tv Cross Talk RT June 24, 2022 9:30pm-10:01pm EDT
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i biden clinton crime families, info and hide hunters, laptop info, maxwell, island list, et cetera, et cetera. oh, presidents have used note carts only joe has needed one with basic human functions, like a reminder to say hello and you take your seat. god help us. i think that will probably spark a little bit of fear in the american people that the commander chief who's, you know, supposed to be in charge, giving commands, has to receive commands. i just feel like if this was another president, like, let's say, i don't know, donald trump, for example. we would our to be passed the point of wondering whether or not he would mentally capable of remaining commander in chief. but you, you have not heard any of those concerns from a mainstream media outlets. and democrats like cnn and m as in b. c. i'm sure most americans probably find it once again a little bit concerning that they're quote unquote commander in chief doesn't know which chair to take in meters. and so for now i'm peter scott's. i'll be back again
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any meaningful relationship is based on the following trust. this is absent in russia's relationship with the west. essentially. moscow does not deem western leaders to be good faith actors. this is the lesson learned since the end of a cold war. as we all know, regaining trust is very difficult, if not impossible. ah, cross sucking russia's relations with the west. i'm joined by my guest garlan nixon in washington. he is a political analyst in new york. we have, daniel was our, he is a journalist and author of 3 books on the u. s. constitution. and in philadelphia we cross bruce marx. he is a former pennsylvania state senator, an attorney for donald trump's 20162020 campaigns are gentlemen cross sack rules and effect. that means he can jump in any time he want. and i always appreciate, daniel, let me go to you 1st in new york. there's no trust left here. okay. and if you look at western media, particularly american media and british media were basically in
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a state of war, which of course, one has not been declared, but they've made themselves co belligerent in this conflict here. and you know, if we go back a few days, president putin in st. petersburg at his annual event basically said, you know, the, the, his interlocutors in the west are not um, people that you can actually trust and believe. and that's the state of affairs right now. your take on this, go ahead. yeah, well, and 997 as big version sky, one of the half dozen most influential voices and post war american foreign policy wrote a book called the grand chessboard in which he. ready called for breaking russia up into 3 separate parts under us to live. and then the us would then use that as a springboard to, to penetrate into central asia and ultimately going into china. so. so the u. s. has always had the gold, you know, either it's either on the surface or it's working just below of destroying russia.
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re eliminating it as a global power, reducing it to a minor, saturate be. and that's what we're seeing now. i mean, russia doesn't. russia doesn't trust the west for a good reason, because the west is out to, to cut russia down. garland, the same thing to you because i thought this is all about democracy. ok. i said, i always hear, you know, we have to make these countries democratic whole by the way as we speak right now. ukraine is a military hunter. and during this week the last major opposition party was banned . and now there's one television station, but they keep talking about democracy garland go ahead in washington. well, and that's pretty much absurd in that the united states over through the government of ukraine and install the puppy government. and so how could you both overthrow and control the country and argue that it's democratic? at the same time, speaking of which one of the puppets that the united states installed was
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a dye by the name of petro poor, a shinkel. he recently made a very roomy revealing remark when you claim that the minsk accords an agreement between um, the, you know, the, the, allegedly, ostensibly, the ukrainians, and a number of western powers. and russia was involved in the negotiations, though, not actually a party to the missing great mister cords. but petro portion co revealed that the medical records were simply a ruse. it was a fraud, used to hold russia off while the arm, while the u. s. basically armed and trained the ukrainian military for an eventual conflict. so knowing and understanding that even though the west is talking about a deal with russian diplomacy, how could russia possibly do another deal? they had a deal. and now we find out that the deal was just the headache, so they could basically put it like this. i went by this, there's an old saying that diplomacy is the art of saying nice doggy until you can
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find a rock. that's what that is. how can russia possibly trust these people afterwards bruce way and, and what we've already heard here today, go ahead. well, i me with all respect for my american colleagues, this is just a bunch of nonsense. the united states in the west did not attempt to destroy the soviet union or break russia 3 parts. so may, june was a tall tarion country, invaded and occupied all eastern europe after world war 2. what happened is, i'm sorry bruce. so the soviet union shouldn't have liberated europe from naziism. yeah. they should have occupied eastern europe. ok. yeah, they should have about what you're looking at the i said in my, in bruce with all due respect please. with all due respect, i said in my introduction, since the end of the cold war, can we, can we draw the line there? ok, i'm not the one who who talked about brzezinski in
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a book that was written in 1997. it taught, it was talking about trying to break russia into 3 parts, but i think, well, he got right that he did write that and it, as we see today, as we speak today, and you can check hold of alabama this to, you know, as a fact check for me. go to moon of alabama. the website. there is a conference in washington, d. c. exactly about breaking up russia. go check it. ok. this is not a c. daniel didn't make it up. ok, this is a pass. go has to be after the end of the cold war and at the end of the call, the cold war ended. thank. thank goodness, because democracy at that time prevailed in russia and the soviet union does all what, what has happened today? is russia under invaded you crate? it invaded a sovereign country, you know, couldn't, has lied about what he's been doing in ukraine since 2004 to has been lying about
