on yeah, and installation situation potentially will, mike, it was not just for the people, if you cry, it will potentially escalate and other countries in the war. they seem to have forgotten that, that bass actually, you know, in the fight a whole new player owns right. which is predicated on the by step my 1st games, we now actually have western latest. he walked countenance single possible. it's a assessed use of nuclear weapons. any tool escalating this war? i think is extremely dangerous. i think it indicates really just how i'm fit for face my 1st job, at least trust all i don't have a real proper understanding of international politics. i don't have a proper understanding of how to actually deal with people when you, thanks for keeping us company here. in our scenes, national were back in 30 minutes with well i

hello and welcome to cross talk. we're all things are considered funeral about speaking at the st. petersburg, international economic form. this year. russian president vladimir putin was clear as crystal. russia will stay the course in ukraine into a victory as a cheap and more importantly, russia will not compromise its sovereignty in the face of western russia. ah.

to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guest, george samuel, we in budapest, he's upon caster at the goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals. and here in moscow we have to me pre bobbitt, she is a political analyst and editor and interest me internet media project. i gentleman cross accruals and effect. that means you can jump in any time you want. and i would appreciate it. highlight, start off in budapest, and george of let america putin gave a remarkable speech at this years or he can, i'm a form in st. petersburg. i've been going for about 20 years. i've never seen anything like it before. this is the only thing comparison is i, his features, meanings as security, speech or in munich of 2007 and your initial reaction because there's a lot to chew on their. well, it's very interesting that you bring up the music speech because it expresses a continuity of all of his thoughts, ideas that is expressed many times over the munich stage. but i think that he's

really presenting now a shock bifurcation of the world. i mean, it's a decision we're done with the wes and the west has brought about this crisis on itself. a crisis in your brain, the crisis in the economy, the crisis with energy and that we're in it. we'll the russian, people are just not interested any longer in working with the west. we have our partners in the rest of the world and he's very negative characterization of what the west is be doing, which is essentially, you know, you exploiting the rest of the world. i mean, it's almost a speech going back to the days when, when mike says lennon are in charge of soviet union is the saying that this policy is that the west is the soon, essentially inflationary policies and has been destroying the rest of the world. i

mean, they've been sucking in goods from the rest of the world, the valuing current state, and then a really great hardship everywhere else. and that's essentially the rest of those. going to start looking toward russia for a lead issue to get out of the economic mess of the western region. so it was very much drawing the lines of, you know, the next couple of generations are completely russian. and the wes jamie, following up with george. right. here, what was really interesting is that there was no overture, there was a list of complaints and but, and there was none of that. there was not reaching out. and then i think this is what you know. i agree with george when there's such a continuity from 2007 all the way here because we're done, we're moving on and there's not much you can do about the may your thoughts?

no, i agree with george, or jim announced a condo with the west, but he explained that it was long oh, in it it was the west by a change all very strange action that actually brought about the seat reach. and even when jim talked about the company with the west 1st, he said that there will be no or take you are not going. so isolate ourselves, we're going to corporate with those companies that will have the guts to go against, you know, that the mainstream. you know, in the united states and in the european union, and also within said that these kind of colonialism is more sophisticated. it's not what the marxist know denounced in the end of the 19th century. it's not about us being blown to be black. so, you know, you know,

these people look about the colonization, they know they perceive it a, but it doesn't make them and they go on, you know, i mean, the problem with this is that it is so ridiculous. so if you order that it kills actually the last, the, the old culture without regions then you well, and the also, it was interesting that basically described, you know, he gave a very good example of the west miscalculate. i mean, the west was sure that the sanctions will crush russia. why? because the wesley propaganda has been saying for 30 years, the, all the producers flow and guess this is a more a month the calling it, you know, it's already. and it was stop by and there guess that it and it was all last and the and demonstrated it with figures. and meanwhile,

