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sanctions on russia or mr. rating. western consumers in brussels refuses to acknowledge your can replace russian energy imports. anytime soon on top of this, nato doubles down on strategy, it is only yielded disaster. are there any adults in the role? ah, to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by them. i guess. george said, well, we in budapest, he's the guy which can be found on youtube and locals. and here in moscow we have to meet the bob. she's a political analyst and editor. you know, it's me, internet media for a gentleman crossed up rules and that means been just me. i want and i was just kicking off with george and budapest. it's been somewhat, been a very exciting week. i would say, george, i mean, i believe a circus because that's what it was. so they, a new strategy came out of nato,

which you and i discussed. the venue would quite leg didn't make a whole lot of sense to me. but one thing that's very clear is that g 7, e, you, nato, they are essentially one. now there is been a complete fusion. and nato appears to be taking the lead, which of course is the back for, for the us to run all 3. and this is what i got from their new strategic concept, which has no original thinking and falls back on this gobbledygook. values are nonsense here, so it is a circus. it's, they're talking to themselves. they're not communicating. essentially what they claimed on the longest projects ability to map back doubling down what is already failed. your thoughts are the right know, summary. i mean they call it a new strategic concept. i mean there's nothing, nothing strategic, nothing conceptual about it. so since 1991,

we loan that nato had no purpose for existing associate, constantly inventing new reasons to exist as own, you know, we've had the humana in intervention, preventing massive processes. then we have the war on terror. and then we've had all sorts of other things like the wolf, women, and so on. so this is now they've invented a new concept which is indefinite expansion. because if you expanding in definitely, sooner or later, you are going to get into an awful lot of trouble with the move a lot of states with like you expanding into the neighborhood. and then of course, that cell becomes a reason for nato to go on the existing. so one of the talk now is a civic. so even though pacific is a, is it that they can they use in the nato domain?

we don't exactly know. one thing in the pacific really means it's, it's kind of a, a very preoccupied with really defining what eastern ball consists because western book and sounds a lot better. but what is it? well then now it, it sounds like they want to persuade india to join nato against china, which a civic is last really problem that here they do is create the enemy. and what does it know? it's moving into the, and in this neighborhood provoking inevitable reaction. and then they don't look at how important we are for global stability. so give me your thoughts here because again, we the mentor is, nigel is a defensive alliance. but why alliances? defensive, why does it need to expand it as it expands and creates animosity in the areas that

is expanding to witness your brain demo? your thoughts? oh, well, let me 1st, let's just remember how to do the nate leadership about this expansion about finland, sweden becoming a new members. you know that they're planning to become members, but the decisions that they can take a sections and remember how young wouldn't wanted let. so need to get more of nato and we'll just destroy the disagreements inside. just tell you which disagreements. i mean, nato was nameless, in florida, in the nato was neighbors even though on been destroying

it even longer. it's really cheap ways leave. why, you know, the result and, and the destruction of the country, you know, basically the civil war there. so tell me, where is this you disagree? you know, mr. mr. or just object to some of the new venues or the european union. and he was demonized, if you read the western press, honda and more are some very vicious, you know, almost alien forces you know, reach out and everything that is good. and you're seeing that because these people are just 2 or 3, you know, 2 or 3 points. it used to, well, so good is absolutely right. the navy is creating a mess and it expands, and then it also says, oh, the enemy is so good about all disagreements that we should crush you. so you know

that the latest, the latest idea is that there should be no consensus, you know, about military action, which i think is a very dangerous thing because then they go, b will get they can anyone who is not like the states and all the pay so basically, you know, it's the same, i'm sorry, is the same evolution. the germany made between 1940 is getting more and more area is more and more aggressive and destroying disagreements inside it because they don't around it. so it's interesting the point that out, and i think there is a difference here. george is that until we, we remember, you know, that, you know, we're not alliance. it's not directed against anyone. you all this nonsense. well, now it is ok. they've taken the basketball, russia, china,

and this is what, this is what they want to galvanized the reliance, which is it's pretty bad. i mean, one of the things that these big compounds i've noticed is that this isn't a week conversation. they don't really see further down, you know, it's, it's, it's these people that they feel that they're the mandarins of the universe and that they're so very important. but i can tell you, looking in the asian press, ok, you know, the, the g 7 needs. so what the brussels makes it so what i mean, they have an oversized sense of themselves on the world stage. and, and what did, what many people say is that, you know, they're isolating themselves by directing all of their own focus on russia. and we heard last week now, johnny george. that's exactly right. and that's very interesting. that during the, in the announcing the strategic process, they several times

a repeated every country has the right to determine its own future. that's what made to say, no, no, no, some countries allow yeah. but the interesting thing is that everything that nato does is to close. so the countries, i mean, i spent all that time going around the world telling india, oh, you have to join us and demonizing and sanctioning russia, even though it has nothing whatever to do with the goes against your, your foreign policy goes against your national interest. it goes against your tradition, but you have to join up and they were doing that even to china a little bit during the g 7, the last statement, they say, i have to join us to start enabling russia. so here is a, yeah, everyone has to determine their own future except those who don't determine their future along. ok. so once again, it's like you're

