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ah ah hello and welcome across not we're all things considered on people about war fatigue and the blame game has to be gun was well looking good for ukraine outside propaganda is completely at odds with the military reality on the ground. and to this, the unintended consequences sanctions have had on western economies who if anyone will be held accountable with to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess these in our slow he is a professor at the university of southeastern norway as well as the author of the book of opium propaganda in international politics and a budapest, we have your son, you only. he's a podcast to the guy which can be found on youtube and look tillman cross stock

rules and that means you can jump anytime you want. and i would appreciate this sarah with millennium glenn, let me read you a few headlines they will surprise you, or george, or our viewers considering our coverage of what's going on in ukraine over the last few months. ukraine, ukraine's at risk of losing war with russia military official that's from newsweek shortage of tillery ammunition saps ukrainian frontline. well, that's new york times. we're almost out of ammunition and relying on western says ukraine. that's the guardian ukraine is running out of ammunition as prospects on the battlefield. washington post, i could go on and on. but my point in mentioning this going is that the narrative is changing. the coverage is changing, but not the policy. so how do you square that was a good question i, i guess because the media has been selling this i so you created victor for so long and i agree this is very also i think he's been out of lease since april that this war for possibly is over,

so some of the been said they've been selling this for so long now. and then at some point and reality will catch up, you can't ignore it in the more now that well, all the supply lines are being cut off and you see this huge disparity. but i just have to on very quickly this is been the true, as has been the case for most of the war is a war premier with that with artillery. and when russia has about 20 times more artillery, then they will win everybody pretty much. and this is why it's been slowly breaking down the defense is bought to have been with me obviously now is a breaking point. you see a lot of this from this, this defensive lines of the claimant's having broken through. and also this is a very critical point because sustainable misuse. now almost the phone no rush has already reached. and lastly, you have so you don't get no rush across the river is preparing the siege for

the end of this business. that's it. this is the bus is over. so i think a, you know, what if you told the it's been telling the people from the media that the ukraine was winning all along, at some point to have to flip back. and i think that's it. i think that's what's happening now. there is need to, to call to, to recognize that something has happened. so this is obvious when you want to flip it and say, well, actually you claim is not winning and more losing. then you have to explain what happened and that's why i think is going to be very interesting in the media because nobody wants to be blamed for this. ukraine is i want to be blame the americans don't want to be played with us on the plane. so that we were looking at a big discussion for, you know, who lost your crane. i think you're going to get to the game here. let me go to georgia. my question glen was very unfair because i asked him essentially to explain the rationale of the people making decisions. and you can explain it. ok

because i've been absolutely ok without foundation, logical foundation, decision making process here from the, from the get go. even going back to december. so george, i mean, it's quite gratifying. i mean, what we've been saying for so long is being said in mainstream media, but that doesn't seem to impact policy more arms more arms, more money. i mean, how long can i continue without, you know, there's no pitch marks coming? go ahead. a very good question. and it is a question that the, the media are essentially preparing the groundwork for the inevitable blame game. no. what's really going on here? are they are shifting the blame on do you crate? this is going to be the letter and the fact is that it

shouldn't be so as it should be in the west, a responsibility. because in late march in istanbul, there appear to be an agreement on the table. i mean, we were very close then to the agreement. no, was how many people live school have been saved? if an agreement has been signed in late march? but it was the wes, this came in. it was a western tow lensky don't sign. it was johnson said, it was just a crocodile negotiate with a crocodile. and from that moment on, just a little would there be no negotiations, no agreement on anything. so now the trying to stay with all those the lens is all, but it really isn't. and so this is a very familiar refrain in the united states and vietnam as well. we're winning winning, winning, winning until we're not winning. and then whose fault is that, to close out the enemies? it's always that terrible regimes, the corruption to the generals, whatever,

you know, we did our best, you know, we, you know, we, we gave them everything we got, they just couldn't when the war is the same in iraq is the same. but after, you know, it's all gone, it's all the corruption, it's the terrible we did what we call it a good guys. so they, the, the media are essentially laying the groundwork for the justification. and unfortunately the media will probably let them get away with it. well yeah, and also go back to glen here. now this is a political football, particularly in the united states with elections coming up. because i think it's a fair characterization. this has been a democratic party driven war, even though your usual, like, let's say, republicans that there are neo cons. we're going along with it. but i mean, the media is smelling blood in the water here because nobody wants to take responsibility. but this could be, and let's be very clear, a catastrophe, but the ukranian people. ok, i, i think that we need to point out more on this program. go ahead. i agree. also in

