ah, ah hello and welcome across stock were all things are considered on people a belt or fatigue and the blame game has to be gun was not looking good for ukraine outside. propaganda is completely at odds with the military reality on the ground. and to this, the unintended consequences sanctions have had on western economies who if anyone will be held accountable with to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess ladies in our slow, he's a professor at the university of southeastern norway as well as author of the book, use of opium propaganda in international politics and a budapest we have some you only he is a podcast or the guy which can be found on youtube and locals are chillman cross

talk rules, and that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciate, let's start with plenty of glen, let me read you a few headlines. they won't surprise you, or george, or our viewers considering our coverage of what's going on in ukraine over the last few months. ukraine, ukraine's at risk of losing war with russia military official. that's from newsweek . a shortage of our, of tillery ammunition saps ukrainian frontline. well, that's new york times. we're almost out of ammunition and relying on western arm says ukraine. it's the guardian ukraine is running out of ammunition as prospects dim on the battlefield. washington post, i could go on and on. but my point in mentioning this one is that the narrative is changing, the coverage is changing, but not the policy. so how do you square that? was a good question, i guess because the media has been selling this i so you credit victory for so long and i agree this is very also i think he's been obvious at least april that this

war for them possibly is over. so with that being said, they've been selling this for so long now. and then at some point in reality, we'll catch up. you can't ignore it in the more now that, well, all the supply lines have been cut off and you see this huge disparity. but i just have to on very quickly this is been the true, as has been the case for most of the war is a war problem with that with artillery. and when russia has about 20 times more artillery, then they will win everybody pretty much. and this is why it's been slowly breaking down. the defense is about to have been women, obviously now it's a breaking point to see them. a lot of this from this, this defensive lines of the cream is having broken through. and also this is a very critical point because the savings on this is now almost the phone. no rush has already reached a rush across the sigma river. there,

there is preparing the seats for the end of these 3 cities. that's it. this is the norm. 5 foot bus is over, so i think it, you know, my, but if you told them it's been telling the people through the media that the ukraine was winning all along, at some point to have to flip back. and i think that's it. i think that's what's happening now. there is need to, to call to, to recognize that something has happened. so this is obvious when you want to flip it and say, well actually you came to nothing and more losing. then you have to explain what happened. and that's why i think is going to be very interesting in the media because nobody wants to be blamed for this decrease. i want to be blamed that americans don't want to be played with us on the plane so that we were looking at a big discussion for, you know, who lost your crane. i think you're going to get to the blame game here. let me go to georgia my question big land with very unfair because i'm asking him essentially

explain the rationale of the people making decisions. and you can explain it. ok, because i've been absolutely ok without foundation logical foundation, their decision making process here from the, from the get go even going back to december. so george, i mean, it's quite gratifying. i mean, what we've been saying for so long is being said in mainstream media, but it doesn't seem to impact policy more arms more arms, more money. i mean, how long can i continue without, you know, there's no pitch marks coming. go ahead a very good question. and it is a question that the, the media are essentially preparing the groundwork for the inevitable blame game. no. what's really going on here? are they are shifting the blame on. do you crate. this is going to be, is the lead. and the fact is that it shouldn't be so it should be in the

west a responsibility. because in late march, in istanbul, there appears to be an agreement on the table. i mean, we were very close then to the agreement. that was how many people live school have been saved if an agreement has been signed in late march, but it was the wes, this came in, it was a western tow. soleski don't sign. you know, was johnson said it was just a crocodile. negotiate with a crocodile, and from that moment on just the would there be no negotiations, no agreement on anything. so now the trying to stay with all those the length is all but it really isn't. and so this is a very familiar refrain in the united states. i'm in vietnam as well. we're winning winning, winning, winning until we're not winning. and then whose fault is that the south vietnamese is that terrible regimes, the corruption to the generals, whatever, you know,

we did of that, you know, we, you know, we, we gave them everything we got, they just couldn't when the war is the same in iraq is the same that after you know, it's all gone, it's all the corruption, it's the terrible. busy we did what we call it with good guys. so they, the, the media are essentially laying the groundwork for the justifications and unfortunately the media will probably let them get away with it. well, yeah. and also go back to glen here. now this is a political football, particularly in the united states with elections coming up, because i think it's a fair characterization. this has been a democratic party driven war. even though your usual, like let's say, for republicans that there are neo cons, will going along with it. but i mean, the media is smelling blood in the water here because no one wants to take responsibility. but this could be, and let's be very clear, a catastrophe, but the ukranian people. ok, i,