a right to join us. you don't have a right not to join us a, as the case with earlier in bytes, russian foreign minister to come and visit a lie over our space. so with, so the, as a future. so that again, you know, the nature of which is we know we create these enemies. and that's interesting is not nothing in the strategic concept about cooperation that a go, that's exactly it will be going to do on this. you know exactly where i want to go look at this strategic concept that big, i think was last, it was in 2000. and then we have events playing out on the european conduct right now that they can reference the claim. that one word of that a resolve and in that conflict, not one word. ok. so what is the, what is the defense of military alliance all about ok if they're not going to talk

about peace in their own neighborhood. and of course, the argument has been made and i'll be, it's the argument that the russians have made is that at the very core of this problem is nato expansion. no addressing that issue whatsoever. i had a ration. but also when lead to semi states that you don't, i don't know is how and so now i can again, i mean, we may be some security, i just want, let you know, i think you discussed that with joe, you know, this is a nato seems to you know, come on, you know, a, well, if you're a woman and then you have to have your own military get,

you are fully invested in the, on the, on the can, you for its own purposes, a nurse. so this is women, peace and security. this is the symbol. oh no, they just spreading. i make it george and i, we were they, we didn't along the video on this on the gap, which i urge everyone to look at. and we were trying to figure out why those 3 words worked together. maybe like, less than that, i mean the in general, correct. if i'm wrong, there's something wrong with more than less than one. so it's like, for women in the united states, you know, you know, affordable a women my address, you know, even people at the battle field. this is all very well. right. but they always

forget about iraq. there's you, people talk about, we was right, you know, you companies, but we do have a for the department here. and this is the main point. maybe this is a situation where more interesting, you mentioned that sort of quickly here. i mean, this is one of the most irritating things in this document is the word values. give me 30 seconds where we go to the break. but i think is the actual document is 11 pages long, and the word values comes up a 70 times. so everything is really about it's bad use that already specifies what these values are. you know, so it's assume that there you go mother an apple pie and all that, all those things, both in a drawing women and sending them out. and it's like, it's like, well it's very fluid,

it values what we think at the time, a gentleman, a company, we're going to restore, breaking up a discussion to really say, oh ah, lou needs to come to the russian state. little narrative. i've side as i phone and the most landscape diva. mm hm. not ingles, house, lots of medical benefits with abilene. okay. so mine is 2000 speedy. when else about with we will van in the european union, the kremlin. yup. machines. the state aunt rush up to date and school r t spoke neck. even our video agency,

roughly all band on youtube with the question. did you think even close with me? a welcome. as were all things are considered ideal labelle. this is the home addition remind you were discussing some real ah was go back to here in moscow demand, i guess what is it $803000000.00 more dollars that i

losing out how much money is being sent there as well over 50 percent of what russian spent on defense a year when it was a very you said some interesting stories coming out. and something that we've projected here is some of the high tech stuff that the u. s. and sending very expensive, a missile defense related to missile defense and whatnot. there were some reports that it's landing, other hands, it's being sold on the black market. i knew this was going to happen if it isn't true back to we need more cooperation. but the stories are beginning to circulate. so not only is the conflict in the ukraine, not winding down, and that's, that's craven choice on the side of the west. and zalinski backers. but now we have very sophisticated, very expensive um,

military hardware floating around in the 3rd parties. what could possibly go wrong? the month ahead. well, the most challenging part of it is that the s, russian troops, bush, the ukraine troops away, you know, the distance from their russian speaking areas. you know that megan or the east of the country such as the nav and gun. and you the song song unfortunately, americans off wine, long distance. well switch make it possible for the ring and on it to strike north all day at the sieges. oh, so just i, you know, on, on saturday the struck a bill which is a rush and see 5 people in the center in the downtown. so in fact, these battles make this work more dangerous. you know, i have a friend who's ukrainian beliefs here, you know, he became a russian citizen,

but he will a sympathize with your brain and he's wrong here so. so he's family, they all a boy with a russian citizenship when the russian. and i asked him, ok, personal is probably going to become a russian. does your family wasn't. she said yes. i said why, why don't you settle for a middle so like household people's republic like there should know, this is not going to work for us. we want to full protection. i mean, what is you know, a situation. ok, so we want to be bought to rush because it means security. ukraine resume is terrible. we're ready to put up with that for some time if there is whole, but that, but we don't want to leave like the people in dos during these 8 years when they were not russian teachers. they were born by the brain on this situation between the 2 fires is the worst. so this explains

a rush of actions. and the problem with these american weapons is that they make these great zone been russia and ukraine. the zone of course, the threat was high, must strike at the distance of 300 kilometers, which is about 200 miles more than 200 miles. this is a huge distance and you are right. some of these, my post do disappear. i change my american police, you know, the american, just look at your own newspaper. look at that in mind is thousands of 1000 how maybe green weapons off in here in iraq. you know, i see the bill, lord of war, and that's what it's all about. and so great bill, george, this is something you talked about and you're probably one of the 1st actually to talk about it. what is it? what does the kind of tell us what dinner was saying?

