in russia relationship with the west, essentially moscow does not deem western leaders to be good faith actress. this is the lesson learned since the end of a cold war. as we all know, regrading trust is very difficult if not impossible. the. the cross talking rushes relations with the west. i'm. i'm joined by my guess, garland nixon in watson. he is a political analyst in new york. we have, daniel was our, he is a journalist and author of 3 books on the us constitution. and in philadelphia we cross the bruce mark. he is a former pennsylvania state senator and attorney for donald trump. 20162020 campaigns are gentlemen cross roads. and in fact, that means you can jump in anytime you want. and i always appreciated, daniel, let me go to you 1st in new york. there's no trust left here. okay. and if you look at western media, particularly american media and british media were basically in a state of war, which of course, one has not been declared,

but they've made themselves co belligerent in this conflict here. and you know, if we go back a few days, president putin in st. petersburg in his annual event basically said, you know, be his interlocutors in the west or not people that you can actually trust and believe. and that's the state of affairs right now. your take on this, go ahead. yeah, well, in 997, i was big up version sky one of the half dozen most influential voices and post war american foreign policy wrote a book called the grand chef board in which he called for breaking russia off into 3 separate parts under us today, and in the us, it would then use that as a springboard to, to penetrate into central asia and ultimately going into china. so, so the u. s. has always had the gold, you know, either either on the surface or it's working just below of destroying russia. re

eliminating it as a global power, reducing it to a minor, saturate be. and that's what we're seeing now. i mean, russia doesn't. russia doesn't trust the west for a good reason, because the west is out to, to cut russia down. garland, the same thing to you because i thought this is all about democracy. ok. i said, i always hear, you know, we have to make these countries democratic whole by the way as we speak right now. ukraine is a military hunter. and during this week the last major opposition party was banned . and now there's one television station, but they keep talking about democracy garland, go ahead and washington, well, and that's pretty much absurd in the united states over through the government of ukraine and install the puppy government on. so how could you both overthrow and control the country and argue that it's democratic? at the same time, speaking of which one of the puppets that the united states installed was a dye by the name of petro poor a cinco. he recently made a very roomy,

revealing remark, will claim that the minsk accords an agreement between um, the, you know, the, the, the, allegedly, ostensibly, the ukrainians and a number of western powers. and russia was involved in the negotiations, though, not actually a party to the missing great misc accords. but petro portion revealed that the medical records were simply a ruse. it was a fraud, used to hold russia off while the arm, while the u. s. basically armed and trained the ukrainian military for an eventual conflict. so knowing and understanding that even though the west is talking about a deal with russian diplomacy, how could russia possibly do another deal? they had a deal. and now we find out that the deal was just the headache, so they can basically put it like this. i want to buy this. there's an old saying that diplomacy is the art of saying nice, doggie, until you can find a rock. that's what that is. how can russia possibly trust these people afterwards,

bruce way and who i'm what we've already heard here today. go ahead. well, i me with all respect for my american colleagues, this is just a bunch of nonsense. the united states in the west did not attempt to destroy the soviet union or a break, russia into 3 parts. so may, june was a pol, terry and country invaded and occupied all of eastern europe after world war 2. what happened is, i'm sorry bruce. so the soviet union shouldn't have liberated europe from naziism. you're saying they should have occupied eastern europe. ok. yeah, they should have about what you're looking in the i said in my, in bruce with all due respect please. with all due respect, i said in my introduction, since the end of the cold war, can we, can we draw the line there? ok, i'm not the one who talked about brzezinski in a book that was written in 1997. it was talking about trying to break russia into 3

parts, but i think, well, he dug right that he did right. that. and it is we, as we said today, as we speak today and you can check who develop ama still, you know, as a fact check for me, go to moon of alabama, the website. there is a conference in washington, d. c. exactly about breaking up russia. go check it. ok, this is not of any c, daniel didn't make it up. ok, this is a pass. go has to be after the end of the cold war and at the end of the call to the cold war ended. thank. thank goodness, because democracy at that time prevailed in russia in the soviet union does all, what, what has happened today? is russia under invaded ukraine? it invaded a sovereign country, you know, couldn't have lied about what he's been doing in ukraine since 2004 to has been lying about what's been going on in ukraine. let me throw it to daniel. go ahead

with your, your good. go ahead, daniel. we have to have equal time for everyone. go ahead the, the, the, the u. s. phone method, an ultra right lead qu in february 2014 and here that was not a bid for democracy unless you regard step on band dera, that nazi leader of the world war to collaboration us government in a and the ukraine as a democratic leader so the 3rd reich is democratic in your book and yes, of course in 2014 who was democratic. but it obviously, it obviously was not. and the u. s. isn't lying about that ever since ever since there has never once told the truth. ok, anybody, there's a phone call, which is the key of the 2014 other than me before and after the revolution. well, anybody on this phone call is there. i mean, were you on the phone call with victoria newly jeffrey diaz? were you on the phone call with victoria new?

