let it close, deep involvement in for eastern and low aspects. and the key fact i would like to say is we have a total new breed of governors. very important. those people who are governors in 2013, when i was 1st of all by nice the through you have to join him. a seal of the fun was completely different, but the people who then what we have now. so i think as we call with the fisher us from the head. but here, i think the development is really, it's very important when the heads of the government, young, technocratic fashion, that the transparent but the people who build the respective teams, who in turn really spread this. this is values. this is about the value and attitude, but you know, it's a common problem in russian regions when you have a very progressive technocratic people and they come to those remote regions and they do not always establish good connection with the locals. is that a problem? well, i would insist that leadership is very important. there's not only

a government leadership, a social leadership in terms of center, bring yours. who are the leaders of actual projects? you know, one of the hardest regions is a basic idea is where she dies. every 3rd citizen has a active criminal record. so of 1000000 people, you have 350000 who either been to jail or was sentence. but they have one of the most extra center figures. the guy from chicago who came back from london of the 8 years in private take, which was very actively investing in real estate, agriculture, better production, and so forth and so forth. so when they say cases like this, i do really believe that 1st you have a little island. so i lets you have and i keep the law go and then you have an actual continent of efficiency of progress. you mentioned the word i can telegraph, one of the associations with the russian eastern russian north is alexander

a soldier. nissan. rog, archipelago that you just mentioned about the va, kylie one sir, is having active criminal record. doesn't have anything to do with that legacy. yes . the for is originally it was that there are 3 to bridge resources for 400 years 1st, 1st, then gold, silver, oil, and gas. then it was frontier military frontier to defend. and then this was a big reason. now it's the most dynamic. there are 3 for economy and we call they turn to the east, the pilots to the east. i would say our pilot to the east happens. so they will confuse you via norse, because to transport stuff to the east to really need to develop the northern europe. so this is the one hormone topic that come back to the far east, and the russian arctic. and the color are sure is the ability to produce stuff in woman region or an hmo, or in the real and transported to asia by, by single endurance. now you mentioned the center of the change in attitude towards

those regions from exploitative to your. well, even the big prison camp at a certain point will be ever become places where people actually like to leave rather than being sound for because of some materials stimulus or because of some political necessity. do you believe that the development can trump harsh climates in order to turn those territories into real homes? well, it is, you know, climate when people say the climate, the reason why they don't like to live somewhere. they're not being honest. london doesn't have a perfect claim and neither do we actually like this places. so i was, this is a very powerful place. is really a lot of energy in every single the most remote that i'm not that into quite a few months, a very powerful place. so the kissing is the reason to be why people come there. and i think this is what is important is we really reignite this feeling of

something historical happening. huge projects been done. inspirations potentially. exactly. this is about the emotions of the reason why people live their lives the way they do. so i think the 1st is offering at perfect reason for people building this new reality for us, right? in asia, russia and asia and being able to visit of course, the last 3 years were who had to be challenging. but before, before the and they make, especially in the 1000 in region, so the 1st half hour, financially, it was low for people every month to go out to korea, to japan, to china. it's like for be, for the most coincidence that this works. so this really gives you a feeling of belonging to asia, which is good. i heard the say before that the russians who more than any other people know, love and enjoy the norton as much as i one to agree with you. not so recent soviet history for as many examples are pretty heartless and quite exploitative attitude towards that land. do you think the russians have had the opportunity to jo town

for what they done for what their predecessors down to these parts of the world? well, this work has just begin and i will say a lot remains to be done. we're really trying to clean up the arctic and we are responsible for half the total arctic russian federation. and this is a common goal. so it knows that sooner what is being developed in the very ecological responsible way. number one nuclear power, which is used for ice breakers and which is also used to supply key investment projects, is the cleanest powerful then we plan the next generation of vessels to run on l. n g. and in general, our last produces the biggest amounts of gas. yeah, mo is a huge source of gas, which is much cleaner. fuel than cool. so i was in this respect, arctic does contribute to global illogical balance. but of course,

