take the case to the. ready un security council with russia having a veto power in the security cancer. that's not going to work out. that you choose the line of time to make an easier ball. with russia. russia has lots of nuclear bombs already, so that, that is not going to work with russia is. so if you like, the states wants to fight russia and they don't want to do that, as you said, they need to find an excuse. and i think that's why they don't want the wall in ukraine to finish. because if there is a settlement, then you are not going to be able to use ukraine to put pressure on russia. and that is why if you go back a few years ago, the united states did not want the misc agreement to go through because that's

without solve on the problems. and then ukraine would not have been able to be used as a stage to attack russia. it will cost difficult, but the problem with that rationale is that the war in your brain is putting pressure not only on russia, but pretty much from the rest of the world. because we see that in the form of skyrocketing within the field prices in many, many countries that have nothing to do with russia or ukraine are filling the pinch . now you've been pretty open about your use that you believe that these conflicting ukraine is changing their current world order, and that is pushing it towards a more multi polar arrangement with different powers are going to compete with each other. do you think that new arrangements, whatever is going to be if you think going to be more or less violent than what we have at the moment? you know we are going to transition. we had the bipolar world

or this is what you have united states and the soviet union. then after the end of soviet union, americans thought they're going to have a uni polar role united, the 6 leaving that being that when the super about people like francis fukuyama talk to. but in the history debate among the scholars, there's what americans wanted to do was actually achieve. there are some people who believe that americans never could establish really poor people who believed they did it for maybe 15 or 18 years from the fall of the soviet union. and 2007 or 2008. and so there's a debate on that. but what you know now is that the world is moving towards the

most high polar system. and during this transition, you're going to see more difficulties. so you'd like to see countries trying to find ways of. busy improving the chances of actually being a greater power van. and the new world order is that should be settled out now. but as i, as, as we move away from this western centers system, or as the system continues to disintegrate, do you think they will ever be a moment when countries like, let's say, iran, russia been, is elda and other nations that have, have had the experience of being sanctioned for a prolonged period of time, do you think they they will come to a point of appreciating that experience because it made them more self sufficient? could it saves them some pain as the transition period continued because it's got this transition. i think we agree is going to be painful for many members

of the international system has been on the sanction since 979 since lucian is so used to sanctions and that experience of being on the sanctions and also continue to live and continue to prosper, you know, has done a lot in terms of building things that you need because of sanctions. a lot of, especially high tech devices are not able to be sent to you don. so scientists in manufacturers manage to build a lot of things internally in the sort of rely on outside sources. it's going to be more difficult to do that. but once you do that, then you're going to be self sufficient. that is why, for example,

the military does not depend on the 10th from outside. they make all the things that they want internally. and that is going to be important, as you said, using this transition time. sanction to in us foreign policy to cause difficulties for countries that are not following us dictates. and the more self sufficient you are, the less those factions are going to help you. and the more cooperation you are seeing among sanctioned countries. so for example, we had the huge rush and dedication in just a few days ago. russia relations are going to be much more now, since their common problems are common enemies. and i think the same thing is going to be true with other countries that the u. s feels they need to pressure pressure . now, you mentioned before that they if we accept that the direct confrontation between

russia and the west or russian, the united states was intentional, was just a matter of finding the right pretext. think all those ripple a fact that the global economy is witnessing or, and the american economies also with this thing, do you think that was sort of a factor then? because the americans and now pacing unprecedented inflation, which is adding to already preexisting social pensions and all of that will be crucial mid term elections. dividing that ministrations, approval ratings are among the lowest things in history. and do you think all of that was also, you know, part of the plan? you know, you may have heard that you need it, i for the home and they have called the u. s. government mafia regime. and been you study how the us government works. you. busy realize that people interest the us citizens interest or the citizens of europe interest other people's interest

is not really the 1st biography. the 1st priority for american politicians is to get to the elected. and they get elected by raising millions of dollars and oil companies, big manufactures others industries that benefit from was quite happy. you look at what they are doing in the u. s. a stock market in the last 3 months. and so that is going to be a priority, whether american people, the stuff or not, is going to be concerned, but going to be the 2nd test consent of people like president biden and other people who are in the white house. and that is why causing the kind of situation and then they realize that not only people in the united states,

but people in asia, in africa and other places are going to suffer. but american could care less about suffering of the people. but they care about that make an official, is basically benefiting the small the other gene that they're running and washing. but the purpose is that let me challenge you on this one because we both come from countries with a fairly large reserve war of resilience. you know, we've been exposed to hardship before, but the american population by large, i used to living pretty comfortable lives. and i have a lot of friends in the united states who are, who have been used to conference and who bought into all this ideological rhetoric about freedoms and how the american government or the american society, the american way of life, is exceptional. but now when they have to pay what they have to pay the gas the time, i think they have receptions that changing very rapidly. and you can easily see

that across the polls, that the sort of the social attitude in the united states are changing. maybe not dramatically. yeah, but a lot of people actually questioning whether what they've been told by their stories is even div supported by the reality. do you think it's still business as usual in the united states this time around? or do you think perhaps they may have been change in the collective? not in the leadership, but in the way the collective decide to proceed. what leadership is doing. you know, that's a risk that us government took. they wanted to do this very much. if you look at folks, apple rad reports, and the think thank in the united states. they published a report in 2019 years ago talking about this is the title of that report. they say, well, they're reaching and unbalanced in russia. so,

