to go through a because that's what that solve on the problems and then ukraine would not have been able to be used as a stage to attract russia. it will cost to fix the problem with that rationale is that the warning the upgrade is putting pressure not only on russia, but pretty much from the rest of the world. because we see that in the form of skyrocketing with an appeal prices in many, many countries that have nothing to do with russia or ukraine are filling the pinch . now you've been pretty open about your use that you believe that these conflict in your credit is changing their current world order and that is pushing it towards a more multi polar arrangement with different power is going to compete with each other. do you think that new arrangements, whatever it's going to be, if you think going to be more or less violent than what we have at the moment? you know we are going to transition. we had the bipolar world

or this is a 2nd world war. you have united states and the soviet union, then after the end of so union americans thought they're going to have a uni polar role with united the 6 leaving that when this was about people like francis fukuyama talk to but in the history do the debate among the scholars, there's what americans wanted to do was actually achieve. there are some people who believe that americans never could establish really pull out all the people who believed they did it for maybe 15 or 18 years from the fall of the soviet union. and 2007 or 2008. and so there's a debate on that. but what we know now is that the world is moving toward the most

high polar system. and during this transition, you're going to see more difficulties. so you'd like to see countries trying to find ways of. busy improving the chances of actually being a greater power when the new world order is that should be settled down now. but as i, as, as we move away from the western centers system or as the system continues to disintegrate, do you think they will ever be a moment when countries like, let's say iran, russia been his elder and other nations that have, have had the experience of being sanctioned for a prolonged period of time, do you think they they will come to a point of appreciating that experience because it made them more self sufficient? could it saves them some pain as the transition period continue because

it's got this transition. i think we agree is going to be painful for many members of the international system has been under sanctions since 979 since the lucian is so used to factions and that experience of being on the sanctions and also continue to live and continue to prosper has done a lot in terms of building things that you need. sanctions, a lot of especially high tech devices, are not able to be sent to you don. so scientists, you in manufacturers manage to build a lot of things internally instead of relying on outside sources. it's going to be more difficult to do that. but once you do that, then you're going to be self sufficient. that is why, for example,

the military does not depend on the time from outside. they make all the things that they want internally. and that is going to be important. as you said, viewing this transition time, sanction to us 5 odyssey to cause difficulties for countries that are not following us dictates. and the more self sufficient you are, the less those factions are going to help you. and the more cooperation you are seeing amongst sanctioned countries. so for example, we had the huge rush and dedication in just a few days ago. russia relations are going to be much more now since the common problems are common enemies. and i think the same thing is going to be true with other countries that the us feels they need to pressure pressure. now, you mentioned before that they, if we accept that the direct confrontation between russia and the west or russian,

the united states was intentional, was just a matter of finding the right pretext. do you think all those ripple effects that the global economy is witnessing, or, and the american economies also with this thing, do you think that was sort of a factor then? because the americans are now facing unprecedented inflation, which is adding to already preexisting social pensions. and all of that will be crucial mid term elections bite in the ministrations approval ratings are among the lowest things in history. so do you think all of that was also, you know, part of the plan? you know, you may have heard that you need it. i feel the harmony has called the u. s. government mafia regime and been you said the how the us government works. you. busy realize that people interest the us citizens interest or the citizens of europe interest. other people's interest is not really

the 1st by the 1st priority for american politicians is to get re elected. and they get elected by raising millions of dollars and big oil companies. big manufactures other industries that benefit from war quite happy. you look at what they are doing in the u. s. a stock market in the last 3 months. and so that is going to be a priority, whether american people, the suffered or not, is going to be concerned what's going to be the 2nd look the test consent of people like president biden and other people who are in the white house. and that is why causing the kind of situation and then they realize that not only people

in the united states, but people in asia, in africa and other places are going to suffer. but american could care less about suffering of the people. but they care about the american official is basically benefiting the small the other gene that they're running and washing. but the purpose is that let me challenge you on this one because we both come from countries with a fairly large reserve war of resilience. you know, we've been exposed to harsh before, but the american population, by and large, i used to living pretty comfortable lives and i have a lot of friends in the states who are, who have been used to comfort. so who bought into all this ideological rhetoric about freedoms and how the american government or the american society, the american way of life, is exceptional. but now when they have to pay what they have to pay the gas time,

i think that perception that changing very rapidly, and you can easily see that across the polls that be sort of the social attitudes in the united states are changing, maybe not dramatically. yeah, but a lot of people are actually questioning whether what they've been told by their storage is, is indeed supported by the reality. do you think it's still business as usual in the united states this time around? or do you think perhaps they may have been change in the collective? not in the leadership, but in the way the collective decide to proceed to what leadership is doing. you know, that's a risk that us government took. they wanted to do this very much if you look at, for example, rand reports, and the think that in, in the united states, they publish that report in 20193 years ago. talking about this is the title of that report. they say, well, they're reaching and unbalanced in russia. so,