certain practices from soviet times when people really didn't pay attention to cleaning up, we have the a sentence in russia cold. and those that are supply, which is in the russian to bring something. but we've never had the take out that. so what exactly what that was brought there, big barrels of stuff like a lot of math though, so for amazon, so for the stuff is still there, but i'm better optimistic about people, especially youth now being conscious about that. and we have volunteers who go 4 months clean up every region and they personally hold the pretty much every month, a gathering of all northern governors. and they, regardless, governor producers, hundreds of people. so overall thousands of people volunteers will do that job. now, you mentioned russian hydrocarbons and the r c. the russian arthur holds about 25 percent of russian oil because there is more than 70 percent of natural gas to

preserve the demand for those, at least from the european side has significantly decreased. do you have, if not altogether evaporated? do we have other industries other anchors to stimulate the development plans that the task with implementing? well, it's very important to finish the job. that is to be finished and natural resources is not the resource curse. it's a god given thrasher, literally in listening projects that we now see in arctic and we develop those are and zeroed to enable them to take out. those merchandise will print just $100000000000.00 raving every year in 5 to 7 years from now. 100000000000 the u. s . d. even taking into account the recent political changes and world difficulties. the world is not confined to the united states and in europe and states. 2 thirds

of the world, they do business with russia. they present the month for those resources, and that's pretty much in finance. you only need to check the prices for those oil gas call, mental goals cope or nikolai gym. and all the other stuff that i want to produce, just to see because the price is a only objective measurement of the month supply belen. so it's not about only the month of operating, it's about where you have the month, where you have supply all the asian countries being supplied from the russian arctic may vital and there are good resources. now technological expertise and competitiveness have been perennial issues for a country. we have many bright ideas. we often have difficulties implementing them in practice, right? i'm sure you would agree that our access to western technology has been severely curtailed. 2 can rush a little on its own,

doesn't need support from they are not only about whether we can or not we, we should. so we will when russia is corner to lloyd from the best. and in terms of technological self sufficiency, i was, i'm an economist by training and i was frankly very worried that we built a, an extreme version of consumer capitalism. where we're literally converted all the proceedings of when the resources into buying stuff and mostly buying stuff from the west. but of course, historically, russian society was able to produce fantastic things, you know, were launched with new in the 710 years after the end of the most destructive war that has ever happened to russia as well as a huge human cost as well. i mean, and it was to people instead of what they see and what they believe in instead of consumer capitalism, where we were not able to produce a lot of stuff. we will build a creative, socially oriented and solving form of organisation. they will look one,

even to pull as capitalism, because russia will never be governed by large balls of capital. russia very, as you know, it's place place because we are the largest country in the world. since i'm up to mistake, we will produce whatever we minister i know that i want to argue with you, but i know that prior to the, to the russian operation in ukraine, you were one of the advocates of you know, why their confirmation of it for an enterprise, for example, for the development of the russian. i break this lee, right? you spoke in favor of that. do you think those plans will still be able to be realized without some of that expertise? it's competitive. number one, they do not believe that the current freezing of relations will last too long because it's rational. all humanity, just look at the right total key, thought dixon, like arctic you can lot, have 2 separate camps of countries and taking care of arctic rush responsible for

how the arctic and 7 other countries member. so the arctic council who now is simply cancelled. ok. proration, but arctic is unique and it's a in its entirety. so i believe. so i'm conscious will come to foster some conscious will take longer, but they believe there will be a restoration of some corporation. but, you know, rational through itself into globalization so eagerly. and so i'm prepared to look at chain that current to steal, load freely, convertible, market steel, very much to protect that. then it took them 40 years to protect and to get it from the nurture local competence. so of course, you need to create conditions so that now are being created naturally and even forcefully. that will enable us do a little bit build to that in the strengths that we need as a self sustainable economy. okay, well minister we have to take a very short break right now. we will be back in just a few seconds stationed a for

