korea, china will produce in the matter of just couple of yes will be nuclear power. so even this says the united states need to come to terms that charnise growing. china is becoming more and more important power. and the chinese military might, is something that the united states cannot ignore and they need to come to terms with that. eventually, china will be one of the most important countries in the world. but we promote peace rather than agitating for war in this world. that does it for me this hour, i'll be back in about 29 and a half minutes with another phone for a new say with

hello and welcome to cross talk. we're all things are considered. i people about speaking at the st. petersburg international economic forum. this year, russian president vladimir putin was clear as crystal. russia will stay the course in ukraine until victory is a cheap and more importantly, russia will not compromise its sovereignty in the face of western russia. ah.

to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guest, george samuel, we in budapest, he's upon caster at the goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals. and here in moscow we have to me pre bob, which he is a political analyst and editor and interest me internet media project, or a gentleman, cross accruals and effect. that means you can jump in any time you want. and i also appreciate it. highlight, start off in budapest, and george um, i'm glad american putin gave a remarkable speech at this years. i. he can, i'm a form in st. petersburg. i've been going for about 20 years. i've never seen anything like it before. this is the only thing comparison is um i, his features, meanings as security speech or in munich of 2007 and your initial reaction because there's a lot to chew on their well, it's very interesting that you bring up the music speech because it expresses a continuity of all of his thoughts, ideas that is expressed many times over the munich stage. but i think that he's

really presenting now a shock bifurcation of the world. i mean, it is a decision we're done with the wes and the west has brought about this crisis on itself and the crisis in your brain, the crisis in the economy, the crisis with energy and that we really, we know the russian people are just not interested any longer in working with the west, we have our partners in the rest of the world and he's very negative characterization of what the west is be doing, which is essentially, you know, you exploiting the rest of the world. i mean, it's almost a speech going back to the days of when, when marxist linen are in charge of soviet union in the saying that this policy is that the west is the suit, essentially inflationary policies and has been destroying the rest of the world. i

mean, they've been sucking in goods from the rest of the world, the valuing current state, and then a really great hardship everywhere else. and that's essentially the rest of those. going to start looking toward russia for a lead issue to get out of the economic messed of the western region. so it was very much drawing the lines of, you know, the next couple of generations, a conflict with russian and the wes jim following up with george right here. what was really interesting is that there was no overture. there was a list of complaints and, but there was none of that. there was not reaching out. and i think this is what you know. i agree with george. mean, there's such a continuity from 2007 all the way here because we're done. we're moving on and

there's not much you can do about it. the ma, your thoughts? well, i agree with gorge, announced a condo with the west, but they, he explained that it was not only in the ship. it was the west by a change or very strange action that actually brought the rope to reach. and even when you talked about the company with the west, you said that there will be no. or if you are not going to isolate ourselves, but want to cooperate with those companies that haven't been got to go against, you know, the, the mainstream, you know, in the united states as your union. and also said that these kind of colonialism is more sophisticated. it's not what the market knowledge in the end of the 19th century. it's not about being blown black. so you know,

west period know these people talk about d cohen that age. they get all they receive kipling, you don't have to be call them about that. it doesn't make them i want, you know, i mean, the problem with all can be bird is, is that it is so ready. so you order that it kills actually is a minus the above the old culture was all create and then you while it's and also it was interesting that you basically described, you know, he gave a better example how the west coach late. i mean, the west was sure that the sanctions will crush russia. why? because of the west, the perfect god that has been slain. 30 years the, all the producers flow and guess this is a more involved the calling it, you know, it's already in campus and it was stop by and there guess that it and it was all lies and the,

and demonstrated it with figures. and meanwhile, the united states stoked to be an exporter of food. this is what would you say? i don't know, i haven't read it and people still are 5 years. maybe it was somewhere. you know, suddenly the wall depends on russia and ukraine for green. you know, it no longer depends on the united states or even canada, you know. and of course, the sanctions, which is russia, is facing right now. much bigger than the sanctions imposed on the soviet union. so russia is more ac base if i could jump in here and go to george. i mean, that's interesting. what jim has said here with the the stringent regime of sanctions. instead of lamenting it, it's actually an opening and an opportunity. i mean that the, you're actually the west is actually helping russia make strategic decisions moving forward. because so many things have been taken off the table. so you know why the