the last point, this is a situation for your brain is this, and there shouldn't be no solution to this even before the war began. so this is the end of this is of course are terrible. but i think the reason why they kept pumping in row one is the thing that to winning is necessary because when you find a war, you need a public on your side. so you need to components, you have to say your opponent did something awful. and that's where we're bringing justice, we're we, we are succeeding, we will, they're being defeated once this and arthur chase shifts and new. notice that it's all happening in the more that you're losing to work for people with all their support and of course so, so you want to delay this for us for as long as possible. but i think the new for a long time that there were losing, i opened it. one has to been the objective of this. so why i mean pumping some anyway. if you're the one can make a moral argument, you know,

you should be weapons. they want to give them the right to defend themselves. for example, however, in the united states, they're open about other objectives as well. i'm thinking like petitions like bank cruncher french on with their own and they came out and said, well listen, we should send weapons is a good way of killing russians and weakening one of our main other serious. and we put our lives on the line. so in other words, it, which is so often been repeated by many elder kids of being with us, which is most find this to the last ukrainian and as a result will be yes, of course, the payments will pay your price, but the russians will be severely weakened as well, and this is a bonus and we don't have to pay with an american life. so given that this is, has been an objective, i think you have this incentive for a long time to prolong the war. but obviously, it's a benefit of prolonging the war to weaken russia. however, it comes out with a cost which is creating an army collapse now because they will lose a lot of territory. and this is the territory the americans wanted or the black sea

coast. that's why you have so much interest on glass. so now i need to switch quickly and you know, put the put engine in place for moving towards some kind of diplomatic solution. and of course, this is wonderful news. it just there for critical that's my point. usually, but with george, i mean the, me, the, the, the horses bolted the bar and i mean, why right should be interested in negotiate. now. ok, i mean, because this is good color, cold war 2 point. oh, when the cold shoulder, whatever you want to call it, we're not going back. i mean, the russians have no insensitive and you have no reason to believe any guarantees coming from the west. no, they really don't. and that's why it's so reckless and irresponsible not to have taken the deal in late march. because at that moment, at least some kind of a rum ukrainian state would have survive. it's not clear to me that any kind of

your brain will of the school, because the russians are not going to exact a much heavier price than they were ready to settle in istanbul. and i don't know that will be any kind of the brain left in the black, the black sea coast will be lost. i think it may well be that. busy point is going to move into a grain just to see, you know, there's 4 separate entities of their own or they might join with or a c a so, so there will be anything left. and that's why it's been so be responsible to keep a pressing on the list. and it is, glenn said the objective was just ok. well, it just seems like as much casualties on russia as possible. you know, with the only a proviso is we don't, we don't get into shoot people with russia,

you know, we'll send whatever we can kill as many as we can. but we'll just maintain the level deniability that we're just simply giving them the means to defend themselves . we ourselves and all the involved in this, and i say ok, we're ok. we have some of the casualties. is that, well, you know the glen, i mean there's a, there is a kind of a double whammy. is that we're here not only does brain lose lose very bad, i would entertain some things to georgia saying, what the future of ukraine, whatever you claim will be, is i think in question right now. but the western object was to, to devastate the russian economy in isolate brush at night, one is happen. so it's kind turning into a double defeat, glen. well, definitely, and i, and because for the united states, so have many, many, mo, 1st this looks like you will be very good war because it is what are too many things for one this, i didn't know. ukraine could never become another colon like

a russian country. well, obviously now i think anti russian sentimental dominates for a long time for decades for linda, ukrainian, and roles, more national identity or at least more so in the western parts, but also throughout the country. so also this has been an objective to split russia and ukraine for forever, but also this economic ties because of the rush and, you know, states has been very worried over the past many years now about the economic ties between the europeans and the russians. and the chinese and frustrated about their security guarantees have been being converted into this economic loyalty, but not with us. europeans have cut themselves over russia. they're also now trying to extend this to china and again, all over europe. so let me interesting be linked up to washington. so all the strategic autonomy this is canceled. a sort of kind of interesting thing here is that we think we keep hearing the mantra of ukraine sovereignty, but george about, you go to you. i mean it's the end of european sovereignty is the end of the

sovereignty. and so all of the dreams that you entertain since say 1092 and on dreams here gentlemen have to go to heartbreak. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on some real new stay with our team. ah, you cannot fool the american people all the time. all a lot of the american people will realize that china, a marketing on me real old development and huge investment into manufacturing a benefit not only for the whole whole main line with