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a couple of times. and the russians try to just usually talk about it as you know, something that can turn russia into this logistical superpower. but i wonder if the recent experience of the air travel industry with many western companies and not only western companies, limiting their flights to an over russia. oh, for a bit of a cautionary tale in this regard. even if we develop it, do we have enough demand? well, i know it in big detail, every single project that needs loaded and sealed to export. it's a produce for, for to sense of that the liquefied natural gas, all the investment was already made. and then 5 to 7 years from now, we need to export $50000000.00 per year. the other one is oil by ro sniffed investment already made 5 to 7 years and other 50000000 miles. i will not have him go further because the russian driven demand is the russians are in demand. exactly the demand for the merchandise is in asia,

but they would have to have to be transported from the arctic from from laurels, from 2 quotes to asian markets. the only way to do that is by completing the development of november cyril by completing the ice braking fleet, the ice class transports fleet for satellites communication, infrastructure, security, and emergency infrastructure. this will be done now. the development of the arctic is very intimately linked to the issue of the climate change. and i heard you say that for you, there is no debate whether or not it's happening simply based on the number of natural calamity and emergency patients. you have to pay attention to, is there something that russia or any other country can really do to fully prepare itself for that given the unpredictability of what is actually happening? gail, you know, the most efficient solution. so usually the simplest and the most obvious use more

nuclear power burden less coal, isn't that simple? so why is friends a very developed and intelligent country using almost 80 percent of nuclear power and was germany giving up nuclear power? why? so? it's politics. that's people, you know, the psychology people perceive risks differently. so you call the french more intelligent and germans look necessarily because then it would have to, through the english and they tell them to make it the and then it goes. but what i'm saying is we have proven solutions that already exist hundreds of times and nuclear power is once i notion that the humanity needs to use much more broadly. and for instance, what we do is we use floating nuclear stations. we're the 1st example in the world, and now even building to supply new investment projects, we're building 4 of the 4 of those. this could be used anywhere in the world. wherever people live on the sea shore. you can talk a floating nuclear station,

then you have 5060 megawatts per block administer you are talking about not exacerbating using technology not to exert surveyed the problem, but yes, the problem already exists. and you know, a nature generally doesn't recognize borders. neither do you floss fires smoke? we share a very large border with china, which, you know, whatever your political tend to your political feelings we may have to and one another is the biggest polluter in the world, right? are there any ways to ensure that the actions of somebody else in reality, do not affect us? that's what i'm asking them. well, you know, before the, before the unprecedented baycove with western sanctions and the western economic attack on russia. i was so they've been that the climate climate. the agenda was to be the unifying mechanism to force certain countries to do what all

the other countries one, because otherwise, how can you force india? you're talking about china, but thinking about india, one in the have 1000000000 people who are eager to catch up on industrial development and who needs to burn billions of tons of coal for that. and in there is a vibrant democracy. they will do whatever they people want. it's the genuine democracy they enjoy live, that us will do what they, what people want and people will ship our ship. our frankly, indian farmers do not care about, he'll do emissions with respect. so how can you force them to do it? and you think it's impossible. that's why it's really multilateral mechanisms and the healthy international system of international relations that what we really do not observe right now. i even heard you compare the issue of climate change to the efforts to the efforts of trying not to have another 3rd exam or in the 2nd half of

that. exactly. now if you look around the possibility of a global conflict has dramatically increased, doesn't mean that we are doomed in the realm of climate change. because clearly this global agenda takes not just a 2nd, but you can see to whatever your political necessity there is. well, i try to follow the wise men and they seize a business leaders and none of them stopped is g agenda for 1000000. in spite of the last couple of months, we're really busy for largest ration businesses to read just to find new ways of, you know, supplies, financial mechanisms, new markets, and you'll logistical systems. still, all of them keep on the threat, the g. a certain level of you know, greenery of ecological balance because it will come, it will come as a global tax or in some other ways. those businesses who will ignore this topic. they will be hit by a certain tax, whatever. it's called the carbon tax or,

and suddenly it's so i think that businesses must big really and that's what's happening given that you have experience in both the corporate world than the governing world. and i assume some knowledge of how those things are operating in the west. who do you think have the most influence on the, on the, on the climate change? is it the business leaders automatically be the government or political leaders? well, it's all connect, you know, because business leaders, they are interested in political stability, political leaders. they are sort of more attuned to popular sentiment, but football or sentiment is being formed by business because businesses produce information, that's your business. so we see a lot of, again, well propaganda information, what you call it, we see a much stronger ecological movement which creates a warners and people start thinking about this is the concern for their environment