french about it. why worry about it? there's a new paradigm and you have to deal with it in the west and swimming, drowned in its own cesspool. for all russia cares. go ahead. yes, the he said that and then he went even beyond that, he said that we need to move beyond in for substitution. i mean, we actually have to be technologically innovative. again, he or pocket back to soviet science when the russians were actually making all sorts of new technological innovations and missed our programs and nuclear weapons and the same. so it will be very much looking forward to an era in which such a rush will no longer even be attempting to be like the west make goods like the west. well there's, well there's a west knows how to make this list. since you go back and see what we must learn to

do, those things are so that we're not gonna bother doing any of that anymore. so i feel just not looking for to the west. and anyway, it was very much on a presentation of the west really. hm. miscalculated as the san they. so they said, he said this is a group. i mean they're, you know, use a street they want to destroy, they fail. and what happens when you launch a war and you fail? well, you're going to pay the price of i think that's, it is very much warning the west, but, you know, we're, we're moving elsewhere. and we're going to start creating a new international economic system. and then he laid out the framework of this new international economic system. you know, it was, i think on the same day as burden speech or minister law spoke he get 3 media

interviews in one of them. the question or the question was, well, in the eyes of the west lock with i don't care about the eyes of the west. we're done. we don't care. see, this is what i think is the significant change is that, that this, this time a dialogue in our partners and all of that is over. and it just really does white noise from the russians right now because they believe in actions and not in words . and not in the opinions of their whole betters because they're not going to be well, i think it's indeed interesting because the dollar was asking. he was asking all the page. all the western mercenaries, i guess, a who was caught in, you know, and the list wanted to crash along in the eyes of the west. these people

version and well basically said, i don't care about the last i care about international law. these people came to the country, they didn't know whose language the dentist was 46, they didn't know. and they held a military own group to terrorize, you know, a secret with the russian speaking lation and they basically destroy organize it. so overall was almost grew but it says which is not typical. he tries to be polite, but in that case, i think barbara won't show that. you know, this is exactly what i like, you know, the west of new instead of that international law. basically it wouldn't, i think it is in his speech that we care about a lot. we don't care about the rules based on if these rules are german,

are very limited countries and a very new to google people in these cuts. but you're exactly right. it is exactly right about the company with the other. wouldn't say gender is rationalistic. you know that the russian minister with auction spoke at this conference. he basically said, ok, you know, these corporate we have with the west doesn't need a local agent. now, there will be other ways because of course, russia, which now has a market of 220000000 people. you know, russia, it's neighbors. it's not enough. you know, we're not going to create a nice way mark and big enough develop. you play, you create a new innovative space. so we need to, we need to pull together with china with, with, with a me to,

it's well good to everyone. basically. i think this was the 1st i, for one of the western was for a minority majority. i was, i was there. i was there. i would have foreigners were definitely in the minority. it's only george me before we go to the breaker. you touched upon it here. i think it's really interesting is that this was also an overture to the world. it wasn't a message to the west because russia stood up to nato and nato was losing nature was lost in its endeavour in ukraine. that sending a very powerful message is that yes, you can stand up to these people and you can when george and i think this is a very well because i was the west tried to do was to break russia economically. it always did a great question militarily, as well, but also to isolate. and of course, if you read the west, the media, let me know rushes like isolated, but of course

a west islip. and it is actually an astonishing indictment on the west. how much it is fail to bring the rest of the world on board? a latin america and asia, africa is pretty much everybody other than the nato gang in europe. but japan, australia, which is all part of the same group of countries. and that's it. you have failed completely to bring anyone else on board. and so that's why you know, you presenting it well. there really isn't new world of the growing up in africa is a growing market. latin american growing market asian market. that's in the west con. go on living, you know, like you center it in the west is not one of the vectors of bro. yeah, it's right. i gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real estate. ah

ah, with ah, since the break away of the donates people's republic was been ranging and don't boss. ukrainian, artillery has been shelling civilian townsend, mining village, is that your more? very lovely deal with a new one with

