a common ground in i was standing in an alley smoking a joint one day, and a man came up to me and pulled the joint from my mouth. and he said, don't you know that that's what the capitalists and the jews want you to do. we are violent towards those people because we believe that we're the superior race. we're here 1st and this is our pantry, guns, ammo, still tow doc martens, tattooing violence just just prerequisite to enter or exit 3 walked off like i could see this looking to face fear like he feared me being part of that movement. i got to feel a sense of power. when i felt powerless,

i got attention when i felt invisible and accepted when i felt that we had a strategy, we wanted to clean our image up and make our message more palatable to the masses. don't get tattoos don't shape your head. don't get arrested. go to college, joined the military, keep your head down. go mainstream. ah

i began to hear about these organizations that were trying to help guys get out of the movement. because only the guys who were in the movement could really understand what the guys who are currently getting out. what would feel like life after hate is an organization that was founded by for ex

skinhead neo nazi white supremacist in the us and canada. and they found each other and they knew that they wanted to help other guys get out. so the idea is to get them out, make, keep them safe and get that kind of support that they need from other performers in order to stay out with . welcome and your stop. yeah, well, we're pioneering where the 1st one is to do this for the 1st one. and quite frankly, probably the only ones doing it. and we're certainly the only ones driven by 100 percent for much at this point, even if your desire to do this is new and you don't have the experience. each of us

in this room has the capability to help people where we once were, there isn't a path that anyone should have to do a loan. and if there are people in this room who have to do it alone in the beginning, and you understand how difficult that was and what kind of critical role we can play in the lives of someone else. well, hi, my name is franklin jackson, philadelphia got in the moment at any age 13 going on 14 in the movement, i got very active, especially very violent kidnapped. somebody went to prison and i was 17. as i got out of the movers, oklahoma city bombing that made me reach out to people to help the picture of the fireman right down the street. that, that little girl is something that will always stick with me. ended up going to prison for about 4 years. and that's when i got all the skin movement. there's meaning behind the color of the tat to like if it's a solid black tad to

a person committed a murder and got away with hulu. i do some serious things are not the same for i get that covered out. i have to look at it. no more when to treatment last year and when i graduate. my reached out to my pastor hadn't been involved with them doing stuff. hire portland, trying to reach out and help other people that are struggling to come out of the movement. i was involved with the white area resistance can, has, and emerson has in san diego for 13 or 14 years. we would do gay bashing runs and we would attack people just for the color of their skin. i have left people laying there that i don't know if they lived or not. i was involved in the skin that seen from the mid eighty's all the way to the, to the mid ninety's. for 7 or 8 years i went through a disengagement, but i'd left the movement of the movement and left me. it was the birth of my,

my daughter, you know, i get enough little girl and the delivery room and my son was born 15 months later, you know, they saw the magnificence of me when i couldn't see it. and they gave me that, that gift that allowed me to we humanized i became a gang member about 18 years and started that kind of lifestyle. prison june home, stuff like that. after surviving a race right became pretty violent and aggressive and started started manifesting towards whites as a result of that race. right? because of my role in the riot, i quickly grew within the game one of the highest ranking members in my state. i had made a vow that if i was going to rob steele, pillage whatever it was white's and we just start to feel special and what we're going through here and it is special,

but it's not as unique as you might think. it's really a humanistic play. it's the same story. it's the same feelings it's, it's the human experience and hate no matter what. what flag you fly it under has a very similar approach this inaugural gathering. performers think it's incredibly important. you know, we were able to get and so far, just us as volunteers working together as a team and being able to handle the load. that's not possible anymore. as countries in to far crisis. the we are being ethnically. oh nation.

we've got like we've got a right to keep this nation, the nation that are for product. envision that's what we're fighting for here. everyone together now saying before the words, i want to secure the existence of the white race and the future for white children . that's what this is all about. is about stopping white genocide stopping multiculturalism american white working classes angry. they, they've been systematically ignored by both major parties for decades. now, i'm looking at these extreme white nationalist, white premises. nazis and these guys were active in the stream, right? the very, very end of a continuum because i want to know how they went from the center and drifted off there and ended up so far from what i consider to be the mainstream. because i think they can tell us a lot about what's going on in the mainstream as well. why would this group that seem so privileged? feel themselves to be such victims?