who is the aggression. today i'm authorizing the additional strong sanctions today . russia is the country with the most sanctions imposed against it. a number that's constantly growing. but i figure which of the problem was the question, as you speak on the, when you see the most, you mind the or wish you were banding all imports of russian oil and gas new g i g with the look are, can you know we're gonna go to joe biden, imposing these sanctions on russia has destroyed the american economy. so there's your boomerang. ah, well, the magic crossed up were all things considered? i'm, you know, well this is a home addition remind you,

we're discussing some real news with let's go back to georgia in budapest where we're running out of time. the 1st block here, finish your point. we're talking about european sovereignty. moving forward. all the way into thing since 1992 that europe will become a kind of alternative model of the west. so they'll be essentially 2 power blocks in the west of the united states with capitalism. and then there will be the kind of social democratic form of capitalism in europe. and this europe will be kind of the mediating between the united states and russia. china was the 2nd player in 1900. that's gone. that europe is going to be the channel, the model of the west, that's the big on. and then, you know, europe is now being the size of, from russia and as becomes dependent on the united states. but they really,

when it comes to energy because it's going, it's going to suffer energy for some brush which depended on the united states on and dependent on them, at least. so essentially your cost on back was when it comes to that. and so all, you know, the americans have got what they want that. i mean, this was something that we go back to again, 199192 when both of us wrote his famous memorandum or george w bush. because the, you know, we need to prevent any other power dominating the other continental united states as to dominate every single continent. and that will, that nightmare, that there will be a kind of a eurasia that will be free of american dominance. that might now, you know, the americans of all the rest of it for a long time. you know what i guess what's good for washington. now, by definition, bad or what? so when let's talk about europe here, according to the institute for new new social answers in published in the german

obligation bill, one in 6 german skipping meals to save money also holds it's been reported to change the law and poland allowing posted forage for woody forest to keep their houses warm and there's also reports, it's not in on mass yet, but municipalities and brands are giving out food coupons because people don't have enough money to buy food. i mean, this was supposed to happen, right. what happened the euro had exactly. and then that was the prediction within a week or so, the russian economy would collapse with financial collapse and it's cursing instead we see the economy and some going back to growth. supply chains have been reorganized, the financial system is stabilized. and the currency is getting to be too strong. i think it was down to $57.00 roubles on dollar an hour before the war was about $70.00 to $74.00. so it is much stronger than once before. so,

as russia has sailed out of this quite well while the or p and now are struggling a lot, i mean, here it's the currency of not doing well. the financial system and the economy is becoming more, more broken. and i think part of this goes back to this propaganda we have for many years because, you know, it's always been tend to exaggerate the weakness or the strength of an adversary. often we both with russia, either this overwhelming strength of controls and we'll election referendum and you know, finger and everything or is this ridiculous country who can't make you make a radiator? it's just, you know, there's so backwards. and so i think we bought into this russian weakness for and pretending russian economy is the size of the space or something where we fail to recognize that often in we're talking about economic interdependence. there's some economic variables, it's more which creates more than entities. so for example, you know, then the natural reasons are a key that the key metals, all of this things and food, i mean, in many ways. but also high tech with digital johnson only see russia very

much very self sufficient country. and what we're discovering in europe now is we, we have been very dependent on russia, even if we're successful, you know, stop buying russian. gus, for example, and we can buy more expensive, not other places. it's not going to happen. but even if you were successful and this would mean there are industries will no longer be competitive. because russia selling a lot of this resource is not on the discounts to the east. simply because, because of the very quickly i have to reorganize it's training a pattern, so i'm so, so this is huge consequences model is are so sufficient will we also discovered the rest of the world. but really joining on sanctions. you have a few of america allies and so just on this is, this is the problem kind of waking up. it's still believing us tonight is we realizing now just a very different world yet it's, it's very interesting, george,

that when selling just counted russian oil and gas to the global south has the knock on effect making those countries more there, it increases their productivity as productivity in europe decreases because they have higher energy. i mean, did anybody kind of make this through? i already know the answer to that. george, what are the consequences here? i mean, elections have consequences, and i cannot see how the any ruling government in continental europe is going to fair very well. i mean, you can, but you know, when you creating black on your lapel, just for so long when you're standing in line to buy just yet. that's right. and really when you think of your, of your was always very vulnerable on the issue of competitive because it was always, you know, they, they had these again, social marketing me, you know, very expensive labor loss. you know, the other, i will say a famous is always questionable whether they'd be able to compete in the loan

