ah ton of welcome to worlds apart from daycare, if not centuries. russia treasures have mused about the development of north and eastern frontier as one of the key drivers for russia's economic development and security. which however, requires access the world's best technology, with the west cutting almost all ties with russia over ukraine. will those dreams once again, have to be put on ice? well, to discuss that, i'm now joined by alex, see, to call russia's minister for the development of the far east and the arctic minister. it's great to talk to you. thank you very much for a time. good afternoon. now, it's interesting that in the russian language, unlike for example, in english, we can use the word north in plural as north, rather than let's say, singular. and it's indeed an enormous territory in terms of mileage in terms of cultural geological, asinique, industrial, economic, political diversity. but i wonder how you can manage it or even develop the

territory from your office in moscow, which is, you know, many, many 1000 kilometers away. i give you 2 facts about the ration lores and the fairest thresher ease norse. we are to thirt permafrost, and the russia is asia who are 3 quarters in asia. so we cover 18 regions of russian federation, the cause of one being woman's, which speaks a lot about our mandate, the fathers to the go, which is 9 times zones away. so i spend quite a bit of time in their place. now there is a stereotype. governance in russia is extremely centralized, but if one looks deeply into the administrative history of russia, it tends to be the remote regions suffer from the shortage of governance rather than excessive due to you know, remove the lack of logistics infrastructure. sometimes the resentment of the, of the population. you've been

a minister for less than 2 years. what would you say are some of the biggest challenges that you had to face? well ahead quite the long prepared to repair. the chief executive officer is development funds. so i would go and almost 9 years of very close, deep involvement in for eastern and last aspect. and the key fact i would like to say is we have a total new breed of governors. very important. those people who have governors in 2013, when i was 1st told by mister through us to join him a seal, the fund was completely different. but the people who then what we have now. so i think as we call with the future us from the head. but here, i think the development is really, it's very important when the heads of the government, young, technocratic fashion, that the transparent but the people who build the respective teams, who in turn really spread this. this is values. this is about the values and attitude that you know, it's a common problem in the russian regions when you have

a very progressive technocratic people and they come to those remote regions and they do not always establish good connection with the locals. is that a problem? well, i will then see that leadership is very important. this not only a government leadership is social leadership in terms of them to bring years. who are the leaders of actual projects? you know, one of the hardest regions is a basic idea is where she dies. every 3rd citizen has a active criminal record. so of 1000000 people, you have 350000 who either have been to jail or was sentenced. but they have one of the most tech center been years. the guy from children who came back from london. the 8 years in private take, which was very actively investing in real estate. i agree, culture better production and so forth and force. so when they say cases like this,

i do really believe that 1st you have a little island. so i lets you have and i keep the lago and then you have an actual continent of efficiency of progress. you mentioned the words archipelago and one of the associations with the russian eastern, the russian north is alexander soldier, needs and log archipelago that you just mentioned about the one 3rd having active criminal record have anything to do with that legacy? yes, the 1st, originally it was that there are $32.00 bridge resources for 400 years 1st, 1st, then gold, silver, oil, and gas. then it was frontier military frontier to defend. and then it was a big reason. now it's the most dynamic. there are 3 for economy and we call they turn to the east, the bible to the east. i was our pilot to the east happens. so it will confuse you by endorse. because to transport stuff to the east, to really need to develop the know that 0. so this is the one hormone that connects

the far east. and the russian arctic in colorado is the ability to produce stuff in woman region or in, or in the real and transported to asia by, by single endurance. now you mentioned that the change in attitude towards those regions, from exploitative to your, well, even the big prison camp at a certain point. will they ever become places where people actually like to leave rather than being sand for because of some material stimulus or because of some political necessity? do you believe that the development can trump harsh climates in order to turn those territories into real homes? well it is, you know, climate when people say climate, the reason why they don't like to live somewhere. they're not being honest. london doesn't have it. perfect climate. neither do we actually like displaces so.