these guys are furious, and in many cases they're kind of right to be furious. they have been delta bad and you can understand the sense of this range without understanding the sense of entitlement that is founded on. so when i say that their anger is real, it's because they feel like they've been dispossess something's taken from them. the the the language that they use is all the language of retrieving restoring, reclaiming your masculinity because you had it, they took it away. now you've got to get it back. i think i like the

news that i would ever back down a little like mayor. finer that i would ever got down when the governor of the state, whereas a state of emergency, if they think that they don't understand why they don't understand the all right, they don't understand this entire movement with randy a sammy i just wanted to check in with you see how you're doing before we come over can be so good to meet your brother.

okay, wait, great. our brother will be there in a few minutes. it's the hardest thing i have ever made a good time. my young 900 years was to get out of this. i was 20 is i'm now going to lose family members that are in the room. when all is, every friends i've just had for the last 6 years. and they're all going to go are so just kind of recap and fresh out, fresh on like i think you just like one day to the next is still questions things. yeah. but he like he went, he didn't go through a period of questioning his membership. he went from being in a to be in like almost instantaneous the same day. kind of thing. you know, he was got turned at the rally, the getting beat up. he was getting beat up

through protester side of things. people were kicking them in the house and people have to know that it's really ramp it in when people are getting out to turn to other things. alcohol drug was out other addictions. and so, you know, it's, you know, this makes clean breaking it. there's going to be a whole $180.00 on a lifestyle my situation when i got out it was like, i'm alone out here. like i'm completely isolated. i'm alone. and i would try to tell people what my experience was like, but no one could. we leave, you know, and it sounds like this guy that we're seeing right now is what i'm hearing as long uncertainty. you know, cut off. i think happy to know there are others out here to understand what it's like to be in the movement. to understand what it's like to get out of the movement,

to understand what is like post change as possible. there is a way out there is like, i have to have me the ah, well don't middle alexis jesse columbia. no, let him live. nobody but i just want a level that he thought young real name is logical, was loss of coverage. cool with under federal which is it is public your theater. be normally big enough? feel afraid that phone, mickey says lied to put him on museum bushing below that season. now she did the

wave on you for revealing autism resources. you know that they did with it. just had like, i don't, i don't buy a deal. this would not have happened if nato has vida didn't push this agenda. which war with that because i'm here this week, boston on a, be a new will not, but for them this is is what is okay to film that fair with with. mm josh, because you the conflict in ukraine, europe in russia are going there different ways and like a divorce separation is full of anguish and finger pointing. the biggest loser of all in this, of course, is, europe. washington couldn't be more please. it's

a gemini, is being sealed with let me ask you the ratios and you always have been a little racist. yeah. yeah, yeah. and this kind of fell into exceptions, you know, was in your like, in your family with your community, it's ever everywhere. so norma for you them? yeah, yeah. well, i'm way, way i was afraid to be open about every come grace one's a good personal prism. never person around with

you know they get the walking already. how do i need to know what i what i believe . all right? love love. most guys in the get out. they don't keep with it. i know if i, if i have a good person, that's what i have to do, i'll have to look back up. so how long over the whole course, your life are you involved actively as like a white supremacist? michelle john schwartz, hold on. we always make new ones. you know, they make them more fashionable. usually. i know. so just one big was the on the for i know i, michael, i was like was coming off now to what i had pointed up, you know, 44 magnum, you know, long, barely, you know, it's going to take it everything inside. it kicked down. it came back, clean, clean, sharp, calling. you been clean? now. let's see. when we left a couple of years ago for 3 years. you know she,

she met him all day long into life. was doing this unless it was called nazi know, a lot of change is getting thrown at you right now. you know. yeah, yeah, a lot, a lot, you know, like using drugs, you know, it's familiarity is gone and the racing is all correct if you will. when you guys are in lifeline. irreplaceable. you know you're reaching out though man. you know? yeah. didn't, didn't, didn't do william the person. oh god come to hit me and now there wasn't, wasn't that guy. you know, it was god you who is not fearful, as you know, when you tell him today we're gonna, we're definitely gonna be down there. i was like, i got real good guy real quick. i can't imagine what, what the, what the future holds for you, ma'am. but if it's anything like what we're seeing is good enough, some love,