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what's been going on in ukraine. let me throw it to daniel. go ahead with your ignoring your good. go ahead, daniel. we have to have equal time for everyone, go ahead the the, the, the u. s. fall method, an ultra right lead qu in said, the worry 2014 and key f. that was not a bid for democracy unless you regard step on ban dera, that nazi leader of the world war to collaboration us government and the ukraine as a democratic leader. so the 3rd reich is democratic in your book, then yes, of course in 2014 who was democratic. but it obviously, it obviously was not. and the u. s. isn't lying about that ever since ever since there has never once told the truth. ok, anybody, there's an on call who was a key of a 2014 other than me before and after the revolution? well, anybody on this phone call was there. i mean,
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were you on the phone call with victoria newly jeffrey diaz? were you on the phone call with victoria new? i'm jeffrey p. i wasn't, but i wasn't, but i was in key in 2014 before and after the protest. stefan bar on darrow has been dead. he was by the way, killed by the soviet what 40 years ago he wasn't there, there was a public uprising against the the regime. yes so, so there are no, they're not. so just a bruce, it's a good clarify. there and there are no neo nazis or no nazi's and ukraine is at your position. no, it's not. i'm sure there's 3 or 5 or 10 or 15 in the government, in the government and in the military. okay. yes, they are of his, they are only, this is well documented ireland. judy garland jump in. it is john, 1st of all, it's of there's a logical fallacy going on here. it doesn't matter if you are in kiev in 2014. it doesn't matter where any of us were at any given time in the universe. the fact
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that you were there doesn't give you some kind of a special knowledge either it happened or it didn't. number one, number 2. the reality is for the united states to overthrow country after country to invade country after country, and then somehow argued that we are against the invasion of countries, is absurd. and i say in this, the united states is involved with ukraine on russia's border pumping weapons. and missiles and everything in the ukraine. same with taiwan. here's my question. what would the united states do if it was mexico? what would the us do if russia in china were involved in the government were training mexican troops, were pumping weapons into mexico were making plots as to how to wear writing books with the mexicans as to how they were going to divvy the united states up. we don't have to ask that question because we already know about them this the, the cuban missile crisis. this is about 3 world powers, one of them pumping weapons on to the border,
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nations of the other 2. and then claiming that the other 2 are the belligerents, it's absurd and preposterous. you want to react to that verse. well, yeah. first of all, it does make a difference if i were there and you were march, is there was an allegation that this the revolution that took place in 2014 was by bonder and it wasn't. i was in here, i saw the people who are outside to rhonda ok and they weren't. ok. these were people who came for all different regions of ukraine. i know some of them, and they were per approach to protesting that the president, who ultimately, of course, was corrupt and, and, and left and went to russia. so it does make a difference if you, if you're there. and if you have a chance to speak to the people who are, i'm ok. ok bruce, let's go back to a point that the garland made. i mean there were the min sco agreements and punish ankle came out and said it was a far see admitted it, that's the whole point of the program. why would the russians deal with these people again? because they lie. let me throw that to daniel. go ahead. well, yes,
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i mean of course say lie. i mean this is, this is naive to think otherwise. i, there statues, or, or plaques, honoring ban dera in 3 dozen ukrainian cities, including the above, does a giant statue of him and love of he is a national hero. he has been officially proclaimed a national hero. the lensky recently class conferred hero status on the commander of the as off battalion. the as off italian is the only neo nazi battalion integrated into the rep regular military structure of any country in the world. now this is completely insane. there was a huge neo nazis segment in the ukraine. or it doesn't mean that all ukrainians are nazis. and it doesn't mean by the way that that potent invasion was justified. but
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we've got to be very clear about who is acting here and what the history of this conflict is. and we have a government and which is heavily influenced by nazi elements and these some people should not be siding with that government until in the last. it conduct a thorough purge of those elements, which is never going to do a, danny. but daniel, that the, it's worse than you're saying, because the u. s. government is aware of this. they're not, they're not oblivious. do they know this? ok, we had, we had congress a few years ago. worry this money would be going to the as of the battalion. i mean, they actually talked about it. so it's not a mystery here. i gentlemen were coming up to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion. i'm rushing relations with the west state with the news
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i mean with artificial intelligence. real somebody with most protective phone existence with ah, welcome back across huck where all things are considered. i'm peter labelle and you were discussing rushes relations with the west with ok, let's go back to bruce, obviously the odd man out here and that's why i want to make sure we hear your opinion here. do you want the you with united states and russia, the west in general, and russia to have good relations? is that a goal? do you think is worthy? i think it would be outstanding. and peter, i appreciate your furnace in, you know,