especially democrats in the united states after 2016 election. the early wanted to cause serious harm. russia, as a country is russians as, as a nation. and that's was a very important go. and the american officials, you know, they rely on the propaganda machine that the corporate media in the u back to the states provide. so and then by shutting down independent outlets that's not controlled by the media. us media like r t. so sitting content that is not in line, that is a foreign policy both. and then i'm sure you and your family prior to that a few years prior to that, because yes, the network was also essentially ostracized. them taking off international airways because it was broadcasting something that wasn't in line with the american

mainstream. but i tell you, it took a couple of years for the u. s. good to go to that process. and they get to russia and outlets in a few days, but they did to you are couple of years. it took them just a few days to, to attack the russian media. so going back to your question, do this list that the american officials took that they taught that maybe the corporate media in the united states would justify all the harm that's going to be faced by the american people. and to be honest with you, i don't know when there's this level of propaganda is going to actually work or not . you have a segment of the american population. that is, yeah, i think what divide in administration is doing is powerful to the united states

as a country. and there's a segment that is basically following the propaganda effect today. i guess we will have to wait and see, but for the time being, let's take a very short break. we will be back in just a few moments. stay tuned. ah, [000:00:00;00] a

ah ah ah ah, well come back to wells appoint with bought is id professor of political communications at the university of tech from professor before the break. we were talking about the risk that the biden administration took and trying to over expand and unbalanced russia. and i think it was

a saw an ancient greek story teller who weren't about dean capital for what one wishes for last it come true. i think it could be argued that the bite and administration did that more to itself than to rush over to funding and balancing. but anyway, do you think they may initiate more geopolitical flareups a while in office, for example, in china or taiwan? or do you think they've got enough on that plate for the time being you know, americans are capable of doing all the things that you mention. and i actually was quite surprised and i listened to 20 blinking speech of what china just a few days ago. and there were people in the united states that are doing that, and china could play a role by helping russia and fight this ignition that's coming from the united states. and there were some people who are arguing that good policy,

a good policy is actually causing difficulties between russia and china. and when i listen to mister lincoln, i realize that they are actually making a decision of putting pressure on china at the same time. i think russia, which is, i don't think it's a video decision, but american officials are also making decisions in the past. and the result is that, i think the chinese realize that if american succeed in this campaign against russia, china is going to be next. and that's very important. now, on the other hand, and there was the situation with russia, we're creating more amplitude in because there seems to be for the reduction of the iranian nuclear talk. they're in slow motion again. and while i understand what's in it for the americans, doctoral iran is

a large oil producer and we already mentioned b, you know, the discontent american voters when they come to the gas station, what i cannot understand is what's in it for iran. why would your country need another agreement with americans that could be easily revoked by the previous administration by this for having, by this next administration. rather, that is why you have a need as cost about him. and is this american saying that you food me once? shame on you for me twice. shame, shame on me. so they don't, you don't either, don't want to be sort of see the same problem again, like the american iranians are actually starting the years folk lower and relying on some of the american folk wisdom. and you know, if you have some of those same, i don't know,

my knowledge of russian is not that great. so i don't know if there's something similar to russian, but a, i expect, you know, this is, this is a very large something to do. and, you know, given that fact, iranian leaders realize that competing with russia in the oil market is not going to be a good policy. i think the majority of those think that having some sort of cooperation with russia, because this is what the americans do. they want to push on to position that the russian government is not going to the police. so they sabotaged united russia relations. but i think in your life, the fact that competing with russia and energy market is not going to be something good because no matter what, and i can tell you the gender, the don't do what they say. and they do other things. and this is the experience we

have had with the united states in the last 4 years. and the reason they talk surrounding the iranian nuclear problem have been going on for so long and various iteration that it's hard to understand what the center on for the time being uh they feel about your suppose the intention to have a military application of your nuclear technology, or are they essentially about the mon, the pain that then the west can legitimately subject iran to what, what is it the center of those you know, one called them major problem that we have is that based on the 2015 agreement, j. c, p u a the united states and other members of the 5 plus one that they do not. 3 in tissue, national cannot make relations, and that was that's what,

that's what the longer supposed to get done would get severe limitations and the peaceful newspaper route and the other side would stop sabotage and united economy internally would accept reality. what happened was that they, they never yearly follow that article of the agreement and then top left or let me just clarify for our audience the agreement was signed, but be in practical terms. many of the international bank still refused to do business with iranian enterprises. so you never quite read the rewards that were promised they were on paper, but they never came to being materialized. that is a tool. and now what they want to do, what happened during the tough administration was that they put part of military under sanctions. they called the military

