a with in i began to hear about these organizations that were trying to help guys get out of the movement because only the guys who were in the movement could really understand what the guys who were currently getting out. what would feel like life after hate is an organization that was founded by for ex skinhead, neo nazi white supremacist in the us and canada. and they found each other and they knew that they wanted to help other guys get out. so the idea is to get them out, make, keep them safe and get that kind of support that they need from other performers in

order to stay out with . welcome or stop yet, but well, we're pioneer and we're the 1st ones to do this for the 1st one. and quite frankly, probably the only ones doing it. and we're certainly the only ones driven by 100 percent for much at this point, even if your desire to do this is new and you don't have the experience. each of us in this room has the capability to help people where we once were, there isn't a path that anyone should have to do alone. and if there are 2 on this one,

will have to do it alone in the beginning, then you understand how difficult that was and what kind of critical role we can play in the lives of someone else. mm. mm. hi, my name is frank marie jackson, philadelphia got in the movement at any age 13 going on 14 in the movement. i got very active, especially very violent. kidnap somebody went to prison and i was 17. as i got out of movers, don't lose any bombing that made me reach out to people to help the picture of the fireman right down the street. that, that little girl is something that will always stick with me. ended up going to prison for about 4 years, and i got all the skin movement. there's meaning behind the color of the tattoo. like if it's a solid black, tad to a person committed a murder and got away with hulu. i do some serious are not thankful i get that covered up. i'll have to look at it in

a more went to treatment last year. and when i graduated, my reach out to life after having been involved with them doing stuff. hire portland, trying to reach out and help other people that are struggling to come out of the movement. i was involved with the white area resistance, skinheads and emerson heads in san diego for 13 or 14 years we would do gay bashing runs and we would attack people just for the color of their skin. i have left people laying there that i don't know if they lived or not. i was involved in the skin that seen from the mid eighty's all the way to the, to the mid ninety's. for 7 or 8 years i went through a disengagement, but i'd left the movement the movement and left me. it was the birth of my, my daughter. you know, i get enough little girl and the delivery room and my son was born 15 months later, they saw the magnificence in me when i couldn't see it. and they gave me that gift

. that allowed me to re humanized. i became a gang member, spent probably about 18 years and started that kind of lifestyle in and out of prison, june or home, stuff like that. after surviving erase, right became pretty violent and aggressive. urban started started manifesting like to say towards whites as a result of that race, right? because of my role in the riot, i quickly grew within the game one of the highest ranking members of my state. i had even made a vow that if i was going to rob steel, pillage whatever it was going to be white, we can start to feel special and what we're going through here and it is special, but it's not as unique as you might think. it's really a humanistic place. it's the same story. it's the same feelings it's, it's the human experience and hate no matter what. what flag you fly under has

a very similar approach. this inaugural gathering of the former's, i think, is incredibly important. you know, we were able to get and so far as just us, as volunteers working together as a team and being able to handle the load. but that's not possible anymore. this countries him too far, crisis is that we are being ethnically quinn, a like to preserve ourselves. we've got a right to keep this nation, the nation that our forefathers in michigan. that's what we're fighting for here. everyone moved together now. before the words,

i want to secure the existence of the white race in the future for why children's that's what this is all about, is about stopping white genocide sobbing, multiculturalism american white working classes angry. they've been systematically ignored by both major parties for decades. now i'm looking at these extreme white nationalist, white premises, nazis, these guys were active in the stream, right? the very, very end of a continuum. because i want to know how they went from the center and drifted off there and ended up so far from what i considered to be the mainstream. because i think they can tell us a lot about what's going on in the mainstream as well. why would this group that seem so privileged feel themselves to be such victims? these guys are furious and in many cases they're kind of right to be furious. they've been delta bad. and you can understand the sense of this range without understanding the sense of entitlement that it's founded on. so when i say that

their anger is real, it's because they feel like they've been dispossess something's taken from them. the the bill language that they use, it's all a language of retrieving restoring, reclaiming your masculinity because you had it, they took it away. now you've got to get it back. i think i like the ah.

the name of the idea that i would ever back down to such a little like may or signer that i would ever got down when the governor of the state declare a state of emergency. if they think that they don't understand why they don't understand the all right, they don't understand this entire moving with randy a sammy i just wanted to check in with you see how you're doing before we come over be so good to meet your brother. yeah. okay. well, our brother will be there in a few minutes. all right. it's the hardest thing i have ever made

a good time. my young 900 years was to get out of this. i was going to 20. i'm now going to lose family members that are in the room and mentalism. well, as every friends i've just had for the last 6 years, and they're all going to go are so just kind of recap and fresh out, fresh on like. i think he just like he one day to the next as some questions things . but he, he went, he didn't go through a period of questioning his membership. he went from being in it to be in like almost instantaneous, same day kind of thing. you know, he was got turned at the rally, the getting beat up, he was getting beat up through protester side of things. people were kicking him in the house and people have to know that it's really ramp it in. the people are

getting out to turn to other things, alcohol, drugs out, other addictions or so, you know, it's, it's, it, does this make this clean break and it's are, you know, it's, there's going to be a whole 180 on a lifestyle my situation when i got out, it was like, i'm alone out here. like i'm completely isolated. i'm alone. and i would try to tell people what my experience was like, but no one could. we leave, you know, and it sounds like this guy that we're seeing right now is what i'm hearing is loan uncertainty. you know, cut off. i think happy to know the others are here. to understand what it's like to be in the movement. understands where does like to get out of the movement to understand what is like post change as possible. there's a way out there is life after, hey, you know, with