especially the democrats in the united states, after 2016 election, the early wanted to cause serious harm. russia, the countries, russia, as a nation. and that's was a very important go. and the american officials, you know, they rely on the propaganda machine that the corporate media in the united states provide. so, and then shutting down independent outlets not controlled by the media. us media like mac, r, t. so sitting content that is not in line, that is a foreign policy both, and then i'm sure you and your family prior to that, if you years price, because yes, the network was also essentially ostracized. them taking off international airways

because it was broadcasting something that wasn't in line with the american mainstream. but i tell you, it took a couple of years for the u. s. good to go to that process. and they get to russia and outlets in a few days, but they did to couple of years. it took them just a few days to, to attack the russian media. so going back to your question, do this list that the american officials took that they taught that maybe the corporate media in the united states would justify all the harm that's going to be faced by the american people. and to be honest with you, i don't know when there's this level of propaganda is going to actually work or not . you have a segment of the american population. that is, i think what the biden administration is doing is powerful to the united states

as a country. and there's a segment that is basically following the propaganda to them. i guess we will have to wait and see, but for the time being let's take a very short break and we'll be back in just a few moments patient me or i use ah, during the 2nd world war and nazi occupied, poland valinda was a farming region to doing as part of ukraine between 19431945 members of the

ukrainian insurgent army led by step on bendara. nasa could thousands of poles in virginia in a diabolical ethnic cleansing process. the mergers were particularly horrific and brutal villages were burned and property looted. the valinda massacre is without doubt one of the bloodiest episodes in polish ukrainian history. why are ukrainian politicians still reluctant to talk about these events? how to modern day ukraine and poland view this tragedy of the past. and why does the memory of valeria still divide people? with party i spoke with a pair of what are your thousands of people still live in small towns and villages that have become the new frontline towards that brick,

what they call this area. the greys a really early found, the request pretty me with that was only about a used vehicle with a so it won't go way more so that similarly with him demo with she'll berella a lennox on roku or blue shield that tell us that she made a fee of a before you boy. cool here scott: your party. grow your favorite them with the why do we have finished a gym and like other than you should be here?

ah ah welcome back to well, before we bought is id professor of political communications at the university of tech from professor before the break. we were talking about the risks that the biden to administer in took and trying to over extend and unbalanced russia. and i think it was a solve an asian greek storyteller who warned about being capital for what one wishes for last it come true. i think it could be argued that the biden

administration did that more to itself than to rush over to funding and, and balancing. but anyway, do you think they may initiate more geopolitical flareups a while in office, for example, in with china over tie one or do you think they've got enough on that plate for the time being? you know, americans are capable of doing all the things that you mention. and i actually was quite surprised and i listened to 20 blinking speech at what china just a few days ago. and there were people in the united states that are doing that. and china could play a role by helping russia and fight edition, it's coming from the united states. and there were some people who are arguing that good policy, a good policy is actually causing difficulties between russia and china. and when i listen to mister lincoln, i realize that they are actually making

a decision of putting pressure on china at the same time, i think russia, which is, i don't think it's a video my decision, but american officials are also not making my decisions in the past and the result is that i think the chinese realize that if americans succeed in this campaign against russia, china is going to be next. and that's very important. now, on the other hand, there was, the situation with russia were creating more emphasis. invoices, there seems to be for the resumption of the iranian nuclear talk there in motion again. and while i understand what's in it with the americans, doctoral iran is a large oil producer and we already mentioned b, you know, the discontent american voters when they come to the gas station, what i cannot understand is what's the need for iran?

why would your country need another agreement with americans that could be easily revolved by the previous administration by this, by this next administration. rather, that is why you have a need as cost about him. and is this america saying that you flew me once? shame on you for me twice. shame, shame on me. so they don't, i don't want to be sort of see the same problem again, like the american b rains are actually starting the europe folklore and relying on some of the american fork wisdom. and you know, if you have some of those same, i don't know, my knowledge of russian is not that great. so i don't know if it is something similar to russian, but a, i expect, you know, this is, this is a very large something to do. and, you know,

given that fact leaders realize that competing with russia in the oil market is not going to be a good policy. i think the majority of it, i think that having some sort of cooperation with russia because this is what the americans do. they want to push on to position that the russian government is not going to the police, so they sabotaged it on russia relations. but i think in your life, the fact that competing with russia and energy market is not going to be something good because no matter what americans tell you the gender, the don't do what they say and they do other things. and this is the experience we have had with the united states in the last 4 years. the rain, they talked surrounding the rainy nuclear problem problem has been going on for so