you know, the same struggle keep, keep going through, you know, scares, hell. you're joining that, that group of men and women men who are, who are facing the same changes in your face, right? mm. i can't tell you how many hundreds of people who don't believe in the ideology of loss while they're in the movement are too afraid to leave or to afraid to leave for safety purposes. but they're also afraid to start over. they don't want to abandon that identity that they have or that community. and they stay in because they have nothing to go back to because they walked away from everything. when they joined up at the top. what do you think about a nation or a political order that is racially richard? what will you think of israel of have some coffee? was talk

with michael. hey, nice to meet with. oh no, no, no. what formers show us is that you can, you can think as, as low as human beings can think in some ways you can do horrible things and you can come out the other side. you should have been so badly broken that there's no way you could come back from this. if you did, so can hate it, right? so can you, if you are going to pretend that this is simply an intellectual exercise and you don't speak to the visceral experience that these guys have in the movement, you won't be able to reach that violence was fairly new to me. i know at the beginning i certainly enjoyed the adrenalin rush and the ability to instill fear in people that was like water to someone to be wandering. the desert correlated factor and someone joining about when the extremist group with childhood trauma abuse

could be coming from a broken home and drugs and alcohol. my case of it was abandonment, growing up the foster care my whole life in being physically abused as a kid by my an uncle and my cousins and stuff. and i find since i was a kid, you know, and i grew up in the streets. i know my father loved us very much, but i didn't get to see him a whole lot when i was 10 walked in on him with another woman and then bang, that's when the the gone fell off the pedestal. we started to act out at school and to go down this rabbit whole of, of defiance and anger and confuse i was very confused in my dad. used to be me like another guy being another guy. and barbara. no i, i walk in and you know, it's not in basically knocked me out with a punch. i'm out fade, the black. they form very unhealthy identity about themselves. they're not good

enough. they're not smart enough. they're not pretty enough. they're on level. they're less than all my friends in the gang as a young kid, as a young man as an older man. we all have very similar experiences. nobody use words like trauma or abuse or child abuse abandoned man. my father wasn't there for me. no one could talk about that. it was just like we, we stuff it was depress it. the shame was, i think, compiled with humiliation. if you couldn't put it away and you couldn't be violent, we live our lives. and until we heal that shame in reaction to in another way is to adopt an ideology which tells you you're greater that that's what i did feel like other people think they're not. and here's a group that comes along. it says, we think you are something that we think you're better, your special it was my family. it was my identity. it became

the person who i was for 8 years. uncomfort. mostly because i was angry at myself and my parents and being a part of a hate movement, gave me an excuse to kind of remove my own pain and put it on other people so that i could project that and not feel it myself. it's sometimes hard to, to really look inward and see that maybe the cause of your problem isn't the other . the ideology is secondary and i'm talking about every type of extreme, whether it's fundamental religious ideology or hateful or racist ideology. that's something that is just a layer on top the best that here and most when i got in

prison and mississippi, the reverse racism is so hard core. i got everything from a, from a number. you know, so always goes behind here. so i figured the best statement i can make, i can join the most vicious thing i can think of and let them know if you touch me again, i'm going to kill you and nothing said that message better than the brother. much easier to recruit in southern and again, it's easy to exploit. you know, you have that person 247 around you. you know, it's not like outside where they can go home, get a break and maybe make a difference. and then you want to do. and there is perfect, i guess you see i was here on around and then i know recovered, you know, hidden view all my touches. so i used to be the guy with a swastika. we met down the street and people would pull the kids or me literally.