this good can't be any, have measures at this point. it has to be a total inclusive deal and it will be dictated by. 5 the russian side at this point. ok. because the most after it, you know, this kind of 5050 gray area. no, that's not acceptable too much. it's not been too much, has been spent too many people have died too much, but this cannot happen again that and that's what the solution of this conflict is going to be a total solution. thoughts yet a has to the total solution because whatever a original intentions may have been on february, this might be full, which was essentially just to liberate a gas. and then, you know, just leave it, leave it there. i don't think that's the solution now because the americans specially but also the british and the rest of nature. they want to keep boring in ever more sophisticated and dangerous weapons. you brent,

they're going to encourage zaleski and he's gang to gong fighting this war. so there's no point, i just have to say that we've done, we've achieved our objectives because i won't have achieved this because as long as they keep loving these mist and you know, the yeah. 1 on saturday, they are the hit targets inside washer when they specifically promised the americans and the americans told the public, oh no, no the we haven't a, they were going to do this and we know that they have to target crimea. i mean, i'm already said that they go to target crimea a going to keep doing this, and the americans are going to another, they going to keep doing this. and they think that this is the way to bring russia down by essentially keeping this will going and humiliating and eventually be russia. so i just thought

a rush of them has to essentially take over the rest of the country and remove the people from power. you know, whoever they bring somebody else and with bringing back, you know, which they can allow these people to say it's, it's interesting to say that because there was a western and i want to just western poll opinion will conduct inside of your grade last few days. and a 50 percent of the paintings when they're their own government, as well as russia be fair, but claimed their own government for the state that they did the following them. it's very interesting, i can remember places like responsible state crowns and all that say your grade is one of the war, although your grades are completely uniting. and, you know, i think that will have to be scrub some point because it's so embarrassing because the problem. so much with western coverage of ukraine, even before the conflict that it's

a very complicated and one united country. and we're seeing this here. i have called what's going on in ukraine, also a civil war. and i think a lot of people, you've already alluded to it how people in different cities of ukraine, only ukrainian. but when something like this happens, they want a total solution. they don't want to have this kind of growing floor that ukraine has been sense. it's independence, go ahead and just for, and mary goes from the standpoint all, imagine that some kind of a very american gama tape all in canada and with all the u. s. news in canada. yeah, i'm french watch them. you know, of course, there will be a lot of people who if war happen. so if there is a chance, because teach them below that a, you know,

the same story with christina russian books right now in odessa, it is refusing to give children russian education, which is why he became english in your case, educational english in your range. and you already and this has been going on for 8 years and the late this has been the one all for 30 years. and you're absolutely right about the new spoke to asians over there. well, i mean the west and probably has been saying, oh, what is plans? i will see, you know, his vision was all the american there idea was that there will be a good read all i mean the last, but there will be a good one instructional that there's nothing all there. so you bring an army is resisting. right? that's true. but there is which russian army, if you could, there is no group,

sometimes the keel, the russian official, you know, the ukrainian groups, special forces groups the ball cause, you know, usually there is, there is no very war. why? because people on wall a lady to the, to the new are just, are really starting to really war a, the people on the ground. that's one thing. but george president by said, you know, when asked about high energy crisis against me. and you know, and of course, you know what the western publics are going to have to suffer. and he says it is long as it takes. well, i think that you know, that time frame all of the, all of the nato combat, i think it was a, it was ray mcgovern at 330 blind mice, which i think even it was

a really good way to put it here. i don't think they have, they actually speak for people on the ground and have to pay such high energy prices. and i think they're all read the day for their bombastic, emotional xpo say, when i go in completely disregarding the interests of their own people go ahead completely. and some of the other day they had this why house official was interviewed on c. and then it was off this very question, what price we've been to pay and we have to pay, you know, whatever price it takes for the liberal liberal. well, no, no. so we, i mean, it doesn't matter. you don't have any food on the table. you don't have any gas when you're trying to get to work. the live room won't order, and that's really, you know, yes, it is blotted out the true,

which is that this isn't the least war. it's all about their goals. they use you great, very cynically. you know, essentially destroy russia now eventually, destroy china has to dominate the want. they don't care about it, but i know they're, they're always the lead. this is a leading to disaster. you know, the germans a screening, you know, a well, you know, a moment ago you were, you was saying that you were going to basically come to some of them all. you know, i just got here and i'll ended, i went to say to both you and you are, you are the people that want to defend the liberal world order. they don't know what a loaf of bread. they don't know what a leader of gasoline they don't know how much electricity they don't care because

it doesn't affect them. that is the water ok in the protection at the expense of everyone else. that's the end of my speech. amanda barbara a thank you for watching us here. ah. ah, a ah. a little

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