a deal about one of these up the a little above level of live video. pretty slow boss will did. it was bullet one. ah, welcome back to crossed out. were all things are considered. i peter bell. this is the home addition to remind you were discussing some real news. ah i as go back to d. m a. here in, in moscow, a part of the speech that putin gave are in st. petersburg obviously dealt with ukraine in put, made it very clear that rushes are going to stay the course. it's not. it's going to continue with special milton special military operation. and reading between the lines, russian will determine what victory is when it is um, and it doesn't need any kind of

a interlocutor from the west to end this conflict here. that's a definitely strong message here. but at the same time we had a microphone. um, we had schultz, we have druggie. i think the remaining president also visited give, and one has to wonder what kind of message they're sending because i don't know, i will ask both of you and tell me what you think is it was all about, you know, come kennedy candidate, i'm afraid candidacy into the e u m, which is farcical on its face. but we live in farcical times. i have to wonder the european leaders say, yeah, will give you the option to get in, but not all of it. okay. i guess you got to resolve your problems with russia. ok, i think my opinion, they were emissaries from washington demarco head. well indeed, i think the hope that france and germany could be intermediate between us and your

brain. i think that whole kind of been killed long ago. some of our media did not acknowledge it. there was a very simple trick that the french of the parents use. they said, oh, we need dialogue with whatever that meets, you know. so 8 years this was, you know, the maximum that they would do. so we need dial in really good, you're in all these 8 years. i'll go america. all are, you know, sark, was he, oh, you know, microphone. they were all on the side of the keyboard. let's face it. they went to the front like, you know, they provided with us. they provide it politico and diplomatic support. they are not neutral, you know, and they have never been since the beginning of it. my point is here is i agree with you completely, but now it seems to me that there are those in washington the realize something the

georgia line you've talked about for months is that this was a miscalculation. so instead of having the chrome and shelters and intermediary they're in there, they're kind of in bastards. now they're not, they're not independent actors. what they are is conveying a message because the body mistake, you know, that we're going to take the blame for this. ok, continue, go ahead, would be it could be the one the receiving it with them a very problematic regime and very programmatic person. i mean a zelinski in south and just one day before his arrival, let me call it was you have to set of all trolls. she and he is gonna have to take the deceased the ride to season. they have to choose between democratic ukraine and their relation to russia. i mean, will the, you, you know, it all these did your go so you, great to, to lecture, you know, the child, some of the cartridge was elected by 18000000 people. was that he has to make

a decision. well, this is the problem with the last is thinking his thinking is hierarchical. it's actually very so, you know, yes, he thinks that if i have on my side, the big boss draw by that i can be very rude to everyone on the hill, you know, and this is the same mistake you made with crop in 2018 i guess, you know, when there was this phone conversation in zillion prompts and to ask you thought that because trump won't be lecture trump is the boss and zalinski will subservient . and when that conversation was published, you know, with a scandal, you know, the congress made them publish. it has to look like an idiot because he didn't understand the brown had no power. and it was, it was the basis for an impeachment process in became the basis so that the problem is miscommunication. i mean, micro his lot. today he has

a phone talk with him and he says we should not be a crusher. and on the same day, he signs on all the sending. the french says artillery pieces. great. so he's in the community, but he is a very strange to me saying in reference to our sites. so the problem with these people that they will fail just like they always fail. and of course they're a electro character for mark long who is still facing on an injury, actions in france, which is not winning. and of course, it was also kind of a shield or sholtes, you know, after zelinski basically in south of the president. and after shows has been blasted by the drone and media for not st weapons. ok, you know, he's that curse. so this is just a show for a drama running the show, the george same thing you because it looks to me,

you know, you're not talking about so many times of the, the west is offering russia in off ram. there's always that offer, you know, but basically is what, what would would buy, wants to do jake sell of inventory new and you know, and then he blank and they want mccrendon shows to take the fall for this and say we told them not, you gradings, you know nothing about your grade without the crane when they want to keep their hands, they want to keep their dirty hands clean, but they want the europeans to do it. and basically, as i said, you know, make them a deal about future membership, but makes concessions and get this war over. that's way i read it right now, george. go ahead. well, i can know that the united states actually wants the war to come to an end, because there was an over the weekend in the washington post, which is based on confidential conversations with vitamin ministration, in which they admit that ukraine really has no hope of winning however,