i think that we need to point out more on this program. go ahead. i know also in the last point, this is a situation for your brain is this, and there shouldn't be no solution to this even before the war began. so this is the end of this is of course are terrible. but i think the reason why they kept pumping in row one is the thing that are winning is necessary because when you find a war, you need a public on your side. so you need to components, you have to say your opponent did something awful. and that's where we're bringing justice, we're where we are succeeding, we will, they're being defeated once a shifts. and you notice that it's all happening in the more that you're losing the work for people with all their support and of course so, so you want to delay this for us for as long as possible. but i think the new for a long time that we're losing, but on the one has to been the objective of this. so i have them in pumping some

anyway. and if you're the one can make a moral argument, you know, you should be worth and they want to give them the right to defend themselves. for example, however, in the united states, they're open about other objectives as well. i'm thinking like petitions like bang french, of french on with their own. they came out and said, well listen, we should send weapons is a good way of killing russians and weakening one of our main other serious and our lives on the line. so in other words, it, which is so often been repeated by many other, other kids with switches. let's find this to the lost your premium, and as a result will be yes, of course, the ukraine is will pay a price. but the russians will be severely weakened as well, and this is a bonus, and we don't have to pay with an american life. so given that this is, has been an objective, i think you have this incentive for a long time to prolong the war. but obviously, it's a benefit of prolonging the war to weaken russia. however, it comes out with a cost which is creating an army collapse now because they will lose a lot of territory. and this is the americans wanted primarily the black sea coast

. that's why that has so much interest in the last on here. so most of you need to switch quickly and, you know, put the put engine in place for in moving towards some kind of a diplomatic solution. and of course this is wonderful. loses just very, very critical. mike, with george, i mean the, the, the, the, the horses bolted, the bar. and i mean, why would be interested in negotiations now? ok, i mean, because this is good. it's cold war 2 point. oh, when the cold shoulder, whatever you want to call it, we're not going back. i mean, the russians have no incentive and have no reason to believe any guarantees coming from the west. no, they're really blown. and that's why it's so reckless and irresponsible not to have taken the deal in late march. because at that moment, at least some kind of a rum ukrainian state would have survived. it's not so clear to me that any kind of

your brain will of the school, because the russians are not going to exact a much heavier prize when they were ready to settle in istanbul. and i don't know that there will be any kind of where you left in the black or the the black sea coast will be lost. i think it may well be that the opponent is going to move into a ukraine. we'll just see, you know, just for separate entities of their own or they might join with or a c a so, so that will be anything less. and that's why it's been so be responsible to keep a pressing on the list. and that is, glenn, said the objective was just ok, well, let's just seems like as much casualties on russia as possible. you know, with the only a proviso is we don't, we don't get into shoot people with russia,

you know, we'll send whatever we can kill as many as we can. but we'll just maintain the level deniability that we just simply giving them the means to defend themselves. we ourselves are not involved in this, and i say ok, we're ok. we have some of the casualties. is that, well, you know, the glenda, i mean, there's a, there's a kind of a double whammy. and as it were here, not only does brain lose lose very bad, i would entertain some things to georgia saying, what the future of ukraine, whatever ukraine will be, is i think in question right now. but the western object was to, to devastate the russian economy. and isolate rush at night one is happened, so it's kind turning into a double defeat, glen. well, definitely, and i and because for the united states, so have many, many, well 1st this looks like it would be very good war because it wasn't cheap, many things for one. this, i didn't know,

ukraine could never become another colon like a russian country. well, obviously now i think anti russian sentimental dominates for a long time for that is probably in the ukrainian, or wrote more national identity or at least more so in the western parts, but also throughout the country. so it's also, this has been an objective to split new russia and ukraine for forever. but also the 2nd mommy ties, because russia and united states has been very worried over the past many years now about the economic ties between the europeans and the russians. and the chinese and frustrated that there security guarantees have been converted into this economic loyalty, but not with europeans have cut themselves over russia. they're also now trying to extend this to china and again, all of europe. so let me interesting be linked up to washington. so all the strategic autonomy this is canceled, a sort of the interesting thing here is that we keep hearing the mantra of your ukraine sovereignty. but george,

my go to you. i mean it's the end of european sovereignty is the end of the sovereignty. and so all of the dreams that the you entertain them say, 1092 and on dreams here gentlemen have to go to heartbreak. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on some real new stay with our team. ah ah ah, a ah

