for me, what's good? oh ah ah, ah, with me turn to welcome to wells apart for daycare if not centuries russians strategies have mused about the development of northern and eastern frontier as one of the key drivers for russia's economic development than security. which however, requires access the world's best technology, with the west cutting almost all ties with russia over ukraine. will those dreams

once again, have to be put on ice? well, to discuss that, i'm now joined by let's see, chicken cough, russia's minister for the development of the forest and the arctic minister. it's great to talk to thank you very much for time. good afternoon. now it's interesting that in the russian language, unlike for example, in english, we can use the word north in plural as north, rather than let's say, singular. and it's indeed an enormous territory in terms of mileage in terms of cultural geological, ethnic, industrial, economic, political diversity. but i wonder how you can manage it or even develop that territory from your office in moscow, which is, you know, many, many of thousands of kilometers away. i give you 2 facts about the russian norse in the far east. russia is norse, we are 2 3rd permafrost, and the russia east asia were 3 quarters in asia. so we cover 18 regions of

rational federation, the cause of one being woman's, which speaks a lot about our mandate, the fathers to on the corsica, which is 9 times zones away. so i spent quite a bit of time in their place. now, there is a stereotype. governance in russia is extremely centralized, but if one looks deeply into the administrative history of russia, it tends to be the remote regions suffer from the shortage of governance rather than excess of a due to remove the lack of logistics infrastructure. sometimes the resentment of the, of the local population. you've been minister for less than 2 years. what would you say are some of the biggest challenges that you have to face? well ahead quite the long preparatory period. the chief executive officer is development funds. so i put count almost 9 years of very close, deep involvement in for eastern and those are the aspects. and the key fact i would

like to say is we have a total new breed of governors. very important. those people who had governors in 2013, when i was 1st told by mister, through the us to join him a seal, the fun was completely different. breed of people than what we have now. so i think as we call with the fishers from the head, but here i think the development is really, it's very important when the heads of the government, young, technocratic fashion, that the transparent but the people who build the respective teams, who in turn really spread this this is values, this is about the values and attitude, but you know, it's a common problem in the russian regions. when you have a very progressive technocratic people and they come to those remote regions and they do not always establish good connection with the locals. is that a problem? well, i will then see is that leadership is very important. there's not only a government leadership of social leadership in terms of them to bring years. are

the leaders of actual projects. you know, one of the hardest regions is a basic idea is where to dies. every 3rd citizen has a active criminal record. so of 1000000 people, you have 350000 who either have been to jail or was sentenced. but they have one of the most tech center printers, the guy from the who came back from london, the 8 years in private take, which was very actively investing in real estate. i agree, culture, better production, and so forth and so forth. so when they say cases like this, i do really believe that's 1st you have a little island, so i lets you have and i get the lago and then you have an actual continent of efficiency of progress. you mentioned the word archipelago and one of the associations with their russian eastern, the russian north is alexandria soldier. need since the archipelago that you just mentioned about the buckeye one 3rd having active criminal record batteries have

anything to do with that legacy? yes. the 1st, originally it was that there are $32.00 practice resources for 400 years. first, 1st, then gold, silver, oil, and gas. then it was frontier military frontier to defend. and then it was a big reason. now, it's the most dynamic. there are 3 for economy and we call they turn to the east, the bible to the east. i was our pilot to the east happens. so it will confuse you via lores because to transport stuff to the east to really need to develop the northern europe. so this is the one hormone topic that connects the far east and the russian arctic and the colorado is the ability to produce stuff in woman region or an hmo, or in the real and transported to asia by, by single endurance. now you mentioned the change in attitude towards those regions, from exploitative to your well, even the, the big prison camp at

a certain point. will they ever become places where people actually like to leave rather than being found for because of some material stimulus or because of some political necessity? do you believe that the development can trump harsh climates in order to turn those territories into real homes? well, it is, you know, climate when people say the climate, the reason why they don't like to live somewhere is not being honest. london doesn't have a perfect climate. neither do or we actually like display so, so i was, this is a very powerful place is really a lot of energy in every single the most remote. there's another inter corsica feel as a very powerful place. so the key thing is the reason to be why people come there and the think this is what is important is we really reignite this feeling of something historical happening. huge projects been done inspiration, spring. sure, exactly. this is about the motions of the reason why people live their lives the

