tv Worlds Apart RT June 7, 2022 9:30pm-10:01pm EDT
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they accuse the don trying to make an easier ball with russia. russia has a lot of nuclear bombs already, so that, that is not going to work with russia. is so, if you like, the states wants to fight russia and they want to do that, as you said, they need to find an excuse. and i think that is why they don't want wall in ukraine to finish. because if there is a settlement, then you're going to be able to use ukraine to put pressure on russia. and that is why if you go back a few years ago, the united states did not want to miss agreement to go through. because that's what that solve on the problems and then ukraine would not have been able to be used as a stage to attack ratio. it will cost difficult. but the problem with that
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rationale is that the war in the print is putting pressure not only on russia, but pretty much from the rest of the world. because we see that in the form of skyrocketing within the field prices in many, many countries that have nothing to do with russia or ukraine are filling the pinch . now you've been pretty open about your use that you believe that these conflict in your credit is changing their current world order, and that is pushing it towards a more multi polar arrangement with different powers are going to compete with each other. do you think that new arrangements, whatever is going to be if you think going to be more or less violent than what we have at the moment? you know we are going to transition. we had the bipolar world or this is 2nd world war. you have united states and the soviet union that after the end of soviet union,
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americans thought they're going to have a uni polar role with united, the 6 leaving that being that when the super about people like francis fukuyama talk to but in the history debate among the scholars there's what americans wanted to do was actually achieve there are some people who believe that. busy americans never could establish. ringback really pull along the people who believed they did it for maybe 15 or 18 years from the fall of the soviet union and 2007 or 2008. and so there's a debate on that. but what we know now is that the world is moving towards the most high polar system. and during this transition, you're going to see more difficulties. so you'd like to see countries trying to
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find ways of improving the chances of actually being a greater power then. and then the new world order is actually settled down now. but as i, as, as we move away from this western centers system or as the system continues to disintegrate, do you think they will ever be a moment when countries like, let's say iran, russia been his elder and other nations that have, have had the experience of being sanctioned for a prolonged period of time, do you think they they will come to a point of appreciating that experience because it made them more self sufficient? could it saves them some pain as the transition period continue because it's got this transition. i think we would agree is going to be painful for many members of the international system has been under faction since 979,
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since lucian is so used to sanctions. and that experience of being on the sanctions and also continue to live and continue to prosper. you know, has a lot in terms of building things that you need because of sanctions. a lot of especially high tech devices are not able to be sent to you. don, so scientists in manufacturers manage to build a lot of things internally in the sort of rely on outside sources. it's going to be more difficult to do that. but once you do that, then you're going to be self sufficient. that is why, for example, the military does not depend on from outside. they make all the things that they want internally. and that is going to be important,
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as you said, using this transition type, sanction to in us foreign policy to cause difficulties for countries that are not following us dictates. and the more self sufficient you are, the less those factions are going to help you. and the more cooperation you are seeing among sanctioned countries. so for example, we had a huge rush and a big issue in just a few days ago. you know, russia relations are going to be much more now since their common problems are common enemies. and i think the same thing is going to be true with other countries that the us feel they need to pressure pressure. now, you mentioned before that they, if we accept that the direct confrontation between russia and the west or russian, the united states was intentional, was just a matter of finding the right pretext. think all those ripple a fact that the global economy is witnessing or,
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and the american economies also with this thing, do you think that was sort of a factor then? because the americans are now facing unprecedented inflation, which is adding to already preexisting social pensions and all of that will be crucial mid term elections. dividing that ministrations, approval ratings are among the lowest things in history. so do you think all of that was also, you know, part of the plan? you know, you may have heard that you need it. i feel the harmony has called the u. s. government mafia regime and been you study how the us government works. you. busy realize that people interest the us citizens interest or the citizens of europe interest. other people's interest is not really the 1st by the 1st priority for american politicians is to get to the elected.