i'm jeffrey p. i wasn't, but i wasn't but i was in key of in 2014, before and after the protest. step on back on dara has been dead. he was by the way killed by the soviet. what 40 years ago he wasn't there. there was a public uprising against the the regime. yes. so there are no there are. so just a bruce is a good clarify. there and there are no neo nazis or no nazi's and ukraine. is that your position? no, it's not. i'm sure there's 3 or 5 or 10 or 15 in the government, in the government and in the military. okay. yes, they are of his, they are well, this is will document is garlan judy garland jump in this journey. first of all, it's of there's a logical fallacy going on here. it doesn't matter if you were in kiev in 2014. it doesn't matter where any of us were at any given time in the universe. the fact that you were there doesn't give you some kind of a special knowledge either it happened or it didn't. number one,

number 2. the reality is for the united states to overthrow country after country to invade country after country, and then somehow argued that we are against the invasion of countries, is absurd. and only by saying this, the united states is involved with ukraine on russia's border, pumping weapons, and missiles and everything in the ukraine. same with taiwan. here's my question. what would the united states do if it was mexico? what would the us do if russia and china were involved in the government were training mexican troops, were pumping weapons into mexico, were making plots as to how to wear writing books with the mexicans as to how they were going to divvy the united states up. we don't have to ask that question because we already know about them this the, the cuban missile crisis. this is about 3 world powers, one of them pumping weapons on to the border, nations of the other 2. and then claiming that the other 2 of the belligerents,

it's absurd and preposterous, you want to react to that verse. well, yeah. first of all, it does make a difference. if i were there and you were, is there was an allegation that this, that they, they revolution that took place in 2014, was by bonder. and it wasn't, i was in here, i saw the people who are outside the raw. ok. and they weren't ok, these were people who came for all different regions of ukraine. i know some of them and they were per approach testing that the president, who ultimately, of course, was corrupt and, and, and left and went to russia. so it does make a difference if you, if you're there and if you have a chance to speak to the people who are either. okay, okay, bruce, let's go back to a point that the garland made. i mean, that were the minutes go agreements and polish ankle came out and said it was a far see admitted it, that's the whole point of the program. why would the russians deal with these people again? because they lie. let me throw that to daniel. go ahead. well, yes,

i mean they of course say why. i mean this is, this is naive to think otherwise, i wouldn't dare statues or, or plaques, honoring bam, dera in 3 dozen ukrainian cities, including love of. there's a giant statue of him, of he is a national hero. he has been officially proclaimed a national hero. zalinski recently conferred hero status on the commander of the ass off battalion the as opportunity. and as the only neo nazi battalion integrated into the rep regular military structure of any country in the world. now this is completely insane. there was a huge neo nazis segment in the ukraine. doesn't mean that or it doesn't mean that all ukrainians are nazis and a doesn't mean by the way that that potent invasion was justified. but we've got to be very clear about who is acting here and what the history of this conflict is.

and we have a government and yeah, which is heavily influenced by nazi elements and decent people should not be siding with that government. busy until and unless it conducts a thorough purge of those elements, which is never going to begin by having danny mcdaniel that does, it's worse than you're saying because the u. s. government is aware of this. they're not, they're not oblivious. do they know this? ok, we had, we had congress a few years ago worried that money would be going to the hours of the battalion. i mean, they actually talked about it. so it's not a mystery here. are gentlemen, we're coming up to a hard break and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion. i'm russia relations with the west state with her