the united states spoke to be an exporter of food. this is what would you say? i don't know, i haven't read it into people still in the last 5 years. maybe it was somewhere, you know, suddenly the war depends on russia and ukraine for green. you know, it no longer depends on the united states or even canada, you know. and of course, the sanctions which a russia is facing right now, much bigger than the sanctions imposed on the soviet union. so russia is more ac if i could jump in here and go to george. i mean, that's interesting. what jim is said here with the, the stringent regime of sanctions. instead of lamenting it, it's actually an opening, an opportunity. i mean, you're actually the west is actually helping russia make strategic decisions moving forward because so many things have been taken off the table. so you know why the

french about it, why worry about it? there's a new paradigm and you have to deal with it in the west and swimming, drowned in its own cesspool for all russia cares. go ahead. yes, definitely. he said that. and then he went even beyond that, he says that we need to move beyond in for substitution. i mean, we actually have to be technologically innovative. again, he or pocket back to soviet science when the russians were actually making all sorts of new technological innovations and missed our programs and nuclear weapons and the same. so it is very much looking forward to an era in which such a rush will no longer even be attempting to be like the west make goods like the west. well there's, well there's a west knows how to make this list. since you go back and see what we must learn to

do, those things are so that when i want to bother doing any of that anymore. so i deal with just not looking for to the west in any way. it was very much on a presentation of the west really. hm miscalculated as the said they. so they said, he said this is a pre a street they want to destroy. they fail. and what happens when you launch a war and you fail? well, you're going to pay the price of, i think that's, it is very much warning the west, but, you know, we're, we're moving elsewhere and we're going to start creating a new international economic system. and then he laid out the framework of this new international economic system. you know, it was, i think on the same day as burden speech or minister law. i spoke get 3 media

interviews in one of them. the question or the question was, well, in the eyes of the west lock with i don't care about the eyes of the west. we're done. we don't care. see, this is what i think is the significant change. is that, that this, this time of dialogue in our partners and all of that is over. and it just really does white noise from the russians right now because they believe in actions and not in words, and not in the opinions of their own home betters. because they're not going to be i think it's indeed interesting because the, all of this was asking you was asking all page, all the western mercenaries, i guess a who was caught in, you know, and the list you wanted to say in the eyes of the west these people

version and well basically said i don't care about it. so i care about international law. these people came to the country. they didn't know whose language the dentist was 46, they didn't know. and they helped a group to terrorize, you know, a secret with the russian speaking lation and they basically destroy organize . so overall was almost screwed. but it says, which is not typical. he tries to be polite, but in that case, i think barbara won't show that. you know, this is exactly what i like, you know, the western new instead of international law, basically it would and i think it is in his speech that we care about. it's not a law. we don't care about the rules based on if these rules are german,

are very limited countries and a very new to google people in these cuts. but you're exactly right. it is exactly right. with the other, i wouldn't say gender is rationalistic. you know that the russian minister we can develop oxy spoke at this conference. he basically said, ok, you know, these corporate with the west doesn't mean that mobilization. know, there will be other ways of course, russia, which now has a market of $20000000.00 people. you know, russia, it's neighbors. it's not enough. you know, we're not going to create a nice way mark and big enough develop you place. you know, you create a new innovative space. so we need to, we need to pull together with china with, with, with the middle east. well,

going to everyone. basically. i think this was the 1st stage for where the western was for a minority of georgia. i was, i was there, i was there, i would have foreigners were definitely in the minority. it's only george mcgee, before we go to the breaker, you touched upon your, i think it's really interesting is that this was also an overture to the world. that wasn't a message to the west. because russia stood up to nato and nato was losing nato. his last image endeavor and ukraine, that sending a very powerful message is that yes, you can stand up to these people and you can when george. yeah, really. i think this is a very well because i was the west tried to do was to break russia economically. it always did a great question militarily as well, but also to isolate. and of course, if you read the west, the media lesson media, all russia nicely isolated,

but of course, a west islip. and it is actually an astonishing indictment on the west. how much it is fail to bring the rest of the world on board. a latin america and asia, africa is pretty much everybody other than the nato gang in europe, or japan, australia, which is all part of the same group of countries. and that's it. you have failed completely to bring anyone else on board. and so that's why you know, use presenting it. well, there really isn't. new world of the growing up in africa is a growing market. latin america is growing market asia market that's in the west, congo on a center. it the west is not one of the vectors of bro. yeah, it's right. i gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real estate. ah