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and they get elected by raising millions of dollars and big all companies, big manufacturers, others industries that benefit from was quite happy. you look at what they are doing in the u. s. a stock market in the last 3 months. and so that is going to be a priority with the american people. the stuff or not is going to be a concern, but it's going to be the 2nd, the test consent of people like president biden and other people who are in the white house. and that is why causing the kind of situation. and then they realize that not only people in the united states, but people in asia, in africa and other places are going to suffer. but american could care less about the suffering of the people. but they care about that make an official is basically
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benefiting the smallest the other gene that they're running and washing. but perfect is that let me challenge you on this one because we both come from countries with a fairly large reserve war of resilience. you know, we've been exposed to hardship before, but the american population by large, i used to living pretty comfortable lives. and i have a lot of friends in the united states who are, who have been used to conference and who bought into all this ideological rhetoric about freedoms and how the american government or the american society, the american way of life, is exceptional. but now when they have to pay what they have to pay the gas pump, i think they have receptions and changing very rapidly. and you can easily see that across the polls, that the sort of the social attitudes in the united states are changing maybe more dramatically. yeah, but a lot of people i actually questioning whether what they've been told by their
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sources is indeed supported by the reality. do you think it's still business as usual in the united states this time around? or do you think perhaps they may have been change in the collective, not in the literature, but in the way the collective decide to proceed to what leadership is doing. you know, that's a risk that us government took. they wanted to do this very much if you look at, for example, rather reports and the think thank in the united states. they published a report in 2019 years ago talking about this is the title of that report. they say, well, they're reaching and unbalanced in russia. so, especially democrats in the united states after 2016 election. the early wanted to cause serious harm. russia, as a country is russians as, as
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a nation. and that was a very important go. and the american officials, you know, they rely on the propaganda machine that the corporate media in the u back to the states provide. so and then by shutting down independent outlets that's not controlled by the media. us media like mike r t. so sitting content that is not in line, that is a foreign policy both. and then i'm sure you and your family prior to that a few years prior to that, because yes, the network was also essentially ostracized. them taking off international airways because it was broadcasting something that wasn't in line with the american mainstream. but i tell you, it took a couple of years for the u. s. good to go to that process. and they get to russia
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and outlets in a few days, but they did to couple of years. it took them just a few days to, to attack the russian media. so going back to your question, do this list that the american officials took that they taught that maybe the corporate media in the united states would justify all the harm that's going to be faced by the american people. and to be honest with you, i don't know when there's this level of propaganda is going to actually work or not . you have a segment of the american population that is utilized. what device administration is doing is powerful to the united states as a country. and there's a segment that is basically following the propaganda effect today.
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ah, welcome back to world. the forthwith on is on a professor of political communications at the university of tech from professor before the break. we were talking about the risk that the bite and administration took and trying to over expand and unbalanced russia. and i think it was a saw an ancient greek story teller who warned about being capital for what one wishes for last it come true. i think it could be argued that the biden administration did that more to itself than to rush over expanding and balancing. but anyway, do you think they may initiate more geopolitical flareups a while in office, for example, in china or taiwan? or do you think they've got from that place for the time being you know, americans are capable of doing all the things that you mention. and i actually was quite surprised and i listened to 20 blank in the speech of what china just
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a few days ago. and there were people in the united states that they're arguing that china could play a role by helping russia and fight this edition. it's coming from the united states. and there were some people who are arguing that good policy, a good policy is actually causing difficulties between russia and china. and when i listen to mister lincoln, i realize that they are actually making a decision of putting pressure on china at the same time that they're fighting russia, which is i don't think it's a video decision, but american officials are also making decisions in the past. and the result is that i think the chinese yellow american succeed in this campaign against russia. china is going to be next. and that's very important. now,
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on the other hand, there was, the situation with russia were created more emphasis, impetus there seems to be for the resumption of the iranian nuclear talk. there inflow motion again and while i understand what's in it with the americans, doctoral iran is a large oil producer and we already mentioned b, you know, the discontent american voters when they come to the gas station. what i cannot understand is what it is for iran. why would your country need another agreement with americans that could be easily revolt by the previous administration, by this, by this next administration. rather, that is why you have a need as really kosh about him and to this american saying that you food me, once, shame on you for me twice, shame,
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shame on me. so they don't, i don't want to be sort of see the same problem again like the american b rains are actually starting the years full lower and relying on some of the american fork wisdoms. and you know, if you have some of those, say, i don't know, my knowledge of russian is not that great. so i don't know if there's something similar the russian but a, i expect, you know, this is, this is a very large something to do. and, you know, given that fact lead is realize that competing with russia in the oil market is not going to be a good policy. i think the majority of those think that having some sort of cooperation with russia because this is what the americans do. they want to push on to a position that russian government is not going to the police. so they sabotaged united
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russia relations. but i think in your life, the fact that competing with russia and energy market is not going to be something good because no matter what americans tell you the gender, the don't do what they say and they do other things. and this is the experience we have had with the united states in the last 4 years. the rain, they talked surrounding the rainy nuclear problem problem has been going on for so long and various iteration that it's hard to understand what the center on for the time being. are they still about your suppose it intention to have a military application of your nuclear technology, or are they essentially about the mon, the pain that the, the west can legitimately subject iran to what, what is it the center of those you know,