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ah ah. well the magic crossed up were all things are considered. i'm peter labelle. this is the home edition remind you were discussing some real news. ah, let's go back to georgia in budapest where we're running out of time. the 1st block here, finish your point. you were talking about european sovereignty moving forward. yes, the, all the dreams, the way to think that since 1992 that europe will become a god of alternative model of the west. so they'll be essentially 2 power blocks in the west of the united states, you know, over capitalism. and then that'll be the kind of social, rather almost capitalism in europe. and this europe who, because of the mediating between the united states and russia,

china was player in 900. i'm sure that's gone. that europe is going to be a good model of the west. that's the big on. and then, you know, europe is now being that size of, from russia. and it's become dependent on the united states. but they really, when it comes to energy because it's a, it's going to stop energy and force rush, which was dependent on the united states, on the dependent on the middle east. so essentially, you're gone back was when it comes to that. and so all you know, the americans have got what they want, but this is something that we go back to again, 909192. and both of us wrote his famous memorandum for george w bush, which was the, you know, we need to prevent any other power dominating any other com to let you know, united states as the dominate every single continent. and therefore, that nightmare that will be a kind of

a eurasia that will be free of american dominance. that might now, you know, the americans of all the rest of it for a long time. you know what, i guess what's meant for washington. now, by definition bad europe, what? so let's talk about europe here, according to the institute for new new social answers and published in the german publication until one in 6 german skipping meals for save money also holds it's been reported to change the law and bowen allowing post to forage, rewarding for us to keep their houses warm and there's also reports. it's not in on mass yet, but i municipalities in france are giving out who barnes because people don't have enough money to buy food. i mean, this was supposed to happen to right a year and, but exactly on the thing. and that was the prediction within a week or so. the russian economy would collapse a national system of collapse and its currency. instead,

we see the economy and then going back to growth to supply change have been reorganized. the financial system is stabilized and the currencies are getting a bit too strong. i think it was down to $50000.00 roubles a dollar an hour before the war was about $70.00 to $74.00. so it is much stronger that was before. so russia us sailed out of this quite well while the europeans now are struggling a lot. i mean, here's the current currency of not doing well, the financial system and the economy is becoming more, more broken. and i think part of this goes back to this propaganda with help for many years because you know, it's always incentive to exaggerate the weakness or the strength of another series . often we do both with russia, either this overwhelming threat of controls and reelection referendum and you know, fingering everything or is this ridiculous country who continent you make a radiator is just, you know, there's so backwards. and so i think we bought into this to russian weakness for and you know, that they are sending in the economy is the size of the, you know,

span or something where i think we fail to recognize. busy and we were talking about economic into dependence. there's some economic variables as well, which creates more dependency. so for example, in the natural reasons or people know that the key metals, i mean all of these things and food, i mean in many ways. but also high tech within a digital johnston, all you see russia very much very self sufficient country. and what we're discovering in europe now is we, we've been very dependent on the rush. and even if we're successful that, you know, stop buying russian gas for example. and we can buy more expensive got out of places. it's not going to happen. but even if you were successful, and this would mean for our industries will no longer be competitive. because russia selling a lot of this resource is not on the discounts to the east, simply because it, because of the very quickly have to reorganize it's here. so, so, so, so it is a huge consequences model is russian or social mission will. we also discovered on

the rest of the world about really joining on sanctions. you have a few of america and just on it. this is, this is the problem we were kind of waking up is still believing us tonight is we realizing now just a very different world. yet it's, it's very interesting, george, that when selling just counted russian oil and gas to the global south has been knock on effect, making those countries more there, it increases their productivity as productivity in europe. decrease and recently have higher energy. i mean, did anybody kind of make this through? i already know the answer to that. george, what are the consequences here? i mean, elections have consequences, and i cannot see how the ruling government in continental europe is going to fair very well. i mean, you can, but you know, when you creating black on your lapel, just for so long when you're standing in line to buy. yes,

that's right. and really, when you think of europe, i'm your was always very vulnerable on the issue of competitive because it was always, you know, they, they had these, again, social market economy, you know, very expensive labor loss. you know, the other high welfare payments is always questionable whether they'd be able to compete in the loan against the asian giant. but now that their shock themselves in the energy, it's very hard to see how they can compete and more over now this stuck with these sanctions because you know, whatever the outcome is going to be here in ukraine, they are going to end the sanctions. and they, you know, they're still, you know, talking up the sanctions or so from the alliance. she was in a on saturday and again, so no ukraine winnie so then now stuck with this, they're stuck with reach with russia. and it's hard to see how we can get around

and i mean, and united states very happy go. we've got a rival, asia, obviously have it, but the europe, i mean, i think that really it really doesn't look. and we can see it politically. i mean, bars, johnson isn't a lot of trouble, and it's only, you know, only part of it is because of the, you know, his parties in downing street, but even, that's not the most important thing. i mean, people see what the cost of living and the dia for, you know, prospects for this coming with this is affecting johnson is obviously go to, fore, we have to let you know, with other countries. ready shows extremely unpopular, this is going to continue throughout europe to explain it to us here, rush, it was sanctioned for its military operation and you crane. and then it will be sanction when the ukraine is defeated in that operation. so it's, you know, for the, for see will future don't rush, it will be sanctioned, by the way. i mean,