way they do. so i think the 1st is offering and perfect reason for people building this new reality of rush right in asia, russia and asia and being able to visit of course, the last 3 years were who had to be challenging. but before, before the foundation, especially in the south region, so over the 1st half hour, financially, it was low, mo, for people every month to go go out to korea, to japan, to china. it's like, for be, for most coincidence that this works. so this really gives you a feeling of belonging to asia, which is good. i heard you say before that the russians who more than any other people know, love and enjoy the notion as much as i one to agree with you. not a recent soviet history for as many examples are pretty heartless and quite exploitative attitude towards that land. do you think the russians have had oper, change your tone for what they done for what their pet assessor is down to these

parts of the world? well, this work has just begin and i will say a lot remains to be done. we're really trying to clean up the arctic and we are responsible for half the total arctic russian federation. and this is a common goal that knows that and see what is being developed in the very ecologically responsible way. number one nuclear power, which is used for ice breakers and which is also used to supply key investment projects, is the cleanest powerful then we plan the next generation of vessel storage. on l n g. and in general, our more reduces the biggest amounts of gas. yeah, mo is a huge source of gas which is much cleaner. fuel than cool. so i was in this respect, arctic does contribute to global ecological balance. but of course, certain practices from soviet times when people really didn't pay attention to

cleaning up, we have the a sentence in russia called the last in supply, which is in the russian to bring something. but we never had the take out that. so what exactly what that was brought there, big barrels of stuff like a lot of math though, so for him and so forth and stuff is still there, but i'm better optimistic about people, especially youth now being conscious about that. and we have volunteers who go 4 months clean up every region and they personally hold the pretty much every month, a gathering of all northern governors and the government governor produces hundreds of people. so overall thousands of people volunteers will do that job. now you mentioned russian hydrocarbons and the arctic the russian arctic holds about 25 percent of fresh oil because there is more than 70 percent of natural gas. missouri said the demand for those at least from the european side,

has significantly decreased. do you have, if not altogether evaporated? do we have other industries other anchors to stimulate the development plans that the task with implementing? well, it's very important to finish. the job is to be finished and i will natural resources is not the resource curse. it's a god given thrasher, literally the investment projects that we now see in arctic and we develop those and 0 to enable them to take out. those merchandise will print just $100000000000.00 raving every year in 5 to 7 years from now. 100000000000 the u. s . d. even taking into account the recent political changes and but the world's difficulty, the world is not confined to the united states and the european states. 2 thirds of the world, they do business with russia. they present the month for those resources and it's

pretty much in finance. you only need to check the prices of those oil gas call, mental gold cope, or nikolai gym. and all the other stuff that i want to produce is to see because the price is a only objective measurement of the month supply balance. so it's not about only the month of operating, it's about where you have the month, where you have supply all the asian countries being supplied from the russian arctic may key vital and they're good resources. now technological expertise and competitiveness have been perennial issues for a country. we have many bright ideas. we often have difficulty in implementing them in practice, right? i'm sure you would agree that our access to western technology has been severely. 2 curtailed, can rush a little on its own. does it need support from us? not only about whether we can or not we, we should. so we will when the russia is cortner, q,

lloyd confirmed the best. and in terms of technological self sufficiency, i was, i'm in the economy by training and i was frankly, very worried that we built a, an extreme version of consumer capitalism. where we're literally converted all the proceedings of when the resources into buying stuff and mostly buying stuff from the west. but of course, historically, russian society was able to produce fantastic things, you know, were launched in the 710 years after the end of the most destructive war that has ever happened to russia as well as a human cost as well. i mean, then it was to people instead of what they see and what they believe in instead of consumer capitalism, where we were not able to produce a lot of stuff. we will build a creative, socially oriented and solving form of organisation. they will look once even to pull as capitalism,

because russia will never be governed by large balls of capital russians. very, as you know, it's play state is the place because we are the largest country in the world. so yes, i want to mistake, we will produce whatever we minister. i know that i want to argue with you, but i know that prior to the, to the russian operation in ukraine, you were one of the advocates of why the confirmation of it for the enterprise is, for example, for the development of the russian. i break the right you spoke in favor of that. do you think those plans will still be able to be realized without some of that expertise? it's competitive. number one, they do not believe that the current freezing of relations will last too long because it's rational for you may need to look at the right total. keith looks like arctic you can lot. have 2 separate camps of countries. now taking care of arctic rush are responsible for how the arctic and so in other countries, members of the arctic counsel will now is simply canceled. okay, pression,

but arctic is unique and it's a in its entirety. so i believe. so i'm conscious will come to the foster some conscious will take longer, but they believe there will be a restoration of some cooperation. but you'll all rational through itself into globalization so eagerly. and so i'm prepared to look at china currency steel, lot, freely, convertible, market steel, very much to protect that. then it took them 40 years to protect them, to get it from the nurture local competence. so of course, you need to create conditions, so that now are being create that they truly and even force that will enable us do a little bit build to that in the strengths that we need as a self sustainable economy. okay, well minister we have to take a very short break right now. we will be back in just a few seconds stationed a lawyer