among the masses among the public. still, they are given all the propaganda. they've been fat about the ukranian war. remember, 6 months ago, everyone was talking about the pandemic. now much less. so i think climate change will re merge as an important topic at some point because people see floods, people see fires, people see heat waves, and it makes the news. so now the past couple of months, the ukraine prices may have been used, but even already i think there is a certain tiring of that, but climate change will remain. and our arctic is a very important arena where the climate change will manifest and will be discussed . now you mentioned the issue of the damage and one of the potentially very dangerous issues, your res, before was that those biological security as the permafrost smells, it may release ancient viruses, right? how big is a, is

a thread over when other major pandemic that our and those territories may well, i will not answer you about that. and they make him not a biological expert. but is that a real risk? as far as the risk is releasing all the me said that this contained permafrost, and it's a very, very actual risk because arctic hits up faster than the rest of the world. if you'd stop because all the accumulate the climate pollution in the previous hundreds of years and now we have 2.5 percent faster. heating up of our kick as i told you. and that was well known roughly 65 percent from a for us, a lot of our cities and a lot of our businesses i built on permafrost. so not only that infrastructure is at risk, but all the new fame captured in the permit for us. if it goes into the atmosphere, the whole planet will suffer badly. so that's why we are interested in containing global warming and companion climate change, subject to using reasonable solutions. as i said,

we shall not create some fantastic or financial speculation, making us aware, you know, trillions of dollars exchange change in some obscure financial instrument carbon credits. but where is the actual real, you know, clean electricity and it has to be clean, you know, the german and it's called energy. well, they're the germans shift to clean energy result at the german burning more coal because they need that more reserve capacity to insure against fluctuations in orange demand. that shall not be the case. so it's really has to be managed much more responsible minister. i've covered the work of the council for a couple of years, and this used to be the platform with some of those issues were debated and that even some decisions were made. i remember that even the canadians and the americans used to tell that the russians actually good in the north. so it was an area of genuine corporation. and i think place where we try to treat each other fairly. but

as you mentioned, they are to counsel gathers last march and it pretty much excluded russia. do you think there's any venue left for those ties to be built meaningfully within the impact it has to be because the artic humanity is concerned. for all humanity. we receive questions and the important to inquire about arctic from china . india, the middle east, south east asia. everyone is concerned about what happened started, how those that are serious is going to hold for what is global warming, how to update and the g resources of the arctics. so we can have a small group of countries, low 7 countries to exclude $170.00 countries from that topic. so i believe will return to reasonable dialogue in some time. am i hearing you correctly that by excluding russia, b r. c, council pretty much canceled itself as, as if i say,

shots the arctic into but you can look, you know, you can look it up into and hoping to contain what it's got. so now you have an empty half of nothingness, and we have to resume normal consultations, normal dialogue as soon as possible. and finally, russia has the largest coastline in the arctic, and it's also an area of bio for the country security. it hosts the number of strategic military installations and western analysts have long been using rush of trying to militarize the north. i wonder how much corporation or even synergy there is between your ministry and the minister minister of defense. we support our serviceman in all respects, and i have to tell is that our arctic shield is very strong and the people for serv that are very brave. it's my wonder to spend some time with them and frankly gives me a lot of inspiration. so it doesn't give you also the inspiration for development,

i guess can it be use time 10 years and they both they building on installations and developing. everybody does their own work. so military protects businessmen create businesses. the government ensure social infrastructure, insurers, education, health care and all the other things. and as i told you, that new breed of governors who create their own them a really very positive environment where a positive vibe. look at the middle month page and look at that. and get to school at every single one of them. yeah, molly, to quote you see people who really love what they do and love the region whether leaf and they don't want to move to more school. so i see those islands that are keep the lago off new reality being created, then artic and we do our best to support that well, minister, we have to live there. thank you very much for this very inspiring conversation. thank you, and thank you for watching hope to see again was the parts with

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