i've seen people pull their kids away from and i mean, yeah. so yeah, i get that reaction to somebody who's looking down and like live down there. so now, you know, like, you know, as much as possible. thank you that you wanted me to be able to get some of this remote cover. i wouldn't be live changing because i could see that it doesn't come without putting 1st. when you come from nothing you really have gotten up and a little bit power. you know, it's nice and you know, those good to think you're in control or something that's the whole thing about you know, power, power, power. so yeah, it's hard to leave that. it's hard to give it up, you know? okay. i will say with all that, but i've shared harry thing, i've also taken on the bruise. i've had everything, all the stress, i've been through years of torture for them to say, okay, that was for nothing. i'm gonna leave it alone and go over here and be

a nobody. i don't think there is a single group in the united states that i know of that can be accurately described as white supremacist. the white supremacist is presumably someone who wants to rule over people of other races. that's a term from the history books. i in terms of living in african climate, it's still lot easier. that's why they're, they're different. like foods falling off the trees. yeah. black and white, you looked at the victim service, i've looked at a lot of victim server. ok. you're looking at how many male on black rates were there, and the last 10 years, i don't know, approaching the euro. ok. okay, so like there are huge discrepancies in terms of crime. and that's our fax. but you think that they're more predisposed to to being criminals? yes. africans. yes. or do you think it's just just what it is?

i don't blame you. don't think it's you don't think of a product of our systemic failures and law enforcement and the justice system and, and schooling system. and the fact that up until very recently, very recently in our history where parents were alive, they weren't allowed to have the same access. that way we'll have to can i, i think a lot of conservatives will sail africa will destroy by the welfare states. i don't really buy that. i think there was a certain, i think they were destroyed by slavery. howard immigrants affecting you right now. here in whitefish white fish is deeply segregated. do you think we need to bring in more syrian right now? i don't think we need to bring in anybody, but i also don't think we need to exclude anybody if they wish to come in. right. how do you feel about that? well, i would ultimately exclude people. yeah. but i'm willing to say, i'm willing to say it, like i'm willing to defend the community. and most people, what i'm doing everything i can to protect my people and civilization. i went on a path and like you,

i was passionate. i was willing to die for it. i was willing to do what it took to to, to make the vision come to a reality. i think your last, like i was for 8 years, and i want to know what you down that path. i higher ideal of what the right white race can be, and i actually have a super human ideal. i'm not caught up in, you know, justice or security, your comfort. so white people are just, they're so good in so nice. it once me, it makes me want to puke they, they, they, they really are accepting towards the other. they want to trust people. but you also need people like me who are guardians of these nice people. we live in a country that's rich by it's diverse and headed to the only way it's gonna, it's gonna become that way is if it comes down to a civil war, i think there will be a terrible fragmentation. i don't know when it's going to happen. it might happen tomorrow, it might happen in 50 years or so on, but in this thing can go on, what do you think you're really going to accomplish and already accomplish so much

like what identity is on the all right, and i mean not to be good to go but my name are now household to rooms with me. i mean what, endo, to create a more beautiful world. that's exclusive of everybody. but why people ah, lou needs to come to the russian state total narrative. i've stayed as i phone and the no slam scheme div asking him then i'll sum up for a coup in the 55 with. okay, so mine is the final speed anyone else with we will van in the european union, the kremlin media machine, the state on russia today and split ortiz spoke neck, given our video agency,

roughly all band on youtube with request with me. ah ah you know, there was no program when i left i kind of and all of us at life, esther hate kind of stumbled our way through it and then we can take the lessons that we've learned from that and shrink the time frame down. so there's less was

less wandering in the wilderness, so to speak. when i was in the move in the last 2 years, before i left, i was struggling with you. i want to leave. i like, pardon me, want to leave the other part. it was big battle with us. if i leave, i had enough to fall back on. i have that deposit to do or have nobody to go to. you know, mean it hasn't lived around the last 7 years. i have nothing. sometimes it's hard. if they've got a swastika tattooed on their neck, it's hard for them, but just to say, i don't do that anymore. it's kind of a long process. it's not like you just leave it one day and you're like, well, i'm glad that's over. i had been out of the movement before i got connected with these guys, but i was on my own and didn't talk about it and had a lot of buried shame and guilt. and then i met these guys and i saw, you know, friends, you talking arnold talk, it, help me get past that barrier of feeling like i had to hide this from world that opening up has really just taken my, my viewing process.