with a reversible split. and this is probably the most accurate way to describe brush is relationship with the west the day. but this did not have to be the west attempts to cripple the russian economy. have failed, as well as the attempt to isolate russia,

the west isolated south mm welcome back to world support smith alex h a call fresh minister for the development of the forest and they are to minister, you mentioned the issue of the russian nor see route a couple of times, the russians try to just usually talk about it as something that can turn rushing to this logistical superpower. but i wonder the recent experience of the air travel industry with many western companies and not only western companies, limiting their flights to an over russia. oh, for a bit of a cautionary tale and disregard, even if we develop it, do we have enough demand? well, i know in big detail, every single project that needs loaded on the road to export its produce

42 percent of that liquefied natural gas. all the investment was already made and then 5 to 7 years from now, we need to export 50000000 miles per year. the other one is oil by ro sniffed investment already made 5 to 7 years, another 50000000 pulse. i will not have him go further because the russian driven demand is the russian driven demand. exactly. the demand for the merchandise is in asia, but the goods have to have to be transported from the arctic from from the laurels, from 2 quotes to asian markets. the only way to do that is by completing the development of that and by completing the ice breaking fleet, the ice glove transports lead force. so it's a lie, it's communication, infrastructure, security, and emergency infrastructure. this will be done. now the development of the arctic is very intimately linked to the issue of the climate change. and i heard you say that for you, there is no debate whether or not it's happening simply based on the number of

natural calamities and emergency patients. you have to pay attention to, is there something that russia or any other country can really do to fully prepare itself for that, given the unpredictability for what is actually happening, scale, you know, the most efficient solution. so usually the simplest and the most obvious use more nuclear power, burn less coal, isn't that simple? so why is friends a very developed and intelligent country using almost 80 percent of nuclear power? and why is germany giving up on nuclear power and why so? it's politics, that's people, you know, the psychology people perceive risks differently. so you call the french more intelligent and germans look necessarily know because then it would have to, through the english and italians to make it to la and then it goes. but what i'm saying is we have proven solutions that already exist hundreds of times and nuclear

power is one such solution that the humanity needs to use much more broadly. and for instance, what we do is we use floating nuclear stations. we're the 1st example in the world, and now even building to supply new investment projects, we're building 4 of the 4 of those. this could be used anywhere in the world. wherever people live on the sea shore. you can look at floating nuclear station, then you have $5060.00 megawatts per block minister. you're talking about not exacerbating using technology not to exert surveyed the problem. but if the problem already exists and you know, a nature generally doesn't recognize borders, neither do flood fires, smoke. we share a very large border with china, which, you know, whatever your political tend to your political feelings we may have to. and one another is the biggest polluter in the world, right? are there any ways to ensure that the actions of somebody else in bathroom do

not affect us? that's what i'm asking them. well, you know, before the, before, the unprecedented, the baker with western sanctions and the western economic attack on russia. i was, it was a pinion that the climate climate. the agenda was to be the unifying mechanism to force certain countries to do what all the other countries one, because otherwise, how can you force india? you're talking about china. but thinking about india, one in the have 1000000000 people who are eager to catch up on industrial development and who needs to burn billions of tons of coal for that. and in there is a vibrant democracy. they will do whatever they people want. it's a genuine democracy, or they engine, leaders will do what they, what people want and people will ship our ship, our frankly, in the farmers to look care about 2 emissions with respect. so how can you force

them to do it? and you think it's impossible. that's why it's really, it requires a multilateral mechanisms and the healthy international system of international relations that what we really do not observe right now. i even heard you compare the issue of climate change to the efforts to, to the efforts of trying not to have another 3rd exam or in the 2nd half of the inter. exactly. now if we look around, the possibility of a global conflict has dramatically increased, doesn't mean that we are doomed in the realm of climate change. because clearly this global agenda takes not just a 2nd, but you can see to whatever geopolitical necessity there is. well, i try to follow the wise men and they see is a business leader and none of them stop is g agenda for one minute. in spite of the last couple of months, we are really busy for largest ration businesses to read just to find new ways of,