ah ah, a oh when i want shown seemed wrong when i just don't move any new world yet to feed out. disdain becomes the attitude and engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves worlds apart, we choose to look so common ground. ah,

welcome back to crossed out. were all things are considered? i peter, well this is the home addition to remind you. we're discussing some real moves. ah i asked go back to d. m a here in, in moscow, a part of the speech that putin gave are in st. petersburg, obviously dealt with ukraine in, put, made it very clear that rushes are going to stay the course. it's not, it's going to continue with special milton special military operation. and i'm reading between the lines brush will determine what, what victory is when it is um, and it doesn't need any kind of a interlocutor from the west to end this conflict here. that's it. definitely strong message here. but at the same time we had a microphone. um, we had schultz,

we have druggie, i think the remaining president i also visited give, and one has to wonder what kind of message they're sending because i don't know, i will ask both of you and tell me what you think it was all about. you know, cam, a kennedy candidate, i'm offering kennedy's scene to the e u. m, which is farcical on its face. but we live in farcical times. i have to wonder the european leaders say, yeah, we'll give you the option to get in. but not all of it. okay, get you got to resolve your problems with russia. ok. i think my opinion, they were emissaries from washington. d mach ahead. well indeed, i think the hope that france and germany could be intermediate between us and your brain. i think that all kind of been killed long ago the, some of the media did not acknowledge it. there was

a very simple treat that the french and the parents use. they said, oh, we need dialogue with whatever that meets, you know. so for 8 years this was, you know, the maximum that they would do. so we need dial in really doing all these 8 years. i'll give america all are, you know, sark was eat oh, you know, microphone. they were all on the side of the cube. let's face it, they went to the front lot, you know, they provided with us. they provide it politico and diplomatic support. they are not usual, you know, and they have never been since the beginning of it. my point is here is i agree with you completely, but now it seems to me that there are those in washington the realize something, the george and i knew talked about for months. but this was a miscalculation. so instead of having the chrome and shelters and intermediary, they're in there, they're kind of in bastards. now they're not,

they're not independent actors. what they are is conveying a message because the bargaining minutes did you know they were going to take the blame for this. ok, continue going to be, it could be the one the receiving it with him, a very problematic regime and very programmatic person. i mean, a zillion sky in south just one day before his arrival. let me quote, would you have to set up charles, she and he is gonna have to take the deceased the ride to season. they have to choose between democratic ukraine and their relation to russia. i mean, with a, so you need to to go. so you, great to, to lecture, you know, the council because it was inactive by 18 medium people that he has to make the decision. this is the program way that the left is thinking. thinking is practical

. it's actually very so, you know, he thinks that if i have on my side, the big boss provider, i can be very rude to everyone on the heel. and this is the same mistake you made with crawl in 1718 i guess. you know, when there was the spoken station and prompt and didn't have to for that because trump want the electric company, the boss, and it will subservient to try it. and one of the conversation was published, you know, with a scandal, the congress made them publish. it didn't ask you look like an idiot, because you didn't understand the problem has no power. it was, it was the basis for impeachment process became the greatest impeachment. so that the miscommunication, i mean my call is live today for as a talk with jim and he says we should not community projects and all the things they did find the nor the sending. the french says artillery pieces ukraine. so he

is an intermediary, but he is a very strange to me sending rebels. so the problem with these people that they will pay just like they always fail. and of course there be a credit at a kind of electro character for mark long. we still facing parliamentary elections in france, which is not weeding. and of course, it was also kind of a shield or short, you know, after jillions, you basically insult the president of the groups and showed has been blocked by the german media for not staying in weapons. ok, you know, he's that curse. so this is just to show a running the show, the george saying, thank you because it looks to me, you know, you know, i've talked about so many times that the, the west is offering russia in off ram. there's always that offer, you know, but basically is what with buying wants to do. jake sell of inventory new and you