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condemned, reviled and rejected. you sort of like a bill of bramble, there's a lot closer on a whole bunch. thank you said a little sure. the list, joining total condemnation grows daily and now enclosed dostoevsky, to cascade and shostakovich. that i need to you a quick tour left. but yes, you lost your signal. what the time will you do? obama lee, you're not gonna do that a little bit more. ah, let me

ask you the ratios and you always kind of been a little racist. yeah, this kind of fell into exceptions. you know, was in your like in your family when your community is ever everywhere. so normal for you then. yeah, yeah. well, i'm way, way i was afraid to be open about it. every congressional is a good person. the person person you're, you're out. you know, they get this walk and already had it and i need to know what i felt and i believe, all right, love love, most guys in the get out. they don't keep with it. i know if i, if i have a good person, that's what i have to do to click back. oh, so how long over the whole course, your life are you involved actively as a white supremacist? i'd want michelle john. sure. it's all john. we always make new ones, you know,

make them more fashionable. you know. so just one big was the on the for i know i, michael i was like was becoming so was off now to can i don't spiteful, hadn't pointed up you know, 44 magnum, you know, long, barely, you know, it's gonna take everything inside. it kicked down. it came back and cleaned up. how long you've been clean. now. let's see what every last couple years are for 3 years. you know, she know she met them all day long into life. was this unless it was called nazi? no. it's a lot of change is getting thrown at your right now, you know? yeah, yeah, a lot, a lot, lot using drugs, you know, familiar and he's gone and the racing was all correct if you will. when you guys have been lifeline. irreplaceable. you know, you're reaching out though, man,

you know? yeah. didn't, didn't, didn't do william the person. no. god coming to hit me and now there wasn't, wasn't that guy. you know, god, you not fearful as you know, when you are definitely going to be down there. got real, got real quick. i can't imagine what, what, what the future holds. she ma'am, but if it's anything like what we're seeing is good enough. so glove, you know, one of the most that you're struggling to keep going through, you know, scare cell, but you're joining that, that group of men and women men who are facing the same change you're facing, right? i can't tell you how many hundreds of people who don't believe in the ideology of loss while they're in the movement are too afraid to leave or to afraid to leave

for safety purposes. but they're also afraid to start over. they don't want to abandon the identity that they have or that community. and they stay in because they have nothing to go back to because they walked away from everything. when they joined up at the top. what do you think about a nation or political order that is racially, they are richard the what do you think is real of have some coffee? let's talk. okay. the mike michael. hey, nice to meet with me. oh no, no, no. what form is show us is that you can, you can think as, as low as human beings can think in some ways you can do horrible things and you can come out the other side. you should have been so badly broken that there's no way you could come back from this. if you did so can have that right?

so can you, if you are going to pretend this is simply an intellectual exercise, and you don't speak to the visceral experience that these guys have in the movement, you won't be able to reach them. violence was fairly new to me. i know at the beginning i certainly enjoyed the adrenalin rush and the ability to instill fear in people that was like water to someone to be wandering the desert correlated factor and someone joining a by when the extremist group with child trauma abuse could be coming from a broken home and drugs and alcohol. my case if there was abandonment and growing up to foster care, my whole life in being physically abused as a kid by my aunt and uncle and my cousins and stuff. and i was fighting since i was a kid. you know, and i grew up in the streets. i know my father loved us very much, but i didn't get to see him a whole lot. and when i was 10,

i walked in on him with another woman and then bang, that's when the god fell off the pedestal. but he started to act out at school and to go down this rabbit whole of defiance and anger. and i'm confused. i was very confused in my dad. you know, i used to be like another guy being another guy. and barbara, that's no line. i walk in and do no, it's not a in basically knocked me out with a punch. i'm out fe, the black. they form a very unhealthy identity about themselves. they're not good enough. they're not smart enough. they're not pretty enough. they're unlovable. they're less than all my friends in the gang as a young kid as a young man as an older man. we all have very similar experiences. nobody use words like trauma or abuse or child abuse, abandoned man. my father wasn't there for me. no one could talk about that. it was just like we, we stuff it, we suppress it. the shame was, i think,

compiled with humiliation if you couldn't put it away and you couldn't be violent, we live our lives. and until we heal that shame in react to in another way is to adopt an ideology which tells you you're greater that that's what i did feel like other people think they're not. i and here's a group that comes along. it says, we think you're something that we think you're better, your special it was my family. it was my identity, it became the person who i was for 8 years. i found comfort and mostly because i was angry at myself and my parents and being a part of a hate movement, gave me an excuse to kind of remove my own pain and put it on other people so that i could project that and not feel it myself, it's sometimes hard to, to really look inward and see that maybe the cause of your problem isn't the other