against the asian giant. but now that they're shut themselves in the energy, it's very hard to see how they can compete and more with now the stock with these sanctions because you know, whatever the outcome is going to be here in ukraine, they are going to and the sanctions. and they, you know, they're still, you know, talking up the sanctions or some of the alliance she was in here was yes, on saturday. and again, a ukraine winning. so then now stuck with this, they're stuck with reach with russia. and it's hard to see how we can get around. i mean, the united states, very happy go. we've got rid of our economic rival, asia, obviously have it. but the europe, i mean, i think that believe it really doesn't look. and we can see it politically. i mean, barbara johnson is in a lot of trouble and it's only, you know,

only part of it is because of the, you know, his parties in downing street, but even, that's not the most important thing. i mean, people see what we are, the cost of living and the dia for prospects for this coming winter. this is effect in johnson, is obviously go to, fore, we have to let you know, with other countries, you know, shoals, extremely unpopular. this is going to continue throughout europe to explain it to us here. russia was sanctioned for its military operation and you crane, and then it will be sanctioned when the ukraine is defeated in that operation. so it's, you know, for the, for steve, all future, don't rush, it will be sanctioned by the west. mean, there's no time on line on that. now. go ahead. well, i don't know. so i think they want to get a reward. russia, see how you go into their mindset? yes, of course i will cut through russia even though the sanctions charge us more by going

at some point down, realizing that process making more money was energy now than ever before. are on these are becoming competitive because of this, this a higher fuel costs, but that being said, i think about that. so it's so important shift blame for to someone because when you're sending a reward and who's to blame, and i think you see all these different parties started to blame each other and mentioned before this debate on last year. and i mean, look at the media now, new york times, only a few days ago, argued that the overview of the korean military, you know more about the rush military than you created. obviously this is not true, but what the whole point is that this is the great insulted in share intelligence, and that's where they're going. and also you see other ways too. so for example, you combine administration giving a little bit of ukraine because if they give too much, and if you start crossing territory, russia will strike back and has the reserves, the right to an attack,

training camps being in poland or germany. so they want to give too heavy weapons to, to, to drug america into it. however, the fact that the given look for drones or, or a couple of those high marks, you know, the point is that it looks like there's preempting a future argument saying, listen, we give them everything. we have the most powerful weapons. ukraine is false. i think that this is why it's important to have someone to blame because once you start rewarding russia it is by removing the sanction. so someone has to shift the blame just a quick note to also see ukraine doing a little bit of the same though, because they've gone out and said that they've been losing losing now hundreds of people are this of 200 then like 500 or so session battalion knocked out every day which is or if you, by the way and but this thing and then adding saying this is always sacrifice. but the west is not giving us the weapon we need. so this is quite interesting. so there also kind of the political source, there's also kind of our, you know,

we did everything we could use this, our partners also, if we have to make peace somehow with russia, it looks like we're turning on each others instead to, to see who to blame and again, there's a lot of blame to grown by the so, you know, we're also looking to think time, so i'm not sure if you noticed, or people notice that most of our sources, newspapers, they tend to go to this institute for the study of war and you know, sounds very super academic, but it is actually a thank mer, ideological thing. and now that they didn't want to be informing us about the war. so we might start scrutinizing them because our intelligence is obviously incorrect . ok, george ned, in the nail on the head earlier, i mean it's never the decision makers at all. there's always somebody else. you know, it's bad in tell a bad actors. we should have trusted them, but you know, george and you know, there's one issue when i talk a lot of our counsel or is that there is so much money involved in this year?

i mean, that's one reason to keep it. going to keep for arms, manufacturers, you know, and then you know, revenue transfers, you know, how to remember always out of money, you know. and then that goes somewhere. we don't really know and they don't seem to really particularly care, do they? sure. no, that's not. i mean, it's a huge amount of money. i mean, you know, we talked a lot about that for $40000000000.00 package that congress signed off on in about 2 . 1 hours, but that's on top of all of the other money that has already been boring into it, you know, maybe ready this year. $80000000000.00 just from the united states alone. and we think of the u. k. and canada, everyone else. so that's an awful lot of money. no one has any idea of where it's gone. so yeah, it's, it's mom, these little b as in money laundering operate. some people making a, maybe a very nice living out of the list. and again, you know,

the interested party is these things times who funds these things that they funded by military contractors. i left the study wall which is run by it's a neo conservative. i think it's a instrumental cost in the iraq. okay. but they, they're basically, i look at it, i call it be kind of was the take because it's replacing the red gentleman. that's all the time we want to take my guess. and thanks for watching us here. are the see an ex family member. oh, a

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