they're going to keep pouring in more and more homes because of the prospect of rationing. this is so dire to the rules based on that, they just have to keep doing it, even if it causes inflation salvation recession all over the world. i mean, it's explicit, this thing, we don't care what we can on the crisis. this is going to cause globally, we're just going to continue doing so. and now we have the latest use that lithuania could be of luck, aging, and graph. so there are forces that get wanting to escalate the situation, but of course it is the europeans who are going to pay the price. and that's always been the plat because they're the ones that are next to your brain and the well, you know what i mean? my family. so i'm sure micro initials when this thing over they want this brought to an end with a loan in a position to do anything because whatever they say and you know,

have them as many times they can go to here. as long as the bible ministration is continuing to on the right as long, you know, you get another bill in the next week. probably they'll be another couple of 1000000000 as long as the 5 people are willing to send in everything and then the, there's nothing for macro go shows to do it. it's essentially just humiliation because we want to keep the lines of communication open. ok. and then when you call, i mean i, i'm not in the kremlin is probably saying, well why, why are you calling ok? we're busy over here. ok. i mean, if you want to piece but you sent weapons. ok, you talk one language, but you have a different way. i mean, and then you have the french president of the german chancellor, just essentially humiliating themselves. day after day. i mean, i mean this is madness and, and, and you and i, and i've been,

i've talked about this for 20 years now. i date ourselves, this is all ideologically. absolutely. well, during the st. petersburg for all the handle, sniffed, eager section that demonized good station. he said that very wise phrase which i reached the western audience. you said the reason for you kill european these and the least most, you know, the humane for marketing. one of you is that now they destroyed, by basically imposing to borrow one russian, oil and gas region, the very best president for the future. these people destroy the reclining in europe and look how many verifications they found, and they always chose the wrong, the wrong direction. you know, obama, you repeat you? yes. well, the rebellion started to see if they could just stay away from it. and somehow things will be sold themselves. no, they wasn't both. and they and they started this really bad civil war right. then

uh, when would you basically cancel the ball being and there was a chemical design with it. they would just, you know, stay with it and say thank you know, they decided to take revenge and they organized these basically don't treat them over there. in 2014 ukraine. ok, that happened. the civil war happened in ukraine, which was a consequence of that. and instead of staying you for the support of the ukrainian army, they go this situation inc or into, into a deadlock that rush to get a bolt in all the 24th of february. so every time they chose the wrong direction, and now a site and writes that 73 percent of beans with russia. ok, then these people wrote it up, want themselves, they are humane. capitalism is debt. i will proceed with the price is by going to

see with our boy amount. why won't proceed with german green vice chancellor say wash yourself with cold water. no, don't use precious. what is this time should be done? well, this is misery. it. georgia during potent speech, he talked about the eventual not possible eventual social unrest in there that's going to be exhibited in the west and, and having new leads. and it seems very prescient to me because the entire premise of the e u by its creators was security and prosperity. and they're not delivering on either one right now. you can't keep talking about it. when reality is the opposite . go ahead, george. yes, yes. unfortunately, the k a e u is leading the conference to austin. he pointed out that

the energy problems along pre date of the position of sanctions, you know, they gambled based on the, you know, they didn't even remotely have the infrastructure for the renewables in place. and we will get rid of the fossil fuels, then they gambled foolishly on these the allies. and so i'm thinking about a russian economy. and then the, you know, they really have no idea what to do next. and what's, what's really happening is they are in be on the mining, not just the basis of the kind of the global kind of financial system with the dollar and the reserve currency, the euro, and everything. because countries are going to just move away from that to what they've done is created the spot market for their ideology. ok, and you could lose big time and they are all the time we have. i want to get somebody to pass that here in moscow,

and thank you for watching us here. are the see next time, remember ah mm . mm hm. needs to come to the russian state local narrative. i've stayed as i'm phone and the most landscape div asking him, i'm not getting calls, i'll send them out for a group in the 55 with. okay, so mine is gonna be the one else with the van in the european union. the kremlin, can you? yep. machine, the state on russia for date and split our t spoke neck, even our video agency, roughly all band to on youtube and pinterest, and with

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