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let's go back to bruce. i obviously the odd man out here. that's why i want to make sure we hear your opinion here. do you want the you, what united states and russia, the west in general, and russia to have good relations? is that a goal? do you think is worthy? i think it would be outstanding. and peter, i appreciated your fairness in, you know, always coming, always, always, yes, i do. i mean, i'm somebody who lived in this, you know, the soviet in moscow during the soviet period. i've had a law firm in russia since 998. i've seen the dissolution of the soviet union and everything good that's happen because of that, i'd very much like to see better relations between united states and russia. so how do we get there? how do we get there? well, you know, it's a very fraud issue and the number one, i think the russian is to pull its troops out of the crate. i mean, it's an invading force. it's gone in the areas crane, which are early sharpen parts of ukraine at temple. here they've occupied all

southern strip of ukraine along, you know, the black sea. i think they've got to pull their troops out of i don't think if they don't pull their groups out. and it's going to be very hard to that, sir. i in the short term to improve relations because i think united states in the western continue to support ukraine's defense military military. okay. but yeah, if i want to obviously i want is he good relations between the 2 countries here? let me go to garland here, but i mean, you know, i don't need to go back to ancient history. i just need to go back a few months. it's go back to december 17th, and russia sent a note to nato into the united states saying, hey, you know, the security situation in europe is untenable for us. we have red lines here. we have 2 proposals. oh, you can call them ultimatums if you want. i don't care, but they said there is, the situation is untenable. the status quo cannot be maintained. and what did western leaders do? they didn't do anything. they didn't take it seriously. we heard, there will be

a military technical reaction and you know what? it happened. and that's why i see that is very, very difficult for a lisa russian side to take the western side seriously because they did propose something to sit down and really talk and that was completely dismissed out of hand . that's how we got here garland. and if we understand something, this is bigger, much larger than, than just ukraine. this is about the u. s. having hedge a monic intentions. this is, is about the us being able to dictate on the rules of order for the entire world. and this is about russia saying no, not, not here, not now, not anymore. so you know, in my opinion, what we're looking at here is the develop minute of a new world order, the u. s. and nato, nato is simple. nato is nothing but an umbrella organization, so that the so that, that the u. s. can bring all of its vassals together and take power of attorney for the you and for their foreign policy. but basically saying for the most part,

libya or whatever country were angry at do what we tell you, or we will use our power to destroy you. and now the u. s. empire has run up against a, another world power which has grown powerful enough to say no. and the u. s. doesn't know how to deal with that. and the interesting thing is that the u. s. and nato are committing economic suicide. say they're swallowing poison and waiting for russia to die. and that's not going to happen. daniel, you know, we hear all we hear about the rules based order. if you know what that means, please tell me because i cannot figure out what it means. okay. it really, every day that comes out of the state department, now i need a translator because i have no idea what they're talking about. but you know, yet let's talk about the rule of law. you know, seizing of private individuals, properties and seizing of bank accounts, even of the russian government. i mean, i mean, how is that rule base order? ok, i mean, how can you trust people that are just going to buy theat steel. ok,

because that's what it is. it's theft. yes, i mean that the, the rules based order means that america makes the rules. ready and everybody else snap still. i mean, i mean, i mean look at it in november of 2021. the u. s. and ukraine assigned a joint statement and. ready which they, their said, their strategy was to take back the crimean peninsula and the don bess could. you imagine if russia and syria had signed the document, say that they're showing stria sa, joint strategy was a take back, the goal, an heights from israel. i mean, the u. s. would have gone completely bonkers. so the this idiotic rules based order is essentially a double standard. it's one standard for the u. s. a 2nd standard for europe and a 3rd standard for all those countries that sort of wind up in america is crosshairs. and the problem is that there,

though that 3rd category now includes the majority of the world. yeah. that which is why the majority of the world is refusing to line up behind the u. s. in this conflict in the ukraine. so the u. s. essentially has backed itself into a corner. it's policies are so absurd and contradictory that no one is going to follow them. no one can even figure out what the even mean. so the us actually finds itself in a growing minority. and meanwhile, garland is totally right. the, the economy is, is a, is, is imploding. and that's the new york times said yesterday the day before. i mean, the sanctions have completely backfire. so this is, this is one of the really most egregious screw ups and foreign policy, u. s. foreign policy. of the last 20 or 25 years and that and considering that they

