profit or, and you,

religious figure has and him so much popularity that, you know, i stated last months here you know on a forum that actually you combine 57 countries may be the leaders, president putin had, has been very, very popular in the public. and this without any effort from anyone, is just a principal stance which she took in dissolved to make things right. that to keep people in an alignment of their ideological battles, that you cannot really use your freedom of expression. so this statement alone, small statement as an am lot of respect. that means that there is something wrong in understanding of the conflict. and also why would rested this time. and nato, for example, would expand because they understand that china and russia had become very close. now, allies in the i still, of course, on

a different trajectory because they are weighing dear options. ok in cruising with the united states or distributive partnership. what can i talk about? pakistan and new united states, a part of you will just try get through some subjects. we've got a little bit of time left. but former pakistan prime minister him around can accused the u. s. hatching a conspiracy to take him i to of his position washington at sent a threat through an envoy. it's alleged add that if you can remains in power. they will not forgive pakistan. how likely are those claims? i'm where do pakistan us relations go from here? all right, i think let, let me clearly clarify this one. first of all, i think it so it was very much politicized. yes, there war or whoa. words used by an under secretary from a diplomatic point of view, which language was not acceptable. and it was considered as buckeye saw the national security council meeting twice with every chief of the you know,

the intelligence chiefs and all those who hasn't. they concluded after their investigation that it was as regular interventions, like using this kind of language, but, and they were issued demarche to them wanting as well. but that's it. you know, income is relations, it happens. but to going to that extent, i think it, it was not protected, incorrect because of the most important institution pakistan have investigated this themselves, which are not really a securely said that all i this is like, man, if this is done by no, i think it's i think he deserved this is not the premises of the argument. now if i ask if he tell you this a us box on relation in the past years, of course, because box and facilitated in of hans doha piece process like russia, pakistan,

china, we want a stable of con, his son. so we are not being affected. so i think in that way i would say to you that box and us relation right now are the same as they were before. okay. yeah we, we just have to end it there because of time only. but thank you so much for your time and your thoughts the i most enjoyed it. mohammed arthur job it, director general of the pakistan house international. thank. thank you. and that takes us right up to the break and deeper don't go too far. more programs get there, start in moments time unit o'neil saying good bye for now. ah ah.