. the ideology is secondary and i'm talking about every type of extreme, whether it's fundamental religious ideology or hateful or racist ideology. that's something that is just a layer on top the best here and most when i got in prison and mississippi, the reverse racism is so hard core. i got everything from a, from a number. you know, so always goes behind here. so i figured the best statement i can make, i can join the most vicious thing i can think of and let them know if you touch me again, i'm going to kill you and nothing said that message better than the brother. much

easier to recruit inside going out. and again, it is easy to exploit. you know, you have that person 247 around you. you know, it's not like outside where they can go home, get a break and maybe make a difference. and then you want to do and there is perfect. i guess you'd be, i just was here on around one. and then i recovered, you know, hidden in all my touches. so i used to be the guy with a swastika, all mean that down the street and people would pull their kids or me literally, i've seen people pull their kids away from. and i say this so yeah, i get that reaction to somebody who's looking down and like, live down there with financial, you know, cheap stairs like, you know, most of the possible thank you that you know what it means to be able to get some of this remote covered up, i wouldn't be live changing because i could see that it doesn't come without a problem. first. when you come from nothing you really have gotten up and

a little bit power. you know, it's nice and you're good to think you're in control or something one does the whole things about you know, power, power, power. so yeah, it's hard to leave that. it's hard to give it up. you know. okay. i will say, what would all that bullshit. harris thing i've also taken on the bruise of had everything, all the stress, i've been through years of torture for them to say, okay, that was for nothing. i'm gonna leave it alone and go over here and be a nobody. i don't think there is a single group in the united states that i know of that can be accurately described as white supremacist. the white supremacist is presumably someone who wants to rule over people of other races. that's a term from the history books. i in terms of living in african climate, it's a lot easier way. there are different,

like foods falling off the trees. yeah. black and white. you looked at the victim service, i've looked at a lot of victim survey. ok. you're looking at how many who hate mail on black, you know, rates were there. and the last 10 years, i don't know, approaching the euro. okay. okay, so like there are huge discrepancies in terms of crime. and that's our fax. but you think that they're more predisposed to being criminals? yes. africans. yes. or do you think it's just just what it is? i don't blame them. you don't think it's a, you don't think of a product of our systemic failures and law enforcement and justice system and, and schooling system. and the fact that up until very recently, very recently in our history where parents were alive, they weren't allowed to have the same access that way. africans, i, i think a lot of conservatives will sail africa will destroy by the welfare states. i don't really buy that. i think there was a certain, i think they were destroyed by slavery. howard immigrants affecting you right now.

here in whitefish white fish is deeply segregated. do you think we need to bring in more syrian ref? no, i don't think we need to bring in anybody, but i also don't think we need to exclude anybody if they wish to come in. right. how do you feel about that? well, i would ultimately exclude people. yeah. but i'm willing to say, i'm willing to say it, like i'm willing to defend the community. and most people, i don't know, i'm doing everything i can to protect my people in civilization. i went down a path and like you, i was passionate. i was willing to die for it. i was willing to do what it took to to, to make the vision come through a reality. i think your last, like i was for 8 years, and i want to know what you down the path. i am the higher ideal of what the right white race can be, and i actually have a superhuman ideal. i'm not caught up in, you know, justice or security or comfort. so white people are just, they're so good in so nice. it once me, it makes me want to puke they, they, they,

they really are accepting towards the other. they want to trust people. but you also need people like me who are guardians of these nice people. we live in a country that's actually british by it's diverse and headed. it can only way it's going to, it's going to become that ways. if it comes down to a civil war, i think there will be a terrible presentation. i don't know when it's going to happen. it might happen tomorrow. it might happen in 50 years or so on. but this thing can't go on. what do you think you really going to accomplish and already accomplish so much like what identity theory and as i'm the all right and i mean not to be good to go, but my name are now household to rooms to meet me. what endo, to create a more beautiful world. that is exclusive of everybody. but why people the me well joe middle alex,

she's just going to be on the left in columbia. nobody but i just want to talk and then go to italian. real name is logical as law school of which grew up with rich. yeah. is it public? is the enemy of me? nobody has enough feel. okay, so he says i had to put him on museum from bush and below that season. now she did the way over dealing with is it the way it was it just had to go to another bus, go buses and deal this wouldn't have happened if indeed vita didn't push this agenda. this was because on the other, she also said these are what about a picked out a good be nothing given up at the moment. this is just put,

it's ok to film to stay with what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy confrontation, let it be an arms race, movies on, often very dramatic development. only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very critical dime, time to sit down and talk with

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