include the invasion of afghanistan and iraq. that is saying a great deal, bruce. i mean, how is current us strategy nato strategy? european union strategy ultimately helping ukraine because i have noted on this program a number of times, the more of the west helps ukraine, the smaller it gets and it's the smaller its population becomes bruce. well, i mean, one obvious answer is, is it the united states and west hadn't helped ukraine. russia would have taken over care, would have taken over the entire country. so as a result of us providing military support to ukraine, that they'd beat off the attempt to take over here. we don't, you know, we don't know that we're going to rush, we don't know. i don't know where to say this is one of these western medium means they got they so everybody knows what the general staff of russia, it's wargames were. nobody knows that. ok. and so this is, this is a myth that's being built up. you know, let me know how many, you know, they,

since name guy and another myth. and then this fighter you know, the, the ghost of, of care of another myth, the, even, even it made. it was a myth that just by piece here peter was right. if you have you, have you been, have you been a key of i have you seen the bombing there? if i, if the russia general staff want to destroy care, but would have been done in one day, but they don't want to do it. i mean, i mean, i don't you, why don't you find it comical, bruce, that much crawl and johnson, and all these european official and then they waltz around here in the middle of a war. no india or not to take people sitting out in cafes. it's absurd. what you're saying, let's say beat back the invaders if, because the russians are no longer in your pete. although, of course, there's a lot of bodies that the russians killed that are still there. so the kid li, allegedly what, what happened to that, what i mean, you're a lawyer,

you don't use these terms anymore. has there been an investigation? has it been conclusive? has it been cooperated, had made their 3rd parties? none of the above. ok allege is one of the alleged dead bodies. if you haven't shaved the photographs of the dead bodies, you have it. i see i've seen them. i've seen photographs of i see a lot of photographs in video coming out of give, officially sponsor. daniel. you want to jump in there, go ahead. yeah, and then, i mean, look, peter, i mean, i, bruce's right. i mean there's, there's little doubt to any, you know, for the point of view of an a neutral observer that, that russia was stopped at the outskirts. ok. i agree with you guys anyway. i mean, i'm not how hold it, hold it. none of us are military strategist. ok, so it's, we've, we get what, ok, fine. but, but the, but that, but there's no, there's no doubt that russia encountered resistance that was a good deal stiffer than expected. and found itself stymied for a while. now,

russia has recovered, it's recovered the edge of the war, you know, if you recovered the strategic edge in this war. so i, i think that bruce is correct, that us, my weapons, weapons did have an impact. what does that impact is running out? and russia now is argue, well, i have to wait for a few future historians to figure this out here. anyway, i got the darling, you want to jump in, go ahead. yeah, it, and number one, number 2, you know, to judge any game in the 1st quarter is irrelevant at the end of this to say that the russians having to have, haven't taken care of, well, once the war is over, you can say that. but right now, to say that the russians have or haven't done anything, as the war goes on, is, is preposterous. but here's my point, also the contradictions about it. and so now all of the sudden bruce is saying the u. s. concerned about dead bodies, a 1000000 dead people in iraq, a 1000000 dead people. now sudden we're concerned about dead by dead bodies in

ukraine in my head, if we have any concern about the ukrainians. there is a way to stop that. there's always been a way to stop that in that way was through diplomacy in the u. s. as rejected diplomacy. and i'll add one more contradiction. the united states recently said that they had concern about china having a military basis in the solomons island, said they wouldn't rule out a military assault on the solomon's island, the united states group drew a red line, 7391 miles from there sure, that included a possible military response, but the russians can't draw a red line, 1000000000 of a millimeter from their border, which is, which is, which is ukraine. again, the contradictions about, all right, we have one minute left that i want to give it to bruce. go ahead, chris. well, actually, i think, you know, daniel was right. i mean, there was that the invasion of ukraine was stopped on, you know,

near but i also think that both of my colleagues are right. we don't know where this is going. it is only the 1st quarter. and that's a frightening aspect because i do think that russia for now does sort of have an edge in the southern and eastern parts of ukraine. i would like to see cc diplomacy, but i think it's gonna require russia to withdraw from portions of ukraine that it, it's recently embedded. but i'm all for diplomacy. yeah. i wish i wish they went. i was, i wish the, i wish the west we're interested in diplomacy because if they don't gentlemen, there might not be a ukraine at the end of the day at the end of all this. i think that's a growing likelihood. unfortunately, diplomacy is the only way and no one in the west is talking about it. unfortunately, gentlemen, that's all the time we have want to take my guess in washington, new york and philadelphia. i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at ortiz. see you next time, remember with

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