know, and then he blank and they want mccrendon shows to take the fall for this and say we told them not gradings. you know, nothing about your grade without the ukraine. when they want to keep their hands, they want to keep their dirty hands clean, but they want the europeans to do it. and basically, as i said, you know, make them a deal about future membership, but makes concessions and get this war over. that's way i read it right now, george. go ahead. well, i don't know that the united states actually once the war to some to and then because there was an over the weekend in the washington post, which is based on confidential conversations with the vitamin ministration in which they admit that ukraine really has no winning. however, they're going to keep pouring in more and more homes because of the prospect of russia winning. this war is so dire to the rules based on that they just have to

keep doing it, even if it causes inflation. salvation recession all over the world. i mean, it is explicit, this thing, we don't care what economic crisis is going to cause globally. we're just going to continue doing so. and now we have the latest use that lithuania could be of locating and graph. so there are forces that keep wanting to escalate the situation, but of course it is the europeans who are going to pay the price and that's always been the path by the ones and then next to your brain. and you, well, you know what, i mean my job, i'm sure my problem is showing this thing over there was brought to an end, but i'm in a position to do anything because whatever they say. 2 and, you know, have a message many times they can go to here as long as the bible ministration is continuing to on the right. as long. you know,

you get another bill in the next week. probably they'll be another couple of 1000000000 as long as the buyer, people are willing to send in everything and then the, the nothing forum macro go shows to do it. it's essentially just humiliation because we want to keep the lines of communication open. ok. and then when you call, i mean i, i'm not in the kremlin probably saying, well why, why you call it. ok. we're busy over here. ok. i mean, you want to piece, but you sent weapons. ok, you talk one language, but you have a different way. i mean, and then you have the french president of the german chancellor, just essentially humiliating themselves, day after day. i mean, i mean, this is madness and, and you and i, and i, even, i've talked about this for 20 years now. i date ourselves, this is all ideologically, and absolutely well during the st. petersburg for all the handle,

sniffed eager station, demonized good station. he sat there, very wise phrase which i reached the welcome audience. you said the reason for you kill european these are you shipping the least, you know, the humane fall market if want to be it is that they destroy it by basically impose it to bar. ready go to russia, oil and gas and region, the very best president for the future. these people destroy the requirement in europe and look how many verifications they found, and they always chose the wrong, the wrong direction. you know, obama, you are being union. well the rebellion started soon, they could just stay away from it and somehow things will be sold themselves. no, they wasn't both. and they and they started this really bad civil war right. then which and basically cancel the booming and there was

a disarmament. the chemical is out of it, they would just, you know, stay with it and say thank you know, they decided to take revenge and they organized these basically don't treat them over the coup in 2014 ukraine. ok. that happened. and then the civil war happened in ukraine, which was a consequence of that. and instead of staying you for the support of the ukrainian army, they, they go this situation into, into, into a den law that rush to get a bolt in all of the 24th of february. so every time they chose the wrong direction, and now you should site and writes that 73 percent of your beans when russia ok, then these people roll it up well themselves. they are humane. happened to this is dead. i want to see with the price is by going to see with our boy now my want to see with german green vice chancellor. say wash yourself with cold water, you know,

don't use pressure. what is this time? if you could tell me, well, this is misery, it ga, during potent speech, he talked about the eventual not possible eventual social unrest. and that's going to be exhibited in the west and, and having new leads. and it seems very prescient to me because the entire premise of the you, by its creators, was security and prosperity. and they're not delivering on either one. right? no, you can't keep talking about it. when reality is the opposite. go ahead, george. yes, yes. unfortunately, the k a e u is leading the conference to austin. he pointed out that the energy problems along pre date of the position of sanctions, you know, they gambled based on the, you know,

they didn't even remotely have the infrastructure for the renewables in place. and we will get rid of the fuel, then they gambled foolishly on these, on the lies. and so i'm thinking about just going to bring the russian economy and, and you know, they really have no idea what to do next. and what's, what's really happening is they are in be on the mining, not just the basis of the kind of the global kind of financial system with the dollar and the reserve currency, the euro, and everything. because countries are going to just move away from that to what they've done is created the spot market for their ideology. ok, and you could lose and they are all the time we have. i want to thank my guess depressed that you're in moscow and thank you for watching us here. are the see next time, remember? ah ah,

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