long and various iteration that it's hard to understand what the center on for the time being other still about your suppose it intention to have a military application of your nuclear technology or are they essentially about the amount of pain that then the west can legitimately subject iran to what, what is it the center of those you know, one problem, major problem that we have is that based on the 2015 agreement, g, c, u, a, the united states policy and other members of the 5 plus one that they do not need to see national, they cannot make relations. that was that's what, that's what the law was supposed to get done. would get severe limitations and peaceful nuclear program and other side would stop sabotage and economy internally

or externally. and in reality, what happened was that they, they never really followed that article out of the agreement. and then top left. let me just clarify for our audience the agreement was signed, but be in practical terms. many of the international banks still refused to do business with iranian national privacy. you never quite read the rewards that were promised. they were on paper, but they never came to be materialized. that is a tool. and now what they want to do, what happened during the tough administration was that they put part of military under sanctions, the big, the called the military, a terrorist organization which has never been done before. and then they put that part of us military under sanctions. and the aim was to sabotage whatever the next administration in the united states decided to do. this

is what people like robert maggie was needing. the american team was saying at that time that the top administration is doing things to make the 2 g c p a very difficult. now. 1 that these people are in power, it seems they want to continue the sanctions that created this addiction to sanctions that you see people in the white house have and they want to continue with that addiction. they want to achieve that sanctions. and the problem that is that this gives them a tool to basically sanction anybody in iran as the english, because they can just say that this person is linked to the military. and that's, that's how the sanction that person. so by keeping you know, city under sanctions, they want to actually have

a role of not doing what they're supposed to do under the agreement. and that's what you'd be. there's a very cautious if you'd like to what's going on. now speaking about their reading liter, if you already mentioned the speech that i told him many gave a couple of weeks ago in which he talked about the need for the muslim world. and specifically, iran not to be sidelined as the world moves or tries to take in you shape. not by line. does many muslim countries were after the 2nd world war when the current system was, was forming. how do you think the muslim world or the my which lets me there's also divided across national 6 terry and political life. how do you think it could bring its weight to bear on international politics? i think what you have decided and you're hoping that other muslim countries do the same is to actually have alliances and networks with

countries that listing us him and russia and china. and so the cultures are different. religions of different cultural backgrounds are different and, but it is a common threat to humanity in washington and us policies are causing lots of difficulties for organ if people are around the world . so this is the. busy hope that we have that country that realize that countries that have the option of not full following us you need, you know, that's, i'm going to do that under us pressure. we have in this part of the world the. 2 have countries that have us thesis inside, inside the country. it's difficult for them to make in the end the policy decisions

. but for countries that are relatively less dependent on the united states, the hope is that having network in the coalition of countries that are going to resist that pressure that's coming from the united states and developing discussion of business. that's why a lot of people admire what the russia is doing now, because russia and b this, she finally decided to say no to this aggressive part of that was coming from from the best that needs to be have that needs to be that needs to continue and then our job in, in countries outside russia is actually to join forces to make sure that us him when he is going to. and so let me, professor, is that correct me? if i'm wrong, i don't think any country can afford to take such a rebel is stands for cultural or your political reasons. but what i'm also seeing

over the last couple of months is that many of the old rivalries, or i'm, if you said being rephrase that many historical grievances between countries, let's say india and china or russia and turkey, iran and some of the goals phase. but i think these rapid changes in the international system that they've been discussing through the program today. of course, many of the countries to sort of think outside the box. do you think that can also happen closer to your home? do you think that could be any rakfish more between the sunni and the sheer world to that would be indeed a grade that towards making the muslim world and it's waived on. busy international politics. so you know, you don't have been trying to do that since the 1979 nomics revolution. you don't have been supporting palestinians as you know, and the seniors suddenly, muslims, and you don't actually think a lot of the high price of supporting palestinians,

especially with military technology. so they can defend themselves against this radio call. it's been awaiting international politics. it's a, it's a very painful issue, but that influence is not a big if we take, let's say the golf monarch is like the saudi arabia or the, i'm, or it's been very interesting to watch that the something changes and that politics of late how they relate to china, how they relate to the united states. do you think there's any interest in that in sac rama? do you think around can take it a bit further? i think, you know, has been, even before the current situation has been trying to improve relations with countries like saudi b, u e, because he's under, consider them to be enemies, enemies, enemies, the united states and countries like israel. so including relations with the saudis, and you're going to be important and also, and you know, in our neighborhood, you have to continue to have extra relations with you. but as i mean,

it was in just a few days ago you reservations with countries like mod is excel and you don't have good relations with iraq and artists and funding and other neighbors that you don't have. and you guys, relation with this countries depends on how much they want to hollow us, lee. i think my father and you have been historically clients of the united states . and as you said, as they realize that the us is climbing power, hopefully they develop more independent foreign policy. and if that happens, the united relation is going to include significant, well, let's keep our fingers up for that as well as what the rest of the world professor . it's been a pleasure talking to you. thank you very much. thank you. thank you for watching. hope to hear again was the part ah

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