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always coming. always, always. yes, i do. i mean, i'm somebody who lives in this, you know, the soviet in moscow during the soviet period. i've had a law firm in russia since 1998. i've seen the dissolution of the soviet union and everything good. that's half because of that, i'd very much like to see a better relations between united states and russia. so how do we get there? how do we get there? well, you know, it's a very fraud issue and the number one, i think the russian is to pull its troops out of the credit. i mean, it's an invading force. it's gone in the areas crane, which are early sharpen parts of ukraine at temple on here. they've occupied all southern strip of ukraine along, you know, the black sea. i think they've got to pull their troops out. i don't think if they don't pull their groups out. and it's going to be very hard to that, sir. i in the short term to improve relations because i think united states in the western continue to support ukraine's defense military military. okay. but you know,
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if i want to, obviously i want is he good relations between the 2 countries here? let me go to garland here, but i mean, you know, i don't need to go back to ancient history. i just need to go back a few months. it's go back to december 17th, and russia sent a note to nato into the united states saying, hey, you know, the security situation in europe is untenable for us. we have red lines here. we have 2 proposals. oh, you can call them ultimatums if you want. i don't care, but they said there is the situation is untenable. the status quo can not be maintained. and what did western leaders do? they didn't do anything. they didn't take it seriously. we heard, there will be a military technical reaction and you know what? it happened, and that's why i see that is very, very difficult for a lisa russian side to take the western side seriously because they did propose something to sit down and really talk and that was completely dismissed out of hand
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. that's how we got here. garland, and we understand something, this is bigger, much larger than, than just ukraine. this is about the u. s. having hedge a monic intentions. this is, is about the us being able to dictate on the rules of order for the entire world. and this is about russia saying no, not, not here, not now, not anymore. so you know, in my opinion, what we're looking at here is the develop minute of a new world order. the u. s. and nato nato is simply nato was nothing but an umbrella organization. so that the so that the u. s. can bring all of its vassals together and take power of attorney for the e. u and for their foreign policy. but basically saying, for the most part, libby or whatever country we're angry at, do what we tell you, or we will use our power to destroy you. and now the u. s. empire has run up against a, another world power which has grown powerful enough to say no. and the u. s.
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doesn't know how to deal with that. and the interesting thing is that the u. s. and nato are committing economic suicide. they're swallowing poison and waiting for russia to die. and that's not going to happen. daniel, you know, we hear all we hear about the rules based order. if you know what that means, please tell me because i cannot figure out what it means. ok, it really, every day that comes out of the state department, now i need a translator because i have no idea what they're talking about. but, you know, yeah, let's talk about the rule of law. you know, seizing of a private individual's properties and seizing of bank accounts, even of the russian government. i mean, i mean, how is that rule based order? okay. i mean, how can you trust people that are just going to buy fee on steel. okay? because that's what it is, it's theft. yes, i mean, i mean the rules based order means that america makes the rules. ready and everybody else snaps to, i mean, i mean in november 2021 or the u. s. and ukraine assigned a joint statement and which they,
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their said their strategy was to take back the crimean peninsula and the dog bess. could you imagine if russia and syria had signed the document, say that they're showing stria joint strategy was a take back, the goal, an heights from israel. i mean the u. s. would have gone completely fokker. so the empty arctic rules based order is essentially a double standard. it's one standard for the u. s. a 2nd standard for europe and a 3rd standard for all those countries that sort of wind up in america crosshairs. and the problem is that there, though that certain category now includes the majority of the world. yeah. which is why the majority of the world is refusing to line up behind the u. s. in this conflict in the ukraine. so the u. s. essentially has back itself into a corner,
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its policies are so absurd and contradictory that no one is going to follow them. no one can even figure out what the even mean. so the us actually fight itself and a growing minority. and meanwhile, garland is totally right. the, the economy is, is, is imploding. and that's the new york times that said yesterday the day before. i mean, the sanctions have completely backfires. so this is, this is one of the really most agree just screw ups in foreign policy, u. s. foreign policy of the last 20 or 25 years and that, and considering that includes the invasion of afghanistan and iraq. that is saying a great deal, bruce. i mean, how is current us strategy nato strategy? european union strategy, ultimately helping ukraine, because i've noted on this program a number of times, the more the west helps ukraine, the smaller it gets,
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and it's the smaller its population becomes bruce. why mean one obvious answer is, is it the united states in the west hadn't helped ukraine russia would have taken over here, would have taken over the entire country. so as a result of us providing military support to ukraine, that they'd beat off the attempt to take over here. we don't know, we don't know that they're going to rush. we don't know. i don't know where to say this is one of these western medium means they got they so everybody knows what the general staff of russia it's wargames were. nobody knows that. ok. and so this is, this is a myth that's being built up, you know, a and another myth. and then this fighter you know, the, the ghost of, of care of another myth, the, even, even it made. it was a myth that just by peter peter was right. if you have you, have you b, have you been a key of i, have you seen the bombing there?