so this is a very powerful place. it's really a lot of energy in every single the most remote this i'm not that intro call to feel as a very powerful place. so the key thing is reason to be why people come there. and i think this is what is important is we really reignite this feeling of something historical happening. huge projects been done, inspiration, inspirational, exactly. this is about the emotions of the reason why people live their lives the way they do. so i think the 1st is offering and perfect reason for people building this new reality for us. right? in asia, russia and asia and being able to visit of course, the last 3 years were who had to be challenging. but before, before the and they make, especially in the south region so far east, we have our recent financially. it was low for people every month to go go out to korea, to japan, to china. it's like for be, for the most coincidence that this works. so this really gives you a feeling of belonging to asia, which is good. i heard you say before that the russians who more than any other

people know, love and enjoy the norton as much as i one to agree with you. not the recent soviet history for as many examples are pretty heartless and quite exploitative attitude towards that land. do you think the russians have had the opportunity to jo town for what they done for what their pet assessor is down to these parts of the world? well, this work has just begin and they will say a lot remains to be done. we're really trying to clean up the arctic and we are responsible for half the total arctic russian federation. and this is a common goal, so that those that are similar to being developed in the very ecologically responsible way. number one nuclear power, which is used for ice breakers and which is also used to supply key investment projects, is the cleanest powerful then we plan the next generation of vessel storage. on l n

g. and in general, our more produces the biggest amounts of gas. yeah, mo is a huge source of gas which is much cleaner. fuel than cool. so i was in this respect, arctic does contribute to global illogical balance. but of course, certain practices from soviet times when people really didn't pay attention to cleaning up, we have the a sentence in russia called the low that supply, which is in the russian to bring something. but we've never had the take out that. so work out exactly what that was brought there. big barrels of stuff like a lot of math though. so for amazon, so for the stuff is still there, but i'm better optimistic about people especially, you know, being conscious about that. and we have volunteers who go 4 months clean up every region and they personally hold the pretty much every month, a gathering of all northern governors and the government governor produces hundreds

of people. so overall thousands of people volunteers will do that job. now you mentioned russian hydrocarbons and the r c. the russian arctic holds about 25 percent of fresh oil because there is more than 70 percent of natural gas. missouri said the demand for those at least from the european side, has significantly decreased. do you have, if not altogether evaporated? do we have other industries other anchors to stimulate the development plans that the task with implementing? well, it's very important to finish. the job is to be finished and i will natural resources is not the resource curse. it's a god given thrasher, literally the investment projects that we now see in arctic and we develop those that are suited to enable them to take out. those merchandise will print just

$100000000000.00 raving every year in 5 to 7 years from now. 100000000000 the u. s . d. even taking into account the recent political changes and but the world difficult to deal with the world is not confined to the united states and the european states. 2 thirds of the world, they do business with russia. they present the month for those resources and it's pretty much in finance. you only need to check the prices for those oil gas call, mental goals. cope or newco, bellagio, and all the other stuff that i want to produce, just to see because the price is a only objective measurement of the month supply balance. so it's not about only the month of operating. it's about where you have the month, where you have supply all the asian countries being supplied from the russian arctic by key vital, and they're good resources. now, technological expertise and competitiveness have been perennial issues for

a country. we have many bright ideas. we often have difficulties implementing them in practice, right. i'm sure you would agree that our access to western technology has been severely curtailed. can rush a little on its own, doesn't need support and a lot on about whether we can or not we, we should. so we will, when the russia is corner to look at them from the best and in terms of technological self sufficiency, i was, i'm an economist by training and i was frankly, very worried that we built a, an extreme version of consumer capitalism. where we literally converted all the proceedings of when the resources into buying stuff and mostly buying stuff from the west. but of course, historically a russian society was able to produce fantastic things, you know, were launched with new in the 710 years after the end of the most destructive war that has ever happened to russia as well as a huge human cost as well. i mean,

it was to people instead of what they see and what they believe in instead of consumer capitalism, where we were not able to produce a lot of stuff. we will build a creative, socially oriented and solving form of organisation. they will look one, even to pull as capitalism, because russia will never be governed by large balls of capital. russia very, as you know, it's late this place because we are the largest country in the world since i'm to mystic, we will print whatever we minister. i know that i want to argue with you, but i know that prior to due to the russian operation and ukraine, you were one of the advocates of why the confirmation of it for the enterprise, for example, for the development of the russian. i break the right you spoke in favor of that. do you think those plans will still be able to be realized without some of that expertise? it's competitive. number one,

they do not believe that the current freezing of relations will last too long because it's rational for all you may need to look at the rate on key topics like arctic. you cannot have 2 separate camps of countries taking care of arctic rush responsible for the arctic and so in other countries, members, so the arctic council will now simply cancel, okay, to ration. but arctic is unique and it's a in its entirety. so i believe some contest will come to foster, some conscious will take longer, but they believe there will be a restoration of some corporation, but you know, rational through itself into globalization so eagerly. and so i'm prepared of the look at chain that currency steel load freely convertible market steel very much to protect that. then it took them for 2 years to protect them to get it from the nurture. local competence is so of course you need to create conditions so that now