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one called them major problem that we have is that based on 2015 agreement, j. c, p u, a the united states, thomas and other members of the 5 plus one that they do not. 3 in to see a national, they cannot make relations. that was, that's what, that's what the young was supposed to get done, would get severe limitations and it's peaceful nuclear program. and other side would stop tablets, asian, you know, as economy internally or externally. and in reality, what happened was that they, they never really followed that article of the agreement and then top left. so let me just clarify for our audience. the agreement was fine, but be in practical terms. many of the international bank still refused to do business with randy and answer privacy. you never quite read the rewards that were promised. they were on paper, but they never came to being materialized. that is
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a tool. and now what they want to do, what happened during the top administration was that they put part of military under sanctions. they called the military a terrace organization, which has never been done before. and then they put that part of us military under sanctions. and the aim was to sabotage whatever the next administration in the united states decided to do. this is what people like robert maggie was meeting. the american team was saying at that time that the top administration is doing things to make the 2 g c p a very difficult. now. 1 that these people are in power, it seems they want to continue the sanctions that some created. so there's this
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addiction to sanctions that you see people in the white house have and they want to continue with that addiction. they want to chief that sanctions and the problem that is that this gives them a tool to basically sanction anybody in iran as the english because they can just say that this person is linked to the military. and then that's, that's how the sanctioned that person. so by keeping us military under sanctions, they want to actually have a role of not doing what they're supposed to do under the agreement. busy and that's what you'd be, there's a very cautious if you'd like to what's going on. now speaking about their reading leaders, you already mentioned the speech that i had told him in he gave a couple of weeks ago in which he talked about the need for the muslim world. and specifically, iran not to be sidelined as the world's most or try to take
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a new shape and not by line. does many muslim countries were after the 2nd world war when the current system was, was warming? how do you think the muslim world or the my which lets me there's also divided across national terry and political life. how do you think it could bring its weight to bear on international politics? i think what you have decided and you're hoping that other muslim countries do the same is to actually have alliances and networks with countries that listing us, hey jim, and i'm just like russia and china and so the cultures are different. religions of different cultural backgrounds are different, but it is a common threat to humanity in washington and us
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policies are causing lots of difficulties for organ if people are on it. so this is the. busy hope that we have that country that realize that continues that have the option of not fall following us need. you know that there's some continues that under us pressure. we happen in this part of the world. we have countries that have us bases inside, inside the country. it's difficult for them to make in the end the policy decisions . but for countries that are relatively less dependent on the united states, the hope is that having network in the coalition of countries that are going to resist that pressure that's coming from the united states and developing discussion of business. that's why a lot of people admire what the russia is doing now, because russia and neither ship finally decided to say no to this aggressive
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policies that was coming from from the best that needs to be have that needs to be that needs to continue. and then our job in, in countries outside russia is actually to join forces to make sure that us him when he is going to. and so let that happen, professor, is that correct me? if i'm wrong, i don't think any country can afford to take such a rebel is stands for cultural or your political reasons. but what i'm also seeing over the last couple of months is that many of the old rival resource she's had being repressed. there many historical grievances, different countries, let's say india and china or russia and turkey. iran and some of the goals said, but i think these rapid changes in the international system that they've been discussing throughout the program today. of course, in many of the countries to sort of think outside the box,
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do you think that can also happen closer to your home? do you think that could be any recreational between the sunni and the sheer world to that would be indeed a grade that towards making the muslim world and it's waived on. busy international politics. so you know, you don't have been trying to do that since 979 stomach resolution. you don't have been supporting palestinians, you know, and suddenly muslims, and you don't actually think a lot of the high price of supporting palestinians, especially with military technology so they can defend themselves against this radio. probably thing else, a weight in international politics. it's a, it's a very painful issue, but that influence is not that big. if we take, let's say the golf monarch is like the saudi arabia or the i'm or it's, it's been very interesting to watch that there's nothing changes in that politics of late. how they relate to china, how they relate to the united states. do you think there's any interest in that in
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tech rama? do you think around? can take it a bit further? i think you have been so even before the current situation has been trying to improve relations, countries like saudi arabia and he says he does not consider them to be enemies, enemies, enemies, the united states and countries back is so improved relations with the saudis. and you're going to be important. and also as you know, in our neighborhood, you have to have extra relations with you. but as it was in, it's just a few days ago you reservations with countries like mod is excellent. you don't have good relations with iraq in august and i understand other neighbors that you don't have. and relations with countries depend on how much they want to holler us . li, mcfadden and you eat have been historically clients of the united states. and as
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you said, as they realize that the us is climbing power, hopefully they develop it more independent find policy. and if that happens, the united relation is going to is significant. well, let's keep our fingers crossed for that as well as what the rest of the world professor. it's been a pleasure talking to thank you very much for this opportunity. thank you and thank you for watching hope to hear it again. busy the part ah me me ah, ah, 350th anniversary of peter,
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