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if you, i, if the russia general staff want to destroy care, but would have been done in one day. but they don't want to do it. i mean, i mean, i don't you, why don't you find it comical, bruce, that much crawl and johnson, and all these european official and then they waltz around here in the middle of a war. no india or not. i'd say people sitting out in cafes, it's absurd. what you're saying, well, that's because they beat back the invaders because the russians are no longer in your pete. although, of course, there's a lot of bodies to russians killed that are still there. so the kid li, allegedly what, what happened to that, what i mean, you're a lawyer, you don't use these terms anymore. has there been an investigation? has it been conclusive? has it been cooperated, had made their 3rd parties? none of the above. ok allege is one of the alleged dead bodies. if you haven't seen
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the photographs of the dead bodies, you have it. i see i've seen them. i've seen photographs of i see a lot of photographs in video coming out of care of officially sponsor. daniel, you want to jump in there? go ahead. yeah, and i haven't looked peter, i bruce's right. i mean there's, there's, there's little doubt to any, you know, for the point of view of an a neutral observer that, that, that russia was stopped at the outskirts. okay. i agree with, i mean, not a whole that whole it, none of us are military strategist. ok. so it's, we've, we get what, ok, fine. but, but that, that, but there's no, there's no doubt that russia encountered resistance that was a good deal stiffer than expected. and found itself stymied for a while. now russia has recovered, it's recovered the edge of the war. you know, if you recovered the strategic edge in this war. so i, i think that bruce is correct, that us, my weapons, weapons did have an impact. what does that impact is running out?
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and russia now is argue, if not, well, i have to wait for a few future historians to figure this out here and we've got a darling, you want to jump in, go ahead. yeah, it, and number one, number 2, you know, to judge any game in the 1st quarter is irrelevant at the end of this to say that the russians having to have, haven't taken care of, well, once the war is over, you can say that. but right now, to say that the russians have or haven't done anything, as the war goes on, is, is preposterous. but here's my point, also the contradictions about it. and so now all of the sudden bruce is saying the u. s. concerned about dead bodies, a 1000000 dead people in iraq, a 1000000 dead people now sudden were concerned about dead by dead bodies in ukraine in my head, if we have any concern about the ukrainians, there is a way to stop that. there's always been a way to stop that in that way was through diplomacy and the u. s. as rejected diplomacy. and i'll add one more contradiction. the united states recently said that they had concern about china having a military basis in the solomons,
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ireland said they wouldn't rule out a military assault on the solomon's island, the united states group drew a red line, 7391 miles from there sure, that included a possible military response, but the russians can't draw a red line, 1000000000 of a millimeter from their border, which is, which is, which is ukraine. again, the contradictions about, all right? we have one minute left. i want to give it to bruce. go ahead, chris. well, actually, i think, you know, daniel was right. i mean, there was, the invasion of ukraine was stopped on the, you know, near queue. but i also think that both of my colleagues are right, we don't know where this is going, it is only the 1st quarter. and that's a frightening aspect because i do think that russia for now does sort of have an edge in the southern and eastern parts of ukraine. i would like to see diplomacy,
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but i think it's going to require russia to withdraw from portions of ukraine that it, it's recently invaded, but i'm all for diplomacy. yeah, i wish i wish that when i was, i wish the i wish the west we're interested in diplomacy because if they don't gentlemen, there might not be a ukraine at the end of the day at the end of all this. and i think that's a growing likelihood. unfortunately, diplomacy is the only way and no one in the west is talking about it. unfortunately, gentlemen, that's all the time we have want to take my guess in washington, new york and philadelphia. i want to thank our viewers for watching us here to see you next time, remember ah, ah ah,
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