are being create that they truly and even forcefully. that will enable us to a little bit build to that in the strengths that we need as a self sustainable economy. okay, well minister we have to take a very short break right now. we will be back in just a few seconds stationed a lawyer, [000:00:00;00] a ah

ah mm ah welcome back to wells important smith, alex, the chicken, gulf rushes minister for the development of the forest and the arctic minister. you mentioned the issue of their russian nor see a root a couple of times and the russians try to just usually talk about it as you know, something that can turn russia into this logistical superpower. but i wonder if the recent experience of the air travel industry with many western companies and not only western companies, limiting flights to and over russia. oh, for a bit of

a cautionary tale in this regard. even if we develop it, do we have enough demand? well, i know in big detail every single project that needs loaded and sealed to export. it's a produce for 40 percent of that there's liquefied natural guess. old investment was already made and 5 to 7 years from now. we need to exports $50000000.00 poles per year. the other one is oil by ro sniffed investment already made 5 to 7 years another 15000000 pounds. i will not even go further because the russian driven demand is the russian during the month executive and the month of the merchandise is in asia. but the good has the, have to be transported from the arctic, from your mouth, from laurels, from chicago to asian markets. the only way to do that is by completing the development of that. and by completing the ice breaking fleet, the ice class transports fleet force, satellites, communication, infrastructure,

security and emergency infrastructure. this will be done. now, the development of the arctic is very intimately linked to the issue of the climate change. and i heard you say that for you, there is no debate whether or not it's happening simply based on the number of natural calamities and emergency patients you have to pay attention to. is there something that russia or any other country can really do to fully prepare itself for that? a given the unpredictability for what is actually happening scale, you know, the, the most efficient solution. so usually the simplest and the most obvious use more nuclear power, burn less coal, isn't that simple? so why is friends a very developed and intelligent country using almost 80 percent of nuclear power? and why is germany giving up on nuclear power? why? so? it's politics. that's people, you know, the psychology people perceive risks differently. so you call the french more

intelligent and germans look necessarily know because then it would have to, through the english and they tell them to make it the and then it goes. but what i'm saying is we have proven solutions that already exists hundreds of times and nuclear power is one such solution that the humanity needs to use much more broadly . and for instance, what we do is we use floating nuclear stations. we're the 1st example in the world and now even building to supply new investment projects, we're building 4 of the 4 of those. this could be used anywhere in the world. wherever people live on the sea shore, buick and dock floating nuclear station. then you have $5060.00 megawatts per block administer you are talking about not exacerbating using technology not to exert surveyed the problem, but the problem already exists. and you know, a nature generally doesn't recognize borders. neither do flood fires, smoke. we share a very large border with china, which, you know,

whatever your political tend to do or political feelings, we may have to have one another is the biggest polluter in the world, right. are there any ways to ensure that the actions of somebody else in reality, do not affect us? that's what i'm asking them. well, you know, before the, before, the unprecedented, the baker with western sanctions and the western economic attack on russia. i was a pinion that the climate climate the agenda was to be the unifying mechanism to force certain countries to do what all the other countries one, because otherwise, how can you force india? you're talking about china. but thinking about india, one in the have 1000000000 people who are eager to catch up on industrial development and who needs to burn billions of tons of coal for that. and in there is a vibrant democracy. they will do whatever they people want. it's

a genuine democracy in the indian leaders will do what, what people want and people will ship our ship, our frankly, in the farmers and to look care about he'll to emissions with respect. so how can you force them to do and you think it's impossible. that's why it's really, it requires a multilateral mechanisms and the healthy international system of international relations that what we really do not observe right now. i even heard you compare the issue of climate change to the efforts to, to the efforts of trying not to have another 3rd exam in the 2nd half of the way. exactly. now, if around the possibility of a global conflict has dramatically increased, doesn't mean that we are doing in the realm of climate change. because clearly the global agenda takes not just the 2nd, but you can see to whatever your political necessity there is. well,

i try to follow the wise men and they see the business leaders and none of them stopped is g agenda for one minute. in spite of the last couple of months, we're really busy for largest ration businesses to read just to find new ways of, you know, supplies, financial mechanisms, new markets, you'll logistical systems. still all of them keep on the strength of g, a certain level of you know, greenery of ecological balance because it will come, it will come as a global tax or in some other ways. those businesses who will ignore this topic. they will be hit by a certain tax, whatever. it's called the carbon tax or, and suddenly it's so i think that businesses must big really and that's what's happening given that you have experience in both the corporate world and the governing world. and i assume some knowledge of how those things are operating in