you know, supplies, financial mechanisms, new markets, you'll logistical systems. still, all of them keep on the threat. the g. a certain level of you know, greenery or for ecological balance because it will come, it will come as a global tax or in some other ways. those businesses who will ignore this topic. they will be hit by a certain tax, whatever. it's called the carbon tax or, and southern they see it. so i think that businesses must big delete and that's what's happening given that you have experience in both the corporate world than the governing world. and i assume some knowledge of how those things are operating in the west. who do you think have the most influence on the, on the, on that climate change issue? is it the business leaders automatically be the government or political leaders? well, it's all connected to, you know, because business leaders, they are interested in political stability,

political leaders. so they are sort of more attuned to popular sentiment. but football or sentiment is being formed by business because businesses produce information, that's your business. so we see a lot of, again, well propaganda information, what you call it. we see a much stronger ecological movement which creates a warners and people start thinking about is the concern for their environment among the masses among the public. still, they are given all the propaganda. they've been fat about the ukranian war. remember, 6 months ago, everyone was talking about the panoramic now much less. so i think climate change will reemerge as an important topic at some point because people see floods, people see fires, people see heaped waves, and he makes the news. so now the past couple of months, the ukraine crisis made the news, but even already i think that is a certain tiring of that. but climate change will remain and i will arctic is

a very important arena. were climate change will manifest and will be discussed. now you mentioned the issue of defend demik and one of the potentially very dangerous issues, your res, before was that those biological security as the permafrost smells, it may release ancient viruses, right? how big is, is a thread over another major pandemic that our, and those territories may, i will not answer you about that and they make and not a biological expert, but that a real risk as far as the risk is releasing all the me saying that this contained permafrost, and it's a very, very extra risk because artic hits up faster than the rest of the world. it keeps up because all the accumulate the climate pollution in the previous hundreds of years. and now we have 2.5 percent faster heating up of our kick as i told you. and

it was well known roughly 65 percent from a for us, a lot of our cities and a lot of our businesses built on permafrost. so not only are that infrastructure is at risk, but all the me say captured in that permit for us. if it goes into the atmosphere, the whole planet will suffer badly. so that's why we are interested in containing global warming and companion climate change, subject to using reasonable solutions. as i said, we shall not create some fantastical financials because it's just making us where, you know, trillions of dollars exchange change in some obscure financial instrument. carbon credits, but where is the actual real, you know, clean the electricity and it has to be clean, you know, the german and it's called energy. well, they're the germans shift to clean energy resulted in german burning more coal because they needed more reserve capacity to insure against fluctuations in orange demand. that shall not be the case. so it's really has to be

much, much more responsible minister. i've covered the work of they are said council for a couple of years and this used to be the platform was some of those issues were debated and even some decisions were made. i remember that even the canadians and americans used to tell that the russians actually good in the north. so it was an area of genuine corporation. and i think place where we try to treat each other fairly. but as you mentioned, the article council gathers last march and it pretty much excluded russia. do you think there's any venue left for those ties to be built meaningfully within the impact it has to be because the arctic humanities concern all humanity. we receive questions and the important to inquire about a kick from china, india, the middle east, south east asia. everyone is concerned about what happened started,

how those are similar to the people for what the global warming, how to update, and there are g resources of the arctics. so we can have a small group of countries, low 7 countries to exclude $170.00 countries. from that topic, so i believe will return to reasonable dialogue in some time. am i hearing you correctly that by excluding russia, the art council pretty much canceled itself as, as if i say shots the arctic into. but you can look, you know, you can look at a cup into and hope it to contain what it's got. so now you have an empty half of nothingness, and we have to resume normal consultations, normal dialogue as soon as possible. and finally, russia has the largest cross line in the arctic, and it's also an area of bio for the country security. it hosts the number of strategic military installations and western analysts have long been accusing rush of trying to militarize the north. i wonder how much corporation or even synergy

there is between your ministry and the minister minister of defense. we support our serviceman in all respects. and i have to tell is that the arctic shield is very strong and the people for serv that are very brave. it's my one, there are to spend some time with them. and frankly, it gives me a lot of inspiration. so it doesn't give you also have the information for development, i guess. can it be use time tenuously both the building on the installation and developing that. everybody does their own work. so military protects businessmen create businesses, the government insure a social infrastructure, insurers, education, health care and all the other things. and as i told you, that new breed of governor us. okay. it around them. a really very positive environments where it positive vibe. look at the mormons page and look at that and get a school at every single one of them. yeah, molly, if we chair to quote car,

you see people who are in the loft, what they do and love the region whether leaf and they don't want to move to more school. so i see those eyelids, that's our keep the lago. also, new reality being created in artic and we do our best to support that well, minister, we have to live there. thank you very much for this very inspiring conversation. thank you. thank you for watching. hope to see again was apart. ah mm hm. mm ah ah

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