a terrace organization which has never been done before. and then they put that part of us military under sanctions. and the aim was to sabotage whatever the next administration in the united states decided to do. this is what people like robert maggie was meeting the american team was saying at that time that the top administration is doing things to make the 2 g p a very difficult. now. 1 that these people are in power, it seems they want to continue the sanctions that some created. so there's this addiction to sanctions that you see people in the white house have and they want to continue with that addiction. they want to achieve that sanctions. i mean that the problem that is, that this gives them a tool to basically sanction anybody in the as the english,

because they can just say that this person is linked to the military. and that's, that's how the sanction that person. so by keeping us military under sanctions, they want to actually have a role of not doing what they're supposed to do under the agreement. busy and that's what you'd be, there's a very cautious if you'd like to what's going on. now speaking about their reading leaders, you already mentioned the speech that i had told him in he gave a couple of weeks ago in which he talked about the need for the muslim world. and specifically, iran not to be sidelined as the world's most or try to take a new shape and not by line. does many muslim countries were after the 2nd world war when the current system was, was forming. how do you think the muslim world or the my which lets me there's also divided across national, sick,

terry and political life. how do you think it could bring its weight to bear on international politics? i think what you have decided and you're hoping that other muslim countries do the same is to actually have alliances and networks with countries. natalie, this thing us him and, and says like russia and china and so the cultures are different. religions of different cultural backgrounds are different, but it is a common threat to humanity in washington. and us policies are causing lots of difficulties for organ if people are on the wall. and so this is the. busy hope that we have that country that realize that countries that have the option of not fall following us need, you know that there's some going to do that under us pressure. we happened in this

part of the world. the have countries that have us bases inside, inside the country, it's difficult for them to make in the end the policy decisions. but for countries that are relatively less dependent on the united states, the hope is that having network in the coalition of countries that are going to resist that pressure that's coming from the united states and developing discussion of this. that's why a lot of people admire what the russia is doing now, because russia and neither ship finally decided to say no to this aggressive artist is that was coming from from the best that needs to be have that needs to be that needs to continue. and then our job in, in countries outside russia is actually to join forces to make sure that us him

when he is going to. and so let me have a professor. is that correct me? if i'm wrong, i don't think any country can afford to take such a rebel is stands for cultural or your political reasons. but what i'm also seeing over the last couple of months is that many of the old rival resort she's had being rephrase that many historical grievances, different countries, let's say india and china or russia and turkey, iran and some of the goals phase. but i think these rapid changes in the international system that they've been discussing through the program today. of course, many of the countries to sort of think outside the box. do you think that can also happen closer to your home? do you think that could be any recreational between the sunni and the sheer world to that would be indeed a grade that towards making the muslim world and it's waived on. busy international politics felt, you know,

has been trying to do that since the 1979 stomach revolution, you know, has been supporting palestinians as you know, and us suddenly muslims. and you don't actually think a lot of the high price of supporting palestinians, especially with military technology, so they can defend themselves against this radio call. it's been awaiting international politics. it's a, it's a very painful issue. but that influence is not that big. if we take, let's say the golf monarch is like the saudi arabia or the m, or it's been very interesting to watch that the supple changes in the politics of late, how they relate to china, how they relate to the united states. do you think there's any interest in that in sac rahman, do you think around can take it a bit further? i think, you know, has been so even before the current situation has been trying to improve relations with countries like saudi lee because he does not consider them to be enemies. you

don't have enemies, enemies, the united states and countries back as if. so, improving traditions with the saudis and you're going to be important and also, and you know, in our neighborhood, you have to continue to have extra relations with you. but as a team was in just a few days ago, you reservations with countries like mod is excellent. you don't have good relations with iraq in august and i understand other neighbors that you don't have . and you guys, relations with this country is, depends on how much the well to hollow us li mcfadden. yeah. and you have been historically clients of the united states, and as you said, as they realize that the us is the climate power, hopefully they develop more independent foreign policy. and if that happens, the united relation is going to is a significant, well, let's keep our fingers, i trust with that as well as with the rest of the world professor, it's been

a great pleasure talking to you. thank you very much for this opportunity. thank you. thank you for watching hope to syria again. well, the part with mm ah, lou needs to come to the russian state will never be tied up on the north side scheme divest. i'm not getting his house not send up for

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a concept of american exceptionalism. international law exist as long as it serves the american interest. if it doesn't, it doesn't exist by turning those russians into this dangerous bogeyman there wants to take over the world. that was a conscious strategy. so some dwarfed as of yet on your own. i english, i actually stood off to observe on and tablet block. nato said it's ours. we move east and the reason us, hey jim, it is so dangerous, is it the lives, the sovereignty of all the countries? the exceptionalism that american uses. and it's in national war planning is one of the greatest threats to the populations of different nations. if nature, what is about the shareholders in united states and elsewhere in large obs companies would lose millions of millions or is business and businesses good. and that is the reality of what we're facing,

which is fashion with ah, we'll say that about 97 percent of the guns republic is now under the control of russian lead forces, further south from age, of course, on the black sea. also to have been the mind and of preparing to make long awaited grain ship with washington, allegedly precious african countries to refuse to buy grain from russia. naming leg nor angle was sending food prices on the continent with millions on the brink of starvation. plus the masses backlash ignite them on february latin american leaders of the us decides not to invite venezuela cuba, nicaragua, to