the west. who do you think have the most influence on the, on the, on the climate change issue or is it the business leaders alternately be the government or political leaders? well, it's all connect. you know, because business leaders, they are interested in political stability, political leaders. they are sort of more attuned to popular sentiment, but people are sentiment is being formed by businesses because businesses produce information. that's your business. so we see a lot of, again, well propaganda information. what you call it, we see a much stronger ecological movement which creates a warners and people start thinking about this is the concern for their environment among the masses among the public. still, they are given all the propaganda. they've been sad about the ukranian war. remember 6 months ago, everyone was talking about the dynamic. now much less. so i think climate change will re merge as an important topic at some point because people see floods, people see fires, people see heat waves,

and it makes the news. so now the past couple of months, the ukraine prices may have been used, but even already i think there is a certain tiring of that, but climate change will remain. and our arctic is a very important arena where the climate change will manifest and will be discussed . now you mentioned the issue of the damage and one of the potentially very dangerous issues you raised before was that those biological security growth as the permafrost melts. it may release ancient viruses, right? how big is a, is a thread over, another major pandemic that our and those territories may, well, i will not answer you about the make. i'm not a biological expert, but that's a real risk as far as here. i can, the risk is releasing called me saying that this contained in permafrost, and it's a very, very actual risk because artic hits up faster than the rest of the world. if it's

up because all the accumulate the climate pollution in the previous hundreds of years and now we have 2.5 percent foster heating up of our kick as i told you. and that was well known. russia 65 percent from a for us, a lot of our cities and a lot of our businesses i built on permafrost. so not only that infrastructure is at risk, but all the new st temperature in that permit for us. if it goes into the atmosphere, the whole planet will suffer badly. so that's why we are interested in containing global warming and containing climate change, subject to using reasonable solutions. as i said, we shall not create some fantastic or financial speculation, making us aware, you know, trillions of dollars exchange trends in some obscure financial instrument carbon credits. but where is the actual real, you know, clean electricity and it has to be clean, you know, the german and it's called and there are 2. well,

there the germans shift to clean energy resulted in german burning more coal because they needed more reserve capacity to insure against fluctuations in their engine demand. that shall not be the case. so it's really has to be made that much more responsible minister. i've covered the work of the council for a couple of years and this used to be the platform was some of those issues were debated them, but even some decisions were made. i remember that even the canadians and the americans used to tell that the russians actually good in the north. so it was an area of genuine corporation. and i think a place where we try to treat each other fairly. but as you mentioned, they are to go. counsel gathers last march and it pretty much excluded russia. do you think there's any venue left for those ties to be built meaningfully within the impact it has to be because the arctic humanity is concerned. all humanity,

we receive questions and the important thing quarters about arctic from china, india, the middle east, south east asia. everyone is concerned about what happened started, how those that are similar to getting people for what is global warming? how to update and the g resources of the arctics. so we cannot have a small group of countries, yellow, 7 countries to exclude $170.00 countries from that topic. so i believe will return to reasonable dialogue in some time. am i hearing you correctly? the bi, excluding russia, the arctic council pretty much canceled itself as, as if i give it a shot to the arctic into. but you can look, you know, you can look cut up into and hope to contain what it's got. so now you have an empty half of nothingness, and we have to resume normal consultations, normal dialogue as soon as possible. and finally, russia has the largest cross line in the arctic,

and it's also an area of vital for the country security. it hosts the number of strategic military installations and western animals have long been using russia trying to militarize the north. i wonder how much corporation or even synergy there is between your ministry and the minister minister of defense. we support our serviceman in all respects. and i have to tell is that our arctic shield is very strong and the people for serv that are very brave. it's my one, there are to spend some time with them. and frankly, it gives me a lot of inspiration. so it doesn't give you also have the information for development, i guess can it be use time l. tenuously both the building, there's no installations and developing that. everybody does their own work. so military protects businessmen create businesses. the government insurance, social infrastructure, insurers, education, health care and all the other things. and as i told you that, can you read the governors who create their own them

a really very positive environments where it positive vibe. look at the mormons courage and look at that house against the look at every single one of them. yeah, malia, which is true called car. you see people who are in the loft, what they do, and love the region where the leaf and they don't want to move to more school. so i see those eyelids that's archipelago off. muriel. it's he being created in artic and we do our best to support that well, minister, we have to live in there. thank you very much for this very inspiring conversation . thank you. and thank you for watching hope to see again and wells apart. ah with me.

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