there's no time on line on that. now go ahead. well, i know it is the time, but i think they want to get to get off to sanction soon, because if russia will be rewarded, russia ca, how you go into their mindset. yes, of course i won't. country war, russia, even though the sanctions charge us more and i guess at some point down realizing that process making more money was energy now than ever before on becoming competitive because of this, this higher fuel costs. but that being said, i think about that. so it's so important going for to someone because you know something or want to who's to blame. and i think you see all the different parties starting to blame each other. and i mentioned before this debate on last year. and i mean, look at the media new york times, only a few days ago. are you overview of the treadmills or, you know, more about the rush military than you created. obviously, this is not true but,

but the whole point is that this is the green, insulted in share intelligence, and that's where they're going. and also you see other ways too. so for example, you said by administration getting a little bit of powerful weapons ukraine, because if they give too much, and if you start crossing territory, russia will strike back and it has the reserves, the right to talk, training camps being in poland or germany. so they want to give to have the weapons to, to, to drug american to it. however, the fact that given look for drones or, or a couple of those high marks, you know, the point is that it looks like there's preempting a future argument saying, listen, we give them everything. we have the most powerful weapons. ukraine is false. i think that this is why it's important about someone to blame because once you start rewarding russia it is by removing the sanction. so someone has to shift the blame just very quickly to also see ukraine doing a little bit of the same because then they've gone out and said that they've been losing losing now hundreds of people or this of 200. then like 500 or so session

battalion knocked out every day which is or if you, by the way and but this thing and then i think this is all the sacrifice. but the west is not giving us the weapon we need. so this is quite interesting, so there are also kind of the political story this, there's also kind of arguing now that we did everything, we call it our partners fall. so if we have to make the somehow with russia, it looks like we're turning on each other instead to, to see who to blame. and again, that's a lot of blame to grow by the so you know, this, we're also now looking into things time. so i'm not sure if you noticed, or people notice that most of them are 2 sources. newspapers, they tend to go to this institute for the study of war and you know, sounds very super academic, but it is actually a thing thank mer, ideological thing. and now did they didn't want to be informing us about the war. we might stop scrutinizing them, because our intelligence is obviously incorrect. so it george ned,

the nail on the head earlier. i mean, it's never the decision makers at all. there's always somebody else, you know, it's bad in tell a bad actors. we should have trusted them. but you know, george and you know what? there's one issue when i talk a lot of our house is that there's so much money involved in this year. i mean that's one reason to keep it going to keep for arms manufacturers, you know, and then, you know, revenue transfers, you know, power. so you remember always out of money, you know. and then that goes somewhere. we don't really know, and they don't seem to really particularly care, do they short? no, that's not a huge amount of money. i mean, you know, we talked a lot about that for $40000000000.00 package that congress signed off on in about 2 hours. but that's on top of all of the other money that has already been boring into it, you know, maybe ready this year. $80000000000.00 just from the united states alone. and we

think of the u. k. and canada, everyone else. so that's an awful lot of money. no one is in the idea of where it's gone. so yeah, it's, it's money is clearly being a money laundering operation. some people making a, maybe a very nice living out of the list. and again, you know, there's an interested party is these things who funds these things are funded by military contractors or the institute for the study walk, which is run by is a neo conservative. i think it's the k. so you know, the k goes what? instrument, all of us in the iraq paper there, and i'm like basically i look at it, i call it the kind of was it because it's replacing the app and read gentlemen, that's all the time we're going to take my guess in oslo. anybody, thanks watching us here or do you see an ex family member? ah

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is the aggressor today, i'm authorizing the additional strong sanctions. today. russia is the country with the most sanctions imposed against it. a number that's constantly growing up in the chair of literally the list. of course, when you click on the billing you're seeing the most in mind that we're, we're sure we're banding all in ports of russian oil and gas news, which i know they said he was

with joe by imposing these sanctions on russia. you know, has destroyed the american economy. so there's your boomerang. ah, ah, this hours headline stories, 3 people including a child are killed and several more wounded and walk the local authorities say was a ukrainian artillery attack on the marketplace and that done yet for public. all this is the percent of the gradient forces, just outside of the nets can from there they can well, they can shoot and shell in all directions i made for years. clashes on the front lines, our t reports from a battle field near a ukrainian army stronghold on the outskirts. done it